I feel like no one wants me to have a girlfriend
By aura that makes him attractive to women do you mean self confidence? Natural kindness? Both? Something else? Just being curious here.
Yes, "if".
I actually agree with Marknis's views on hypocritical-Christians.
I want Marknis to know that God loves him and that He has been sharing Marknis's pain this whole time.
It's just that people don't know that God needs their permission to be in their life.
God needs your permission.
He has been waiting to have a relationship with you.
God wants to be revealed to you.
That's why God can't be "proven" through limited fallible-Human-scientific-standards.
And that is also why it is an "if".
God, if He does exist, had plenty of time to do that back when I called myself a Christian. I even tried defending Him when He was mocked and that only lead to me being mocked as well. I would pray to Him for help but I never received an answer.
I refuse to take things with a smile in hopes I will get my "reward" in Heaven ever again. I used to think God was punishing me because I wasn't praising Him enough but my older brother was partying on an almost daily basis, doing what most would say is "hedonistic" or "sinful" but he was getting everything I wished I had. All those years of sitting in my room and waiting for God's "plan" to happen lead me to only to despair.
I still believe in God, but i don't think he micromanages our lives. I don't think praying for a partner is appropriate. I think we're given enough freedom to find our own path.
I do think he gives us the strength to keep going And the wisdom, if we ask for it, to find ways of living that is best for our circumstances.
Have you tried praying for contentment? Gonna be honest. I haven't and I maybe should.
AND I think he did see what you did and appreciated it.
Look at King David's life. He had to endure being hunted down by paranoid king Saul for years and years. Spend the best years of his life living in exile. Not because of anything he did. That's just life. Even in the bible God didn't do something miraculous unless he absolutely had to to further some greater purpose.
I don't think that you or I having a partner is going to make us useful to any higher purpose. I think Hannah only received a child because Samuel turned out to be a pretty good and wise leader who benefitted a load of people wider than his immediate family.
I know my view of that is unusual.
I'm not sure you or I can do something that important. But we can do a lot with our current circumstances. Maybe we just haven't found our path yet. And it's not a planned path. It something we will make for ourselves given the support and the guidance we ask for, if we actually ask for it.
By aura that makes him attractive to women do you mean self confidence? Natural kindness? Both? Something else? Just being curious here.
It's pretty much both those attributes. My lack of self-confidence and self-esteem have plagued me for years but I don't know how to be confident as well as accept myself after having so many disappointments and dead ends in my past. I feel like I have nothing to build upon. Some say you have to "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" but if you don't have any "bootstraps", how can you pull yourself up at all?
Yes, "if".
I actually agree with Marknis's views on hypocritical-Christians.
I want Marknis to know that God loves him and that He has been sharing Marknis's pain this whole time.
It's just that people don't know that God needs their permission to be in their life.
God needs your permission.
He has been waiting to have a relationship with you.
God wants to be revealed to you.
That's why God can't be "proven" through limited fallible-Human-scientific-standards.
And that is also why it is an "if".
God, if He does exist, had plenty of time to do that back when I called myself a Christian. I even tried defending Him when He was mocked and that only lead to me being mocked as well. I would pray to Him for help but I never received an answer.
I refuse to take things with a smile in hopes I will get my "reward" in Heaven ever again. I used to think God was punishing me because I wasn't praising Him enough but my older brother was partying on an almost daily basis, doing what most would say is "hedonistic" or "sinful" but he was getting everything I wished I had. All those years of sitting in my room and waiting for God's "plan" to happen lead me to only to despair.
I still believe in God, but i don't think he micromanages our lives. I don't think praying for a partner is appropriate. I think we're given enough freedom to find our own path.
I do think he gives us the strength to keep going And the wisdom, if we ask for it, to find ways of living that is best for our circumstances.
Have you tried praying for contentment? Gonna be honest. I haven't and I maybe should.
AND I think he did see what you did and appreciated it.
Look at King David's life. He had to endure being hunted down by paranoid king Saul for years and years. Spend the best years of his life living in exile. Not because of anything he did. That's just life. Even in the bible God didn't do something miraculous unless he absolutely had to to further some greater purpose.
I don't think that you or I having a partner is going to make us useful to any higher purpose. I think Hannah only received a child because Samuel turned out to be a pretty good and wise leader who benefitted a load of people wider than his immediate family.
I know my view of that is unusual.
