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karathraceandherspecialdestiny
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26 Jul 2017, 5:24 pm

I wonder if part of the problem for autistic people and "chemistry" (or personal connection, or whatever you want to call it) is that it happens to us far less often than it happens with neurotypicals. They seem to be more likely to be able to feel this sort of easy affinity with other neurotypicals, and because they outnumber us so greatly they are far more likely to experience that feeling when they meet a new person, as opposed to an autistic person because we are so much less likely to meet another neurodivergent/unusual person with whom we "click" and whom we can understand. I know in my personal experience the number of times I have felt this kind of chemistry with someone I just met has been very rare compared to the total number of people I've interacted with in my life.

Maybe it's as simple as the odds are just stacked against us, and over time we get discouraged because we don't get to experience that "chemistry" as often as neurotypicals do (and they probably take for granted, how much more often that interpersonal "chemistry" is available to them.)



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26 Jul 2017, 5:37 pm

The "odds are stacked against us"---but the odds were also "stacked" against many ethnic groups for a long time. Success is not precluded just because "the odds are against us."

We have to beat the odds.



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26 Jul 2017, 5:42 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
The "odds are stacked against us"---but the odds were also "stacked" against many ethnic groups for a long time. Success is not precluded just because "the odds are against us."

We have to beat the odds.


I'm not saying we should just give up on trying to form personal connections with people, I'm just saying that it being statistically less likely to happen to us compared to neurotypicals probably contributes to us feeling discouraged in that regard, and like there is something wrong with us fundamentally because we experience that kind of interpersonal connection less often than is "normal".



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26 Jul 2017, 5:45 pm

It's true what you say. But we shouldn't consider that fact when we are trying to connect with people.

We should use that fact to make it less frustrating should we fail.

The problem: is that people take those "facts" with them when they go out in the world. They make assumptions based upon the results of research studies. People are different than the "composite" which is obtained though these results.

We agree, basically.



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26 Jul 2017, 6:13 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's true what you say. But we shouldn't consider that fact when we are trying to connect with people.

We should use that fact to make it less frustrating should we fail.

The problem: is that people take those "facts" with them when they go out in the world. They make assumptions based upon the results of research studies. People are different than the "composite" which is obtained though these results.

We agree, basically.


I think we do agree. If we were more aware of the odds we would take it less personally when we don't "click" with people, it might help it to feel less like rejection or like a personal failure. I don't think it is a judgment against us that we are less likely to click with people, and we shouldn't see it that way.



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26 Jul 2017, 6:21 pm

If chemistry and sexual attraction are the same thing...why is it you can have sexual attraction without chemistry?


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26 Jul 2017, 6:26 pm

I've had that happen to me. I've been attracted to a person with whom I had absolutely nothing in common.

These sorts of relationships don't last, though.



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26 Jul 2017, 8:10 pm

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27 Jul 2017, 3:05 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
If chemistry and sexual attraction are the same thing...why is it you can have sexual attraction without chemistry?



I believe if you have sexual attraction toward someone, then there's Chemistry; and if there's Chemistry then there's sexual attraction - hence why I believe they're exactly the same but one sounds cooler and more mystic :lol: .

You probably define Chemistry as compatibility? I believe many are equating Chemistry to compatibility here. True, you can find someone hot without being compatible with you.

It's also a term not equally popular between men and women, you see women use it way more often - and men, not only aspie men, find it hard to 'get' the concept and what it actually means; you can find in all sorts of love forums men asking what Chemistry actually means.

Chemistry is not often equated to compatibility among NT women though, they often explain it as the 'spark' that happens on the very first date with certain person - it doesn't grow, it is either there or not on the first meetup- if it's not there then they reject the man because they feel no Chemistry with him; if it's lacking then end of story. You never hear of a case of a woman saying "I felt no chemistry at all with him before....but later suddenly I felt chemistry with him".

So it's something pre-determined, and instant - so it can't be compatibility because it requires time to know the person well before knowing whether he's compatible with or not.

As its name indicates "Chemistry" is supposed to be chemical-based, it's like a drug, so...biologically it's hormone-based, it's instinct, animal and irrational - doesn't all this ring a bell? (hint hint: sexual attraction).



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27 Jul 2017, 2:12 pm

thanks for all of the replies! (i actually did read through all of them XD)

yes, since i don't really understand the term, i tend to not use it myself; but when someone is speaking to me, and they use the term "chemistry," i like to understand what they mean so i can respond appropriately... (i understand this isn't always possible, but at least i try XD)


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27 Jul 2017, 3:11 pm

Chemistry is when some key relationship traits are similar between two people. It doesn't need to be the same traits for everybody, and the traits most likely differ between NTs and NDs.

Chemistry is definitely not sexual attraction, and it is not shared interests either.



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28 Jul 2017, 5:40 pm

But sexual attraction and shared interests often do induce "chemistry."

However, to some people "chemistry" is something which cannot be defined---it's just "there," a mystery which is beyond the comprehension of mortal people (almost like the conception of God).



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29 Jul 2017, 1:57 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
But sexual attraction and shared interests often do induce "chemistry."


IMO, chemistry is there already at first sight, so cannot be induced by shared interests. Also, I find a huge majority of young women sexually attractive, so that is not something that is very specific.

kraftiekortie wrote:
However, to some people "chemistry" is something which cannot be defined---it's just "there," a mystery which is beyond the comprehension of mortal people (almost like the conception of God).


That's more like it. For me it usually is that they are NDs, as that is more or less a requirement for chemistry to exist.



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29 Jul 2017, 9:35 am

I have felt a "surge of attraction" when I find that a woman has a shared interest in me.

This means, in my experience, that this sort of "chemistry" is induced by shared interests.



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29 Jul 2017, 4:30 pm

Saw WhatsApp guy in person today. Still like him, but still got no chemistry. He was very polite which was nice. I know it's got back to him that I like him, so it was nice that he said hello and asked me how I am, but yeah. No connection. He left it at hello how are you and made his excuses to leave.



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29 Jul 2017, 5:10 pm

hurtloam wrote:
Lol men always thinking it has to be something sexual. It is to a certain extent, but not completely.

One can be sexually attracted to someone they have no chemistry with.

Weirdly I was just looking at a WhatsApp profile photo of someone I know. He's still attractive to me, but we had no chemistry.

we couldn't talk to each other. It was mostly uphill. We would just misunderstand each other so often. I didn't get his motivation and he didn't get mine.

It was two gears that don't go together.

No chemistry can also mean, "I found the conversation dull or too difficult. Not enjoyable"


it's a spot on explanation. some people think it's always sexual attraction. and surely it plays a factor. recently i dated a gal that we were both extremely attracted to the other, but had ZERO chemistry. we constantly misunderstood each other, we never got each other's jokes, we never knew what the other was thinking or feeling. when we were trying to have a conversation by text, it was riddled with one word responses, in person, most of our time was spent looking at our phones or, well, making out. which, was awesome. but all of those things let to a lot of unnecessary hurt feelings and fights. i guess for some people attraction is a pre-requisite for all of those things to be in place, but we very much had that and just could not get along. that is no chemistry to me.

i've met girls on dating apps (when i used such things) that i could stay up and talk to about anything and everything, joking and laughing, until 5am with having just met. this girl and i just could not do it after 2 months.


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