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Racism. This woman (or man) is racist in some form.
Please do not consider it as a personal attack against anyone - this is just my individual thought.
This is a good article; it': about gay dating - but also relevant for straights:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... acism.html
I absolutely accept yours. Because it is your right and when it comes down to it your opinion of me means nothing to me...
However, I will argue of I feel someone is forming their opinions on flawed or forced logic... and I feel anyone making this claim is.
Firstly, were in social world that amounts to racial McCarthyism. (McCarthiesm was an American period where there was a pronounced anti-communist paranoia and there was an active witch hunt to find 'reds', just a refernce, this phenomena evidently holds true around the world as the thought police close in)
In this, people who are viewed as 'anti-racist' are commended and viewed as forward thinking, modern and well educated. So people are quick to jump pn that bandwagon. Even if they feel the opposite? What better way to prove to the rest of the hive that your not 'racist' then to librally go around accusing everyone and everything with any racial tone as racist. In my opinion people with this view have been conditioned to have it. Pointing out how racist evrything is without using common sense to adhere to a group think mentality is a cleat indiction to me. I simply cannot imagine how ones sexual preferences can be racist... by no doubt the same people that would chastize me if I said I thought it was wrong to be gay. 'People are born with their sexual attraction' those people will say constantly... and im not arguing or confirming that idea myself, but the point is you cant have it both ways to accuse others of prejudice...
Either you believe sexual attraction is innate or you dont. This would then apply to races as well. Or you're just picking and choosing. Which is your right as well. People have inconsistent views. We all do. But in the interest of discussion, I think ita important for you to recognize the hypocrisy of this argument.
If I recall correctly, you have expressed in past discussions the strong preference for not dating overweight women. Maybe Im recalling incorrectly, but I could have sworn we once had a discussion on this as I am, as some know, very attracted to chubby girls. I love think women. Thin or athletic ones are generally not as attractive to me either...
But if you, in fact, have this preference, should I not then accuse you of being bigoted against overweight people?
Also Ill say that, in my opinion, if one can say theyre attracted to every race, they are desperate and forcing the issue. Animal, mineral, or vegetable... Or they really sohave a preference but will not admit it openly. Which to me is shameful.
As far as that 'study' so many of these things make me laugh... its so easy tocthrow around claims backed by some bogus survey that perhaps never even happened. Whenevet I hear 'survey/numbers/study confirms' I am skeptical. All these things are conducted with intent to draw certain conclusions, and designed as such.
I am not attacking you or your view, but I am challenging it. I am one of the few people here that can do this without taking it or making it personal. Just to be clear. I reapect anyones views, but I will voice my opposition in a reasonable way.
1- Weight often reflect a certain lifestyle... it is manageable and controllable in most cases, skin color is not. A chubby person can turn to non-chubby person.
2- I don't know why you people keep comparing Sexual orientation to radical racial preference in dating (ie. no blacks please). From what I know, there are real biological and evolutionary reasons why to be attracted to the opposite sex (and to the same sex or both for some variants), but I can't think of any innate biological and evolutionary reasons for not being capable to be attracted for example to any black girl or asian girl or any other ethnic - I am emphasizing on the word any.
Biologically...we are the same species... And we are equipped to reproduce with other humans of any color.
There's no significant genetic and biological differences between white women, black women and any other X women.
Some of you are talking as if the "females" of other "race" are some females of some other primate species and therefore it's impossible to be attracted to any member of them.
and that's my dear, I believe it's a byproduct of racism.
Boo, one of the reasons you may receive a lot of racial discrimination in dating is because you are middle eastern.
It is commonly known that Indian Men do bad in dating in western countries, through no fault of their own.
Unfortunately I have noticed in my experiences middle eastern and west Asian people are considered one of the most undesirable by white people in the world.
Though I'm sure you already know that.
There IS also a lot of non-dating related racism against middle easterners, especially here.
I'm not sure what you're cousins have told you, but Australia is actually a very racist country despite the belief we're a 'multicultural' and 'accepting' nation (B.S.) and it's middle-eastern people that get it the worst.
They are instantly associated with ISIS by ignorant bogans (aussie rednecks) and that all 'boat people' (immigrants) are secretly spies and terrorists who want to take all the jobs, land and take over the country.