I'm not sure you or I can do something that important. But we can do a lot with our current circumstances. Maybe we just haven't found our path yet. And it's not a planned path. It something we will make for ourselves given the support and the guidance we ask for, if we actually ask for it.
I definitely don't find the idea that our lives being micromanaged by an unseen overseer to be uplifting at all. If anything, it's dehumanizing since it basically tells us we are mindless autamatons and hopefully we will win some sort of game the one above us is playing.
I grew up being told both that God answers our prayers as well as that He has a plan for us. Those two outlooks clash when you think about them. What's the point of praying if God already knows what's going to happen to us?
I never prayed for contentment. It just never crossed my mind at all. I was told I had to "suck it up" when I struggled and that if I took it with a smile, God would reward me. I even thought for a time being depressed was God punishing me for not worshipping Him more often. How so? I wasn't spreading the "good news" and trying to convert people but how could I? I live in the Bible Belt and most people here consider themselves Christian so trying to tell them about "the Word" is redundant. I didn't realize that so many Christians I knew were not praising Him every waking moment and were being "blessed" still.
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I haven't read the whole thread so someone else may have already said this, but the best way to get into a relationship is to be happy without one. These friends aren't telling you that you don't deserve a girlfriend, they are telling you that you can be happy with or without one. Until you integrate that into your personality you might project a neediness that is not only unattractive to possible partners, but that could also be unhealthy in a relationship.
It worked for me. Learning to be happy on my own. My best relationships and my marriage all happened after I had realized that I really, honestly, truly did not need someone else to have a good life.
Reading a little down the thread, it sounds like you have a lot to reconcile in your own mind. My advice is to start that work. Have you ever met with a therapist? If you tried it and didn't like the person, are you willing to try someone else? You need someone you are comfortable talking to as you sort out some of the issues you seem to mull.
What do you like to do? Can you join clubs or get involved in some group activities? These sorts of engagements can help you become happier in your life as it is while also increasing the odds that you meet a romantic partner organically.
As for God, religion and how all that plays in ... my faith is not as fundamentalist as it sounds like the faith you grew up in was, but I do consider myself a Christian. I always prayed to see His will clearly and then have the commitment to see it through. I don't believe that God hands us things; He may have a plan, but it is more an outline than something set in stone, and we still have to act on it and make it happen. Free will plays a big part in everything. Overall, I see it much the same way Hurtloam described.
Come to think of it, that all relates to how I met my husband. He was in a young adult group at the church with my sister. Group activities for things that have meaning to you play a huge role in people meeting each other.
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Bouncing around the thread a little more:
I think you need to move to another part of the country.
I think you should try a different church; something far less fundamental and maybe even a little "new age." I'm Catholic but very liberal Catholic; I'm happy with it that way. I get the impression you aren't very interested in faith right now but I also think it is hard to move between two extremes, and you might find more peace if you could engage with faith in a light way that made sense for you. I promise, I'm not saying this because I'm worried about your soul; I decided long ago that God transcends institutionalized religion, and is available to meet people on whatever level or corridor it is they need Him to meet them on. Just, churches are communities and may have people you can talk to in meaningful ways, IF you find the right one. AND it would put you in contact with more women.
I got married at 36. My sister at 42. People aren't all on the same time table. Where you live younger marriages may be the norm, but where I live I'm not that unusual.
It is documented that Aspies tend to enter relationships and marriage at much later ages than the NT population. I don't believe that is all just because it is more challenging, even though it is. I believe that is because Aspies tend to be ready for marriage at a later age. I could not have been successfully married at an earlier age; I know that now looking back.
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Yes, I think that many Aspies aren't mature enough get married until later in life. A big issue is being able to compromise. You won't be able to find someone who likes everything you like. In a mature relationship there will be some give and take so both people get some of what they want. It is unfair if one person gets to decide everything.
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“If”?
Awesome post, btw.
Yes, "if".
I actually agree with Marknis's views on hypocritical-Christians.
I want Marknis to know that God loves him and that He has been sharing Marknis's pain this whole time.
It's just that people don't know that God needs their permission to be in their life.
God needs your permission.
He has been waiting to have a relationship with you.
God wants to be revealed to you.
That's why God can't be "proven" through limited fallible-Human-scientific-standards.
And that is also why it is an "if".
Thank you.
I get it, and I was half-joking. And I think you’re mostly right. I love seeing other Christians who are as passionate about Christ as I am.
