What unusual things are attractive to you in a partner?
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All the emotions she mentioned that she likes in men are positive emotions ie. "loves animals, children and cute things ; and even more, who values empathy, altruism, feelings" - this isn't the same as showing weakness: emotions like expressing sadness, opening up about anxieties, fear ...etc.
Culture and media encourages men to express emotions related romance and power, but not weakeness.
She talked unfavorably about crying and fragility in men for instance.
MissAlgernon, your boyfriend is wise , he figured out exactly what I have figured out - how often he expressed his weaknesses after you told him that? Did something change?
So then it would make sense to ask for clarification before jumping on the assumptions and even telling them they're lying based on simple pre-conceived notions you have. But from her most recent post that specifics more I definitely get the impression that shes not intolerant of a guy expressing sadness or anxieties and fears, quite the contrary actually.
And she specified 'crying all the time' even you said that sounded like it would be problematic. I mean at best it was maybe redundant since people probably wouldn't think by sensitive she meant someone who cries all the time...I don't think it meant she only likes if guys express sensitivity about positive things.
Is there a human who cries all the time, Sweatleaf? Does such man exist? (even those with clinicsl depression don't cry all time), is it something common?
Taking this literally would reflect a comical character that exists only in fictional comedy; so anyone saying that certainly doesn't mean it literally.
Yes hence why I think it was redundant to add the bit about crying all the time, I don't think its proof she must dislike guys who express sad, worried/anxious or depressed feelings...looked like general aspie redundancy(like how we sometimes over-word things or include unnessisary details/explinations) and you appear to have read way too much into it. Especially when everything else they posted implies your assumptions are wrong.
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All the emotions she mentioned that she likes in men are positive emotions ie. "loves animals, children and cute things ; and even more, who values empathy, altruism, feelings" - this isn't the same as showing weakness: emotions like expressing sadness, opening up about anxieties, fear ...etc
She talked unfavorably about crying and fragility in men for instance.
MissAlgernon, your boyfriend is wise , he figured out exactly what I have figured out - how often he expressed his weaknesses after you told him that? Did something change?
Not much more. On the contrary, I told him that it would make communication between us easier if he expressed his emotions a bit more, as I said on a previous post.
BUT as I said before, what I find attractive isn't as much men who openly express their emotions as much as men who don't try to actively repress their emotions to desperately try to become sociopaths like society dictates them to. Men who know that their emotions are something important and who don't try to make them shameful. And being proud to have emotions is a good thing. Yes, even negative emotions.
We both have faced chronic depression problems. Do you think that if I were so intolerant of negative emotions, I'd desire to spend the rest of my life with a man who I've always known has regularly been victim of depression episodes just like me ?
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The thing is, where do you think you boyfriend learned that "I don't want to show my emotions too much, like crying and those sort of things, because others don't like it and view it as effeminate".?
It not only because of the upbringing by his father/uncles...etc, it is also based on experiences; I bet that him, experienced that in order to come out with a such conclusion, like for example every time he showed weakness emotions, it got him a negative outcome- you can ask him.
We boys learn from a very young age, that crying at school for instance, would only attract more bullies there and would make them harsher- and it's true.
I thought that women would generally be more different, and way less likely to believe that "men must always be strong, never showing weakeness" - but my serial recent experiences show me they aren't; it is obvious that both boys and girls get raised on the idea that "boys has to be strong and never weak" - and would find it alien otherwise.
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He certainly thinks so. Of course I also think I am very lucky to be with him because I cannot even imagine a better boyfriend.
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As I said on a previous post, I was raised that way too, "life is a jungle", "don't show your emotions, they make you weak", and all. And I was bullied, and taught that emotions are bad. But in the same time, that state of mind contributed to making my life much unhappier than it should be and having horrible intimacy issues. It's horribly destructive to suppress emotions, it's frankly monstrous from parents to teach that. Does it make you a superior being to suppress emotions, no, you just end up hurting yourself and others too (my experience, I've seen that many times around me), which is why I could never want a partner without strong feelings. People who don't suppress their emotions have more kindness, and they aren't bullies. Between raising kids like future sociopaths with telling them that being like sociopaths makes them superior to others, and raising kids with "emotions are good, it's OK to cry and to love, be nice to your classmates", what's the best option, what's the key to happiness and kindness ?