I think one of the key things about dating and race that should be said is this:
Someone may reject someone not because of what race they look, but because of the stereotypes associated with that race.
I've heard a lot of negative stereotypes about Indian men, that they are misogynistic, unhygienic, disrespectful to their women and 'stupid' for 'worshipping cows'.
There's no real way to do surveys without people lying, but really, how many people do you think are rejected in online dating not because of their race, but because of the stereotypes of that race?
It does. I wouldn't deny being racist if I was because it's not really such a terrible thing to me in the extreme way that it's labeled today. I just seek to understand the logic. I think a certain part of what is called 'racism' today is actually normal. So if I didn't want to date a non-white for racist reasons, I'd have zero hesitation to say so. I honestly dont understand how anyone can say it doesn't make a difference aesthetically to what they find attractive. Features, skin tone, hair, body shape all have distinct differences across races. And if we're talking physical attraction, we're only looking at someone's body, face, skin etc...
I think the point of posting 'no blacks/asians etc' would give a wrong impression as this thread proves, thus being counterproductive, it's also honest.
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I still think it's totally OK to say despite the current debate about it.
I live in a VERY multicultural city. One of the most mixed in the World. I've read countless personal ads over the years. It's very common for them to say things like "white++" or "asian for asian" or "white for asian" or "seeking black" or "not into ei" or "white/asian no brown" or "no asians" or "open to all" or "all races welcome" etc. This is especially true of "hookup" ads vs. ads for dates and long term relationships as when people are hooking up it's pretty much based purely on physical attraction, but it's in regular dating ad language, too. It's more common for people to list their preference(s) than it is to list ones they're not attracted to. Some list both. Then there are those of us with preferences we simply don't list so as not to fan the flames of debate and then we simply don't reply to emails we're not interested in.
I think it's one of those "it is what it is things," and people just need to accept that some people have racial preferences as to who they would hookup with or date, and others don't, but it just is what it is for each individual so stating it in an ad is effective, efficient, communication.
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Don't worry, by all means I support the idea of people having racial preferences.
Also, we have a right to reject anyone for any means we see fit, even if we were racist (of which most people with racial preferences are not, but a minority may be).
When I say this, I mean we even have the right to reject someone if we believe the stereotypes of their race.
Many people do this anyway, it's not going to change their minds by shaming them for it.
But then again, sometimes there's a line on what we can/should judge others for doing and what we shouldn't.
A common line usually said by social and cultural norms is, if it's not hurting anyone, they have every right to do it.
Rejecting someone due to having racial preferences or out of genuine racism against the person because you believe their race is inferior, of which the two are both MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, do not bring harm to another person because most people don't find out why they get rejected and by not messaging/replying to someone on online dating you don't technically try to directly hurt them in the first place.
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I live in a VERY multicultural city. One of the most mixed in the World. I've read countless personal ads over the years. It's very common for them to say things like "white++" or "asian for asian" or "white for asian" or "seeking black" or "not into ei" or "white/asian no brown" or "no asians" or "open to all" or "all races welcome" etc. This is especially true of "hookup" ads vs. ads for dates and long term relationships as when people are hooking up it's pretty much based purely on physical attraction, but it's in regular dating ad language, too. It's more common for people to list their preference(s) than it is to list ones they're not attracted to. Some list both. Then there are those of us with preferences we simply don't list so as not to fan the flames of debate and then we simply don't reply to emails we're not interested in.
I think it's one of those "it is what it is things," and people just need to accept that some people have racial preferences as to who they would hookup with or date, and others don't, but it just is what it is for each individual so stating it in an ad is effective, efficient, communication.
Now, I am gonna spit it out: you see by far more ads "no blacks"/ "no Asians" / "no Indians" /" No Arabs" by Whites, than "No Whites" by whites and non-whites alike.
I don't even remember I have ever seen a single "no whites please" in a hookup/dating ad ever.
And that's due to a long historical "White supremacy" attitude - there's a correlation there and it's not a coincidence.
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It is commonly known that Indian Men do bad in dating in western countries, through no fault of their own.
Unfortunately I have noticed in my experiences middle eastern and west Asian people are considered one of the most undesirable by white people in the world.