The nit-picky stuff is like using the word “if.” I used to get into apologetics arguments, and I really enjoyed doing that. I quit for different reasons, but I still like to flex my muscles from time to time. When I started with “if,” I was unknowingly starting from a position that assumed God did NOT exist. If someone knows already that God exists, why accept the premise that He doesn’t? I know that Christ is the Way of salvation. Why would I accept the premise that He isn’t? “If” starts from a position of doubt. Doubt is for skeptics—and there is most certainly a time and place for doubt. Christians can’t grow without casting doubt on the lies the world tries to shove down our throats. “If” anyone expects me to believe any other way, evidence is required.
I wouldn’t say “God needs.” I’d say God wants or God desires. A god with needs is a challenge to his own sovereignty and not worth worshiping.
Like I said, nit-picky stuff. It does me good to see someone else on here with a heart for God.
The fossil record isn't just layers of bones. It shows the natural progressuon of life throughout Earth's history. Evidence for speciation has also been observed: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... evolve-etc
My dear, if Evolution were a real thing - you would have a girlfriend.
Evolution right now is essentially a very popular religion.
I read Darwin's Origin Of Species when I was 10, and I loved it.
I espoused and defended Evolution for years amongst my peers - until I started to see the holes in the Theory.
I saw that Darwin espoused a theory in which Human females are genetically-predisposed to be attracted to the fittest of the species. (Strongest, fastest, smartest)
My brother, who is also Autistic, is tall, with muscles and is a First Degree Black-Belt in Shotokan Karate.
He is also the nicest guy you will ever meet.
Despite being tall, muscular and handsome, he can't get a girlfriend, either.
He's kind and gentlemanly, but shy - and he asks girls out, but it never works out.
When I was younger and studying Evolution, I started to notice the reproductive-habits of anatomically-modern Human females.
I noticed them (on a large scale) reproducing with males that were dumb, weak and unhealthy.
These males did drugs, which filled their bodies with toxins, and were abusive to women - to the point where a woman could be potentially killed before or during pregnancy.
Why is this important?
Evolution is predicated on Darwin's theory of Sexual Selection.
Darwin's theory states that generations of Humans survive by passing on superior-genes to future generations.
Survival of the fittest.
Unfortunately - Darwin's theories and Reality, are two different things.
When you peel yourself away from your Evolution-bible.. er.. textbook, you will see a world in which multitudes of women fill Battered-Shelters in every state and every country.
At a level which is epidemic, women frequently choose to reproduce with men who can potentially kill them, before they have the ability to give birth.
This is Counter-Productive to Evolution - since "superior genes" cannot be carried to the next generation - if there is no next generation.
This problem is further complicated by the fact that women largely are not reproducing with the fittest of the species.
They are echewing strong, handsome, nurturing and intelligent males - and instead are reproducing with males who are mentally and or physically weak specimens, who are unhealthy due to the drug usage.
This happens on a largely noticeable scale enough, that many young men such as yourself are dealing with its effects.
There of course, other huge holes in Evolution, such as an incomplete fossil-record and carbon-dating methods that are only accurate up to some many thousands of years.
But the largest, most obvious proof that Evolution is someone's Classroom-Project that was turned into a crypto-Religion, is the reproductive-habits of many women - and how they directly-contradict Evolution.
You yourself Marknis appear to be a handsome, sweet young man and yet you can't get a girlfriend despite this.
You are strong, you are fast, you are smart.
And yet the women around you are reproducing with men whose kidney's are approaching failure due to overconsumption of alcohol.
You are intellectual, and yet all the women around you are choosing to reproduce with closed-minded dullards.
This, is referred to, as a contradiction.
If Evolution were real, you would have a girlfriend, and your brothers might not be married or have children.
The reason you choose to support Evolution is understandable - because you have grown to hate the people who believe (ironically, correctly) that Evolution is false.
You understandably reject Christianity and support Evolution, because of your experience with them.
However - if Evolution was real - then that would validate their opinions of you being a failure, because they have been successful with reproduction and you have not.
If Evolution is real, then you are Genetically-Unfit and all your worst fears about yourself are validated through Darwin's theory.
If God is real, then you have untapped potential and God has been waiting for you to allow Him to show you everything you truly are.
Among scientists who study biology which I am, the factual occurrence of evolution is not up for debate. Its as well supported as the notion that the Earth goes round the Sun (and that too is a theory that also contradicts what the Bible has to say on the subject). Even if it were up for debate, we would not, because of the creationist manner of debate, namely the pre determined conclusion that creation has occurred. It is very distressing to us that a significant portion of the worlds population does not believe it because of the mythology of iron age nomads who also thought sea monsters were real and the world was flat.
