aside from sperm, what good are men?

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Paragraphs might help kiddo. Don't blame other people for not understanding your incoherent rant. Break things up into main points and make it readable, then you might get people picking up on the points you are actually making.

Also, this trope about women doing nothing while men parade themselves like peacocks and pander to women so they can get selected is rubbish.

Women have to do something too. If they sit around doing nothing, never going out and never talking to anyone, they aren't going to even have one guy to choose from.

You don't move in female circles let alone have single female friends who tell you how they really feel, so you cannot tell us with accuracy how it is for women.

The bottom line for everyone here is that our social skills are a bit off. We don't interact with the rest of the world like the majority of people do.

We can start a million threads about external factors or blame the opposite sex, but the bottom line will always be autism.

Doesnt make us lesser, it just makes things more difficult and makes it harder to find someone to relate to, someone to click with.

i was once in a bar having dinner and chatting to an associate (male), and eventually, 2 tables merged with mine (due to trivia night proceedings getting underway), and i found myself being berated by a hairy legged feminist who remarked that i seemed arrogant and self assured, and she just was argumentative and said "typical male" etc to whatever i said, and i asked her what she had against males, and she said "they are so unnecessary" and proceeded to tell me that women lived longer and were more compassionate and nurturing and peaceful and other things, and she said that "males are a biological failure".

i was forced into a hostile state of mind toward her and so i reasoned an argument to return to her, and it went this way:

"males are very much more responsible for the genetic content of the earths population than females are"

her: oh really? what a dumb statement....
me: well a male can theoretically ejaculate into 5 different women every day, and if 50% of the women get pregnant and have a baby, then you have 2.5 offspring per day produced by a male from the age of 15 to 80. 365*2.5*65 is nearly 60,000 offspring. a female can have 1 baby every 9 months from the age of 12 to the age of about 50, to that is 38 *.75 which is just 29 people.
her: how ridiculous is that?
me: yes i know, but i am not ridiculing it. genghis khan apparently has his genes in one of every 200 people on earth right now. what woman could ever claim that much influence over the history of the world?

Well the trouble is if you clearly don't fit into the typical female gender role its not forgiving at all, in my experience. Granted if anything it's improved in some ways since I've gotten older and am not stuck at public school around a bunch of social expectations and social pressure. Though I am concerned it will get in the way of work, if I get off of SSI...I mean a lot of the jobs people say a women can easily get, they mean a typical, confident women who knows how to do her make up and hair and look pretty for the customer or whatever. Not an androgynous, metalhead chick who has trouble with social interaction and doesn't know how to be 'fashionable' or whatever.

And I don't know if it would have been any easier or harder if I was male....that is too much of an if, hard to really imagine me as a guy trying to get a relationship.

Yeah she sure sounds compassionate, nurturing and peaceful.....not.

oh well i enjoyed her company none the less. she was challenging in a puzzling type of way. as well, her character is just 1 of 3.5 billion women's characters, as is everyone's character (relative to the total of their gender on earth).

I don't want to get into an argument about who has it worse, I've found a lot of your posts relateable which is why I remembered them in the first place. All I'm going to say is that male and female gender roles are both particularly hostile to men on the spectrum given what people's expectations are. Society in general is much more accepting of women that do not fit gender roles than men, that's just the truth and gender roles entail much more than just type of dress and your interests but rather things who initiates the relationship and who is the breadwinner and whether or not you are dating up or dating down and just how you interact with other people altogether. Men are expected to chase, make strong eye contact, strong handshakes, be able to provide & protect, all on top of being an "interesting fun guy", it all has an air of competition. Am I perceiving things wrongly? I don't think too many women are interested in 25 year old unemployed disabled depressed men that can't drive or do much of anything.

the perception of "acceptance" is all in the mind of the beholder really.
i have not got a collection of rat's bottoms, and so i have none to give away.

what is this supposed to mean?

it means that one's perception that they are understood is fallible, and it also means that i could not give a rat's arse whether anyone else approves of what i think.

and this was in response to me why

because you asked a question. whatever.

The majority of what you mentioned involves "getting laid."

However, the difficulty of an individual's life is determined by more factors than whether or not they can get laid.

I'm not going to argue about the differences either, but I think that what you wrote here is a cold, hard truth.

"Air of comepetition" sounds a bit too dramatic though, but I'm not going to argue semantics.

Yes, most women expect the man to make a move, organise a date, ask for a phone number. If she likes him and he doesn't do any of these things, she feels like he's not interested and she gets hurt.

If you've been told your whole life that men will show you that they like you, then that's what you expect. If you've experienced men behaving that way, you'll expect other men to behave that way if they like you. The quiet one who doesn't talk to you will be read as "not interested" and will be overlooked unless she's got the guts to make an effort herself and draw him out. But that takes a really strong woman.

On both sides men and women don't want to make a fool of themselves chasing someone who isn't interested. No one wants to get hurt if they can avoid it.

There's also the fact that if you are an independent woman, you aren't going to want a dependent man. If I found out a man was unemployed long term I'd probably question his executive functioning. I find life difficult enough. I don't want to have to remind someone to do basic things around the house or to go and pay a bill on time and that sort of thing. I've seen people in relationships like that and they are not happy. They stick it out because they do love the guy, but they are frustrated and depressed and stressed. Therapists tell them to leave for the sake of their own sanity, but they stay because they love the guy. Actually one did leave and she's with someone she's much happier with, the other 3 have stayed.

I'm lonely on my own, but not so lonely that I want to add more stress to my life by living with a dependent man.

If I ever do have a relationship where I'm living with someone I want them to be at least as responsible as me.

what is "getting laid", outside the perspective of a brick.
getting laid in a foundation,
what is "getting laid" except form a chickens story of gestation, and an eggs description of how it felt when it was expelled from the vagina of it's mother.
doesn't rhyme whatever



i do not care whether i am right or wrong,

Many active WP members live in an ideal super-egalitarian world that it does not exist...and will tell unrealistic stuff.

Wake up, hurtloam is telling you concrete things. Gender differences and gender-based expectations are still very clear and pre-defined.

b9 I love your comments