Though I'm sure you already know that.
There IS also a lot of non-dating related racism against middle easterners, especially here.
I'm not sure what you're cousins have told you, but Australia is actually a very racist country despite the belief we're a 'multicultural' and 'accepting' nation (B.S.) and it's middle-eastern people that get it the worst.
They are instantly associated with ISIS by ignorant bogans (aussie rednecks) and that all 'boat people' (immigrants) are secretly spies and terrorists who want to take all the jobs, land and take over the country.
I think one of the key things about dating and race that should be said is this:
Someone may reject someone not because of what race they look, but because of the stereotypes associated with that race.
I've heard a lot of negative stereotypes about Indian men, that they are misogynistic, unhygienic, disrespectful to their women and 'stupid' for 'worshipping cows'.
There's no real way to do surveys without people lying, but really, how many people do you think are rejected in online dating not because of their race, but because of the stereotypes of that race?
That was long before any ISIS.
According to old stats from okc, (East)Asian men are the most undesirable by white women - and Black women are the most undesirable by white men. I am sure Middle easterns are on the most undesirable list now.
Racism. This woman (or man) is racist in some form.
Please do not consider it as a personal attack against anyone - this is just my individual thought.
This is a good article; it': about gay dating - but also relevant for straights:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... acism.html
I absolutely accept yours. Because it is your right and when it comes down to it your opinion of me means nothing to me...
However, I will argue of I feel someone is forming their opinions on flawed or forced logic... and I feel anyone making this claim is.
Firstly, were in social world that amounts to racial McCarthyism. (McCarthiesm was an American period where there was a pronounced anti-communist paranoia and there was an active witch hunt to find 'reds', just a refernce, this phenomena evidently holds true around the world as the thought police close in)
In this, people who are viewed as 'anti-racist' are commended and viewed as forward thinking, modern and well educated. So people are quick to jump pn that bandwagon. Even if they feel the opposite? What better way to prove to the rest of the hive that your not 'racist' then to librally go around accusing everyone and everything with any racial tone as racist. In my opinion people with this view have been conditioned to have it. Pointing out how racist evrything is without using common sense to adhere to a group think mentality is a cleat indiction to me. I simply cannot imagine how ones sexual preferences can be racist... by no doubt the same people that would chastize me if I said I thought it was wrong to be gay. 'People are born with their sexual attraction' those people will say constantly... and im not arguing or confirming that idea myself, but the point is you cant have it both ways to accuse others of prejudice...
Either you believe sexual attraction is innate or you dont. This would then apply to races as well. Or you're just picking and choosing. Which is your right as well. People have inconsistent views. We all do. But in the interest of discussion, I think ita important for you to recognize the hypocrisy of this argument.
If I recall correctly, you have expressed in past discussions the strong preference for not dating overweight women. Maybe Im recalling incorrectly, but I could have sworn we once had a discussion on this as I am, as some know, very attracted to chubby girls. I love think women. Thin or athletic ones are generally not as attractive to me either...
But if you, in fact, have this preference, should I not then accuse you of being bigoted against overweight people?
Also Ill say that, in my opinion, if one can say theyre attracted to every race, they are desperate and forcing the issue. Animal, mineral, or vegetable... Or they really sohave a preference but will not admit it openly. Which to me is shameful.
As far as that 'study' so many of these things make me laugh... its so easy tocthrow around claims backed by some bogus survey that perhaps never even happened. Whenevet I hear 'survey/numbers/study confirms' I am skeptical. All these things are conducted with intent to draw certain conclusions, and designed as such.
I am not attacking you or your view, but I am challenging it. I am one of the few people here that can do this without taking it or making it personal. Just to be clear. I reapect anyones views, but I will voice my opposition in a reasonable way.
1- Weight often reflect a certain lifestyle... it is manageable and controllable in most cases, skin color is not. A chubby person can turn to non-chubby person.
2- I don't know why you people keep comparing Sexual orientation to radical racial preference in dating (ie. no blacks please). From what I know, there are real biological and evolutionary reasons why to be attracted to the opposite sex (and to the same sex or both for some variants), but I can't think of any innate biological and evolutionary reasons for not being capable to be attracted for example to any black girl or asian girl or any other ethnic - I am emphasizing on the word any.