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The fossil record isn't just layers of bones. It shows the natural progressuon of life throughout Earth's history. Evidence for speciation has also been observed: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... evolve-etc
My dear, if Evolution were a real thing - you would have a girlfriend.
Evolution right now is essentially a very popular religion.
I read Darwin's Origin Of Species when I was 10, and I loved it.
I espoused and defended Evolution for years amongst my peers - until I started to see the holes in the Theory.
I saw that Darwin espoused a theory in which Human females are genetically-predisposed to be attracted to the fittest of the species. (Strongest, fastest, smartest)
My brother, who is also Autistic, is tall, with muscles and is a First Degree Black-Belt in Shotokan Karate.
He is also the nicest guy you will ever meet.
Despite being tall, muscular and handsome, he can't get a girlfriend, either.
He's kind and gentlemanly, but shy - and he asks girls out, but it never works out.
When I was younger and studying Evolution, I started to notice the reproductive-habits of anatomically-modern Human females.
I noticed them (on a large scale) reproducing with males that were dumb, weak and unhealthy.
These males did drugs, which filled their bodies with toxins, and were abusive to women - to the point where a woman could be potentially killed before or during pregnancy.
Why is this important?
Evolution is predicated on Darwin's theory of Sexual Selection.
Darwin's theory states that generations of Humans survive by passing on superior-genes to future generations.
Survival of the fittest.
Unfortunately - Darwin's theories and Reality, are two different things.
When you peel yourself away from your Evolution-bible.. er.. textbook, you will see a world in which multitudes of women fill Battered-Shelters in every state and every country.
At a level which is epidemic, women frequently choose to reproduce with men who can potentially kill them, before they have the ability to give birth.
This is Counter-Productive to Evolution - since "superior genes" cannot be carried to the next generation - if there is no next generation.
This problem is further complicated by the fact that women largely are not reproducing with the fittest of the species.
They are echewing strong, handsome, nurturing and intelligent males - and instead are reproducing with males who are mentally and or physically weak specimens, who are unhealthy due to the drug usage.
This happens on a largely noticeable scale enough, that many young men such as yourself are dealing with its effects.
There of course, other huge holes in Evolution, such as an incomplete fossil-record and carbon-dating methods that are only accurate up to some many thousands of years.
But the largest, most obvious proof that Evolution is someone's Classroom-Project that was turned into a crypto-Religion, is the reproductive-habits of many women - and how they directly-contradict Evolution.
You yourself Marknis appear to be a handsome, sweet young man and yet you can't get a girlfriend despite this.
You are strong, you are fast, you are smart.
And yet the women around you are reproducing with men whose kidney's are approaching failure due to overconsumption of alcohol.
You are intellectual, and yet all the women around you are choosing to reproduce with closed-minded dullards.
This, is referred to, as a contradiction.
If Evolution were real, you would have a girlfriend, and your brothers might not be married or have children.
The reason you choose to support Evolution is understandable - because you have grown to hate the people who believe (ironically, correctly) that Evolution is false.
You understandably reject Christianity and support Evolution, because of your experience with them.
However - if Evolution was real - then that would validate their opinions of you being a failure, because they have been successful with reproduction and you have not.
If Evolution is real, then you are Genetically-Unfit and all your worst fears about yourself are validated through Darwin's theory.
If God is real, then you have untapped potential and God has been waiting for you to allow Him to show you everything you truly are.
Among scientists who study biology which I am, the factual occurrence of evolution is not up for debate.
“not up for debate”=not science
Evidence, please.
Evidence please. Who said sea monsters were real and the world was flat?
Sorry angel but you are clearly in the "bigfoot is real but atoms are not" club. Answer me this: do you or do you not have the pre ordained conclusion that creation has occurred, and nothing will shake you from this conclusion? If I presented evidence that evolution were true, would you change your views? If not, and I'm quite sure you would not regardless of what you say, then any debate on the subject would be a waste of time. Creationists are akin to anti vaxers in this--all the science and evidence in the world would not shake their views.
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Also, gun nuts. While we're off-topic.
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We might get into morphic fields and the inadequacy of DNA if we discuss Lamarckism, and loop back around to relationships.
https://sheldrake.org
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The fossil record isn't just layers of bones. It shows the natural progressuon of life throughout Earth's history. Evidence for speciation has also been observed: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... evolve-etc
My dear, if Evolution were a real thing - you would have a girlfriend.