@ Sweetleaf : just thank you
To change topic, the man I love is quite overweight and I'm not overweight at all Weight isn't a factor to me in love, although a healthy lifestyle is important, but healthy lifestyle and weight don't always go together...
^Thank you. I've been trying to tell people that for a long time.
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I thought that women would generally be more different, and way less likely to believe that "men must always be strong, never showing weakeness" - but my serial recent experiences show me they aren't; it is obvious that both boys and girls get raised on the idea that "boys has to be strong and never weak" - and would find it alien otherwise.
Alright well unless you have attempted to date every single woman on the planet and been rejected on the basis of showing weakness, you have no room to claim that we all think 'men must always be strong and never show weakness' or that we must be lying if we say we don't think that.
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I like guys with straight hair as long as they don't have bangs. I have no preference as far as length goes. What's even nicer is brown or green eyes.
He has to be fit enough to exercise and go on walks with me. I know I'm not skinny but I love counting calories and exercise.
I'm not sure these are unusual, though.
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Now to be more on topic....I would say an unusual thing I find attractive about my boyfriend is his big red beard, and how it looks with his blonde hair I guess blonde and red hair together are nice to look at. Though I don't know if that would really be considered an 'unusual' thing to be attracted to since it seems beards are gaining popularity. I feel back in the 90's and early 00's it may have been seen as an odd thing to find attractive though, since it seemed to be all about clean shaven or minimal facial hair.
Actually come to think of it I do have a more unusual one, I also like all his freckles....I assume that could be unusual since I myself remember a few incidents of being made fun of for freckles on my face, so I've had the impression they aren't usually a trait people are too crazy about. It's interesting though most of mine are on my face with a few random ones elsewhere whereas my boyfriend has most on his upper body and only a couple on his face.
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I thought that women would generally be more different, and way less likely to believe that "men must always be strong, never showing weakeness" - but my serial recent experiences show me they aren't; it is obvious that both boys and girls get raised on the idea that "boys has to be strong and never weak" - and would find it alien otherwise.
Alright well unless you have attempted to date every single woman on the planet and been rejected on the basis of showing weakness, you have no room to claim that we all think 'men must always be strong and never show weakness' or that we must be lying if we say we don't think that.
I am starting to believe that you purposely ignore the "generally", "a lot" and "most" part of the sentences just for the sake of arguing and drama.
Nice try :p.
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Nice try :p.
My goodness you did include generally in your post...but no it wasn't on purpose I read the wording wrong.
However, I wouldn't be so quick to assume your generalizing us all if you didn't often accuse females here of lying whenever they express preferences or opinions of males that don't coincide with your generalizations about what women generally think.
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Last edited by Sweetleaf on 10 Mar 2016, 2:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
In fact, the moment a man shows a weakness or a vulnerability ie. crying, he gets scorned and get labeled crybaby or whiner by women. I see women in general as being very intolerant toward men's expressions of weakness, they expect men to show positive feelings all the time (like the one you mentioned, loving animals..etc but never weakness).
In my experience, every time I talk about some insecurity to a woman (whether female friend or FWB or whatever) I get dismissed by it and she would be like "be confident" , "it's in your head"..etc. Always very dismissive. Every time I regret opening my mouth about it.
Most of you want the typical manly men showing no weakness and no insecurity, stop lying to yourselves....
I understand that you've noticed that there's women that like manly men, but please don't accuse them of lying when they say they don't. You don't know me or anyone else in here that said they don't like manly men, so you have no room to accuse them of lying. I don't appreciate you calling me or anyone else in this thread a liar based on what you've noticed in your life. Please stop making comments like this. I understand it's freedom of speech on this forum, but all you're doing is causing trouble.
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