Biologically...we are the same species... And we are equipped to reproduce with other humans of any color.
There's no significant genetic and biological differences between white women, black women and any other X women.
Some of you are talking as if the "females" of other "race" are some females of some other primate species and therefore it's impossible to be attracted to any member of them.
and that's my dear, I believe it's a byproduct of racism.
1- You over simplify the weight loss process and weight in general. Anyone can lose 'some' weight. Not everyone can be thin or athletic. No matter how hard they work. Short of surgery some things get to be irreversible. Depression, eating disorders, thyroid or other hormonal issues, and a host of other issues can severely affect one's ability to get to and maintain a 'good' weight. MY point was it's about what you find visually appealing, or better put in this context, unappealing.
2- Sexual orientation, is today, by most, accepted as not a choice. Therefore, no person can be held to scrutiny for what they find sexually appealing. Across the board save for pedophilia and rape as those cross other moral and ethical boundaries. That was my point.
Attraction is a far more complex matter than simple reproductive drives. It's way beyond being only biological, as there is such a broad array of different things that make people sexually aroused and/or satisfied. It's not all just because we want to reproduce deep down. Sure that's why we want sex mostly. But the hows, and whos, how do you explain this? It's a complicated matter.
There are obvious aesthetic differences between races. You can't tell me there are not. I am somewhat 'fetishy' in my sexual preferences. I'm fairly particular. For example, I'll often search for hours to find the exact right porn I want. Hundreds of clips. Looking for the right look, the exact right act. I'm very turned on my certain articles of clothing, by glasses, certain hair styles and colors, I'm just specific on what I like.
Now that sounds a little nuts and there's way more room on certain things over others. But skin tone and eyes are big ones for me. They just are...
Your logic is also a very slippery slope. Very soon people will accuse others of homophobia because they don't find the same sex attractive....
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I said in most cases, not all cases.
Also I don't mind bit chubbiness - I just don't like the obese look.
And there's a biological and evolutionary reason for that, there's something in your DNA and brain that tells you "Be attracted to that X sex".
But I hardly believe there's something in our DNA that tells us not to be attracted to a certain ethnicity. In fact, expanding the genetic pool is evolutionary advantageous; that's why whales for instance don't do incest and usually mate with members of another group.
And that "way beyond being only biological" could be racism.
But there great of aesthetic varieties within each 'race' - It's kindly hard to believe that no black or dark-skinned woman (since I think you are not attracted to blacks) in the entire world among the billions can turn you on.
The porn industry is very racist, and might alter your preferences to that direction.
Nope and I explained why, won't repeat myself.
Also, we have a right to reject anyone for any means we see fit, even if we were racist (of which most people with racial preferences are not, but a minority may be).
When I say this, I mean we even have the right to reject someone if we believe the stereotypes of their race.
Many people do this anyway, it's not going to change their minds by shaming them for it.
But then again, sometimes there's a line on what we can/should judge others for doing and what we shouldn't.
A common line usually said by social and cultural norms is, if it's not hurting anyone, they have every right to do it.
Rejecting someone due to having racial preferences or out of genuine racism against the person because you believe their race is inferior, of which the two are both MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, do not bring harm to another person because most people don't find out why they get rejected and by not messaging/replying to someone on online dating you don't technically try to directly hurt them in the first place.
It is easy to judge people in hindsight, it is difficult to realize the xenophobia people truly experience until you walk in the shoes of someone that has experienced xenophobia or hate crime. It is important to not hold a preconception of who people are based on their nationality or gender. If someone is segregating or judging an entire race based on preconceptions and generalization, I would class it as xenophobia.
Despite the fact that most of my partners have been from Asian countries due to my shorter stature (i'm only about 5ft4in, pretty short for an Aussie bloke), I'd have to say that if you specify where you want your girlfriends or boyfriends to come from, I'd say you're either a closet racist or have a fetish for people of that ethnicity. Either way, women and men are not pogs, guys, They are actual people. Where they come from and what they look like is irrelevant.
If my partner was any other ethnicity, whether that be caucasion, african, middle-eastern, or whatever. I choose to be with her because she's a beautiful and insightful woman.