Evolution right now is essentially a very popular religion.
I read Darwin's Origin Of Species when I was 10, and I loved it.
I espoused and defended Evolution for years amongst my peers - until I started to see the holes in the Theory.
I saw that Darwin espoused a theory in which Human females are genetically-predisposed to be attracted to the fittest of the species. (Strongest, fastest, smartest)
My brother, who is also Autistic, is tall, with muscles and is a First Degree Black-Belt in Shotokan Karate.
He is also the nicest guy you will ever meet.
Despite being tall, muscular and handsome, he can't get a girlfriend, either.
He's kind and gentlemanly, but shy - and he asks girls out, but it never works out.
When I was younger and studying Evolution, I started to notice the reproductive-habits of anatomically-modern Human females.
I noticed them (on a large scale) reproducing with males that were dumb, weak and unhealthy.
These males did drugs, which filled their bodies with toxins, and were abusive to women - to the point where a woman could be potentially killed before or during pregnancy.
Why is this important?
Evolution is predicated on Darwin's theory of Sexual Selection.
Darwin's theory states that generations of Humans survive by passing on superior-genes to future generations.
Survival of the fittest.
Unfortunately - Darwin's theories and Reality, are two different things.
When you peel yourself away from your Evolution-bible.. er.. textbook, you will see a world in which multitudes of women fill Battered-Shelters in every state and every country.
At a level which is epidemic, women frequently choose to reproduce with men who can potentially kill them, before they have the ability to give birth.
This is Counter-Productive to Evolution - since "superior genes" cannot be carried to the next generation - if there is no next generation.
This problem is further complicated by the fact that women largely are not reproducing with the fittest of the species.
They are echewing strong, handsome, nurturing and intelligent males - and instead are reproducing with males who are mentally and or physically weak specimens, who are unhealthy due to the drug usage.
This happens on a largely noticeable scale enough, that many young men such as yourself are dealing with its effects.
There of course, other huge holes in Evolution, such as an incomplete fossil-record and carbon-dating methods that are only accurate up to some many thousands of years.
But the largest, most obvious proof that Evolution is someone's Classroom-Project that was turned into a crypto-Religion, is the reproductive-habits of many women - and how they directly-contradict Evolution.
You yourself Marknis appear to be a handsome, sweet young man and yet you can't get a girlfriend despite this.
You are strong, you are fast, you are smart.
And yet the women around you are reproducing with men whose kidney's are approaching failure due to overconsumption of alcohol.
You are intellectual, and yet all the women around you are choosing to reproduce with closed-minded dullards.
This, is referred to, as a contradiction.
If Evolution were real, you would have a girlfriend, and your brothers might not be married or have children.
The reason you choose to support Evolution is understandable - because you have grown to hate the people who believe (ironically, correctly) that Evolution is false.
You understandably reject Christianity and support Evolution, because of your experience with them.
However - if Evolution was real - then that would validate their opinions of you being a failure, because they have been successful with reproduction and you have not.
If Evolution is real, then you are Genetically-Unfit and all your worst fears about yourself are validated through Darwin's theory.
If God is real, then you have untapped potential and God has been waiting for you to allow Him to show you everything you truly are.
That's ironic - because it never factually occurs.
That's an interesting claim - show me specifically where it says in the Bible that the earth does not revolve around the sun.
Also, do you believe in The Big Bang Theory?
lol..
I get it - "your religion is greater than mine".
I dare not question the all-knowing supreme prophet Charles Darwin.
No, but seriously - I have listed too many ways that Reality contradicts Evolution:
When I was younger and studying Evolution, I started to notice the reproductive-habits of anatomically-modern Human females.
I noticed them (on a large scale) reproducing with males that were dumb, weak and unhealthy.
These males did drugs, which filled their bodies with toxins, and were abusive to women - to the point where a woman could be potentially killed before or during pregnancy.
Why is this important?
Evolution is predicated on Darwin's theory of Sexual Selection.
Darwin's theory states that generations of Humans survive by passing on superior-genes to future generations.
Survival of the fittest.
Unfortunately - Darwin's theories and Reality, are two different things.
When you peel yourself away from your Evolution-bible.. er.. textbook, you will see a world in which multitudes of women fill Battered-Shelters in every state and every country.
At a level which is epidemic, women frequently choose to reproduce with men who can potentially kill them, before they have the ability to give birth.
This is Counter-Productive to Evolution - since "superior genes" cannot be carried to the next generation - if there is no next generation.
This problem is further complicated by the fact that women largely are not reproducing with the fittest of the species.
They are echewing strong, handsome, nurturing and intelligent males - and instead are reproducing with males who are mentally and or physically weak specimens, who are unhealthy due to the drug usage.
This happens on a largely noticeable scale enough, that many young men such as yourself are dealing with its effects.
There of course, other huge holes in Evolution, such as an incomplete fossil-record and carbon-dating methods that are only accurate up to some many thousands of years.
But the largest, most obvious proof that Evolution is someone's Classroom-Project that was turned into a crypto-Religion, is the reproductive-habits of many women - and how they directly-contradict Evolution.
I find it distressing that so many people blindly believe a Classroom-Project that was turned into a crypto-religion by a fallible Human.
As I've said, aside from the fact that the fossil-record is too incomplete to show any proof of evolution, and that carbon-dating is only accurate up to 12,000 years or so - there is also the matter of Darwin's theory of Sexual Selection (upon which evolution hinges upon as a theory which is completely contradicted by the reproductive-habits of many modern Human females.
In short, the way reproduction actually occurs means there can be no possibility for evolution.
Logically, Humans haven't even existed much further back than 10,000 years - and certainly not the 40,000 - 200,000 that Science claims.
With the way many modern Human females select their mates - primitive Humans would have died out thousands of years ago, due to predation, and weak-genetics.
Evolution as a religion is beyond reproach.
Evolution cannot be compared to Reality, where it fails miserably.
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I haven’t made anti-evolution claims in this thread, nor have I made a case for the Bible or for creationism. I’m not really in the habit of doing that kind of thing anymore. It doesn’t interest me and I don’t care to expend the time and effort to go round after round with it. Whether I “believe” in evolution or not isn’t the issue. It’s just that I have nothing to gain from it. If you want to tangle with someone over evolution, be my guest, but understand I’m just a quiet observer. Same thing with whether God exists, or Extraterrestrial Pasta Rastas, or pink unicorns, or flying space teapots. I’ve paid my dues and don’t care to do it again unless there’s something in it for me.
HOWEVER...
YOU have, in effect, made assertions about the Bible with regard to the earth’s orbit. YOU made claims that the Bible has been contradicted. Where is the evidence?
Same thing with sea monsters and flat earth. Evidence, please!
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The fossil record isn't just layers of bones. It shows the natural progressuon of life throughout Earth's history. Evidence for speciation has also been observed: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... evolve-etc
My dear, if Evolution were a real thing - you would have a girlfriend.
Evolution right now is essentially a very popular religion.
I read Darwin's Origin Of Species when I was 10, and I loved it.
I espoused and defended Evolution for years amongst my peers - until I started to see the holes in the Theory.
I saw that Darwin espoused a theory in which Human females are genetically-predisposed to be attracted to the fittest of the species. (Strongest, fastest, smartest)
My brother, who is also Autistic, is tall, with muscles and is a First Degree Black-Belt in Shotokan Karate.
He is also the nicest guy you will ever meet.
Despite being tall, muscular and handsome, he can't get a girlfriend, either.
He's kind and gentlemanly, but shy - and he asks girls out, but it never works out.
When I was younger and studying Evolution, I started to notice the reproductive-habits of anatomically-modern Human females.
I noticed them (on a large scale) reproducing with males that were dumb, weak and unhealthy.
These males did drugs, which filled their bodies with toxins, and were abusive to women - to the point where a woman could be potentially killed before or during pregnancy.
Why is this important?
Evolution is predicated on Darwin's theory of Sexual Selection.
Darwin's theory states that generations of Humans survive by passing on superior-genes to future generations.
Survival of the fittest.
Unfortunately - Darwin's theories and Reality, are two different things.
When you peel yourself away from your Evolution-bible.. er.. textbook, you will see a world in which multitudes of women fill Battered-Shelters in every state and every country.
At a level which is epidemic, women frequently choose to reproduce with men who can potentially kill them, before they have the ability to give birth.
This is Counter-Productive to Evolution - since "superior genes" cannot be carried to the next generation - if there is no next generation.
This problem is further complicated by the fact that women largely are not reproducing with the fittest of the species.