Also, we have a right to reject anyone for any means we see fit, even if we were racist (of which most people with racial preferences are not, but a minority may be).
When I say this, I mean we even have the right to reject someone if we believe the stereotypes of their race.
Many people do this anyway, it's not going to change their minds by shaming them for it.
But then again, sometimes there's a line on what we can/should judge others for doing and what we shouldn't.
A common line usually said by social and cultural norms is, if it's not hurting anyone, they have every right to do it.
Rejecting someone due to having racial preferences or out of genuine racism against the person because you believe their race is inferior, of which the two are both MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, do not bring harm to another person because most people don't find out why they get rejected and by not messaging/replying to someone on online dating you don't technically try to directly hurt them in the first place.
It is easy to judge people in hindsight, it is difficult to realize the xenophobia people truly experience until you walk in the shoes of someone that has experienced xenophobia or hate crime. It is important to not hold a preconception of who people are based on their nationality or gender. If someone is segregating or judging an entire race based on preconceptions and generalization, I would class it as xenophobia.
Okay, what I meant is, truly, we have the right to do whatever want, whenever we want, as long as we suffer the consequences.
The 'law' and 'morals' are merely constrains that can easily be overcome.
However to most people I've met, they believe 'You can do whatever you want, as long as it does not hurt anyone'.
So, those who have racial preferences, NOT based on stereotypes at all, but simply not being attracted to someone of a certain race, is not 'wrong'.
But then again, I don't believe it's necessarily 'forbidden' to reject someone because you actually ARE a racist. I do believe this is 'wrong', but not that people can 'not do it'.
It's the same way that I believe murder is 'wrong', but that doesn't mean people won't do it.
The 'line' created by most cultures and societies is one can engage in any activity that does not bring harm to others.
I believe rejecting someone because you are not attracted to them, may be hurtful to the rejected, but the person rejected can not be hurt if they were never told it was because the rejector was not attracted to their race.
Yeah, I'll admit I got my earlier comment a little jumbled up.
Btw, I am minority. I am aware I'll be rejected purely because of someone else stereotyping me. It's hell, but what can ya do...
If my partner was any other ethnicity, whether that be caucasion, african, middle-eastern, or whatever. I choose to be with her because she's a beautiful and insightful woman.
So you're asexual? If not, you cant tell me what people look like doesnt matter, sorry.
You said your partner is beautiful. Therefore looks evidently matter to you. You just must find a broader range of people attractive. Which is your right.
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I suppose it makes sense for some that they'd want a partner that they share culture and values or whatever is most important to a person with altho someone obsessed with racial purity who can only be attracted to their own race is probably probably safe to call racist. I would find it very odd to say that about a race other than your own too as I have heard before, fetishization of race has a long history in racism for what it is worth.
There are attractive and unattractive people of all races, there is so much variance between people that to judge a whole race as attractive or unattractive is absurd. Billions of people of every shade, supermodels to big foots, good people, bad people, fat, skinny, fit, whatever.
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There are attractive and unattractive people of all races, there is so much variance between people that to judge a whole race as attractive or unattractive is absurd. Billions of people of every shade, supermodels to big foots, good people, bad people, fat, skinny, fit, whatever.
I don't know if I'd call it absurd... However, you can't judge any attractiveness/fitness in precise, absolute, objective terms, anyway. You also can't apply strict logic to it, either, because these ideas aren't going to be rooted in logic. It's bias. People like what people like. When it comes to choosing a potential mate, you really just go with what you like. If you want to write off an entire race, you can do that. Maybe it's racist, maybe it's not. Doesn't matter. I don't think anyone should be brought to answer for those kinds of preferences. It's not anyone's business.
Someone made the analogy to gender preference. I find the idea of two guys kissing utterly repulsive. Other people find men/women kissing utterly repulsive, which doesn't bother me at all. If that makes me homophobic, so be it. It doesn't mean I harbor any deep hatred towards anyone or have any desire to impose my preferences on anyone. It just means I like what I like and dislike what I dislike.
Good grief, it sometimes seems to me that gender/racial preferences in dating are among the few choices we actually have in life anymore. I lead a straight, vanilla kind of existence and am very happy. What's so wrong with that? Am I really so horrible a person if I don't date same sex or outside my race because I already know what works best for me?