They are echewing strong, handsome, nurturing and intelligent males - and instead are reproducing with males who are mentally and or physically weak specimens, who are unhealthy due to the drug usage.
This happens on a largely noticeable scale enough, that many young men such as yourself are dealing with its effects.
There of course, other huge holes in Evolution, such as an incomplete fossil-record and carbon-dating methods that are only accurate up to some many thousands of years.
But the largest, most obvious proof that Evolution is someone's Classroom-Project that was turned into a crypto-Religion, is the reproductive-habits of many women - and how they directly-contradict Evolution.
You yourself Marknis appear to be a handsome, sweet young man and yet you can't get a girlfriend despite this.
You are strong, you are fast, you are smart.
And yet the women around you are reproducing with men whose kidney's are approaching failure due to overconsumption of alcohol.
You are intellectual, and yet all the women around you are choosing to reproduce with closed-minded dullards.
This, is referred to, as a contradiction.
If Evolution were real, you would have a girlfriend, and your brothers might not be married or have children.
The reason you choose to support Evolution is understandable - because you have grown to hate the people who believe (ironically, correctly) that Evolution is false.
You understandably reject Christianity and support Evolution, because of your experience with them.
However - if Evolution was real - then that would validate their opinions of you being a failure, because they have been successful with reproduction and you have not.
If Evolution is real, then you are Genetically-Unfit and all your worst fears about yourself are validated through Darwin's theory.
If God is real, then you have untapped potential and God has been waiting for you to allow Him to show you everything you truly are.
That's ironic - because it never factually occurs.
That's an interesting claim - show me specifically where it says in the Bible that the earth does not revolve around the sun.
Also, do you believe in The Big Bang Theory?
lol..
I get it - "your religion is greater than mine".
I dare not question the all-knowing supreme prophet Charles Darwin.
No, but seriously - I have listed too many ways that Reality contradicts Evolution:
When I was younger and studying Evolution, I started to notice the reproductive-habits of anatomically-modern Human females.
I noticed them (on a large scale) reproducing with males that were dumb, weak and unhealthy.
These males did drugs, which filled their bodies with toxins, and were abusive to women - to the point where a woman could be potentially killed before or during pregnancy.
Why is this important?
Evolution is predicated on Darwin's theory of Sexual Selection.
Darwin's theory states that generations of Humans survive by passing on superior-genes to future generations.
Survival of the fittest.
Unfortunately - Darwin's theories and Reality, are two different things.
When you peel yourself away from your Evolution-bible.. er.. textbook, you will see a world in which multitudes of women fill Battered-Shelters in every state and every country.
At a level which is epidemic, women frequently choose to reproduce with men who can potentially kill them, before they have the ability to give birth.
This is Counter-Productive to Evolution - since "superior genes" cannot be carried to the next generation - if there is no next generation.
This problem is further complicated by the fact that women largely are not reproducing with the fittest of the species.
They are echewing strong, handsome, nurturing and intelligent males - and instead are reproducing with males who are mentally and or physically weak specimens, who are unhealthy due to the drug usage.
This happens on a largely noticeable scale enough, that many young men such as yourself are dealing with its effects.
There of course, other huge holes in Evolution, such as an incomplete fossil-record and carbon-dating methods that are only accurate up to some many thousands of years.
But the largest, most obvious proof that Evolution is someone's Classroom-Project that was turned into a crypto-Religion, is the reproductive-habits of many women - and how they directly-contradict Evolution.
I find it distressing that so many people blindly believe a Classroom-Project that was turned into a crypto-religion by a fallible Human.
As I've said, aside from the fact that the fossil-record is too incomplete to show any proof of evolution, and that carbon-dating is only accurate up to 12,000 years or so - there is also the matter of Darwin's theory of Sexual Selection (upon which evolution hinges upon as a theory which is completely contradicted by the reproductive-habits of many modern Human females.
In short, the way reproduction actually occurs means there can be no possibility for evolution.
Logically, Humans haven't even existed much further back than 10,000 years - and certainly not the 40,000 - 200,000 that Science claims.
With the way many modern Human females select their mates - primitive Humans would have died out thousands of years ago, due to predation, and weak-genetics.
Evolution as a religion is beyond reproach.
Evolution cannot be compared to Reality, where it fails miserably.
I don’t necessarily agree with EVERY point you’re making, but I admire your effort. I enjoy reading these kinds of exchanges, and I can’t help but notice our different approaches do have a few things in common. I hope you’ll keep at it!
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