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14 Oct 2017, 11:58 pm

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Did you read the article? It shows what I’ve been saying due to what I see women saying.

What do you consider low payed? I make under 9,000 a year. Poverty line for single is 12,000
It’s 28,000 for family of 4 so a guy making 28,000 and supporting a wife and 2 kids is poor. Low paid families would probably be 40,000-50,000 middle class is around 100,000 I think. How many men who make 9,000 or less a year with family’s have you seen?

When will you accept reality? Go ask nurseangle about it she’ll tell you she won’t date anyone who makes less then her and prefers one who makes more then her, and she’s far from the only woman in wp who thinks that way there’s a bunch here alone. Most the ones who don’t are from Europe or Asia (New zealand and Australia included)

Brows Craigslist from my area, make a fake male account on dating sites and read women’s profiles a majority say they want date a man who doesn’t have a good job, car and place aka has his life together. I didn’t make this up from thin air and nearly every thread about it has the those women here come and say it’s true. I had a close female friend tell me I need to get a better job so I can pay for vacations and dinners out every week for s girl if I ever want to have a gf.

It’s tradition that they guy makes more and provides that hasn’t died and is still pushed by society and majority of women in the USA. The male provider and female housewife is still very much alive here I’d bet it’s around 50% or so.


They problem is you, mate. Not the people who won't date you. You won't fix the problem unless you proactively try to change your situation so you feel better about yourself.

I live reality. I've worked the crappiest jobs, I was at one for 5 years where I earned $7 an hour before tax. went to the lowest decile high school in my city where people were constantly getting beaten up. I know for a fact that poor men and teenagers can get women, have kids, have a family.

Who the hell is Nurse angle, and who cares? It's one person. Craigslist is basically the anus of the internet. I can't believe you are basing people on what you find on there.

I'm basing my opinion on 32 years of life experience mixing with a wide variety of people, not the opinions of craigslist, an internet person, and some girl who friend zoned you.


He means Nurseangela, she’s on WP.


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15 Oct 2017, 12:05 am

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Yes, guys might turn me down 'cause I'm:
1. Unemployed
2. Socially akward (which breaks down to various little things that average NT might have trouble with)
3. A person with an uncureable disability (which might cause serious health and financial issues in the future)
4. Someone with a scarred body that has been over weight.


Those would all be red flags for me. A long term relationship may eventually lead to cohabitation and I can't do that with someone who can't pay for half our combined living expenses.


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Men have been the sole provider for thousands of years and going.


I don't want to be the sole provider. I want to split things like rent/mortgage 50/50.

The cost of housing has gone up due to the prevalence of dual income couples. The only for me to buy a house is to also be a member of a dual income couple. The days when a man could be sole breadwinner for him and his wife and buy a house are over.


Unless you marry someone at your wrk doing the same job you never going be paid the same so one of you will always make more then the other making a 50/50 split impossible


Well I don't want to quibble over a few cents. Can we settle for a 50/50 split with a 10% margin of error? The majority of middle class jobs would probably be within 10% more or less than my salary because that salary is designed to be enough for one person to live on.

Salaries that are much lower or much higher than this would be on the narrow ends of the bell-curve and not as common.

Wait, does it have to be a 50/50 salary split? How about a 50/50 split of the bills? We don't need exactly the same salary to split our bills and mortgage exactly 50/50 but it but it certainly helps if we're in the same ballpark (within 10% of each other).

We not talking cents we talking dollars. You make 20 she makes 22 monthly you 3,200 her 3,520 yearly you 38,400 her 42,240 but what if you make 17 and she makes 26 ar two dollar difference she’s making about 2,000 more then you a year, the more dollars difference adds up, what if she gets raises.

Ok bills, we’ll say she makes more then you she wants a certain life style that her income can provide but yours can’t so now you can’t pay half of the lifestyle she wants. What do you do? You make 3,200 but she expects you to contribute 3,520 to keep her life style that she had before you but now has to do it for two. So either yiu figure how to make more or she has to lower her lifestyle. And that’s the problem. See there’s absolutely o reasoned a woman making 17 and hour couldn’t be with me and be happy except that she wants to live a higher life style then I could even pay half of. It’s as simple as that. Two people could have a kid or kids at min wage pay. But she thinks she needs her $17 income and a guys $25 income to do it and do vacations . People don’t need vacations or to eat out. What’s wrong with cooking meals at home? What’s wrong with simple used furniture. What’s wrong with cheap silver wear and plates? Why is it most women insist on upper middle class life stile? Until the 70s only the very rich traveled. Simple society tells the, they need to be upper middle class etc

Who has every spent 1 million dollars on raising a kid besides rich people. My family certainly didn’t. And I made it through child hood.



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15 Oct 2017, 12:37 am

hale_bopp wrote:
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As I posted earlier, I dated and eventually married a man who, at the time we got together, was making significantly less than I was.

Discussions like this as are a scapegoat. Instead of doing the work to figure out what one's assets are, and to improve them if one doesn't like what they see on the tally sheet, people try to blame it all on some standard held by other parties. Well, that is garbage. It is self-defeating.

Some people can’t change their situations. That’s how the world works. Be it me or some poor farmer in china who can’t escape the farm. Poor people tend to stay poor generation to generation othing changes for most. That poor Irish guys family were poor iirish immigrants.

I’m permanently disabled, I’ve been on disability since 15 I’ll be on it til I die so that means my income will always be about 1,000 a month. That can’t be changed. So I’ll keep being upset at women who won’t date me over something I can’t change. Be glad your son isn’t as disabled. But he hasn’t finished college yet which is where he’ll find out. I did very good in college. I was on the deans list and a honor student. None of that helped me in the real world.

So I’m tired of being told I’m just lazy and not trying to change, if I could get s job that paid $50 an hour for 20 hours a week I would but what job pays that other then ceos or executives and they work 50+ hours a week.

All that’s in my power to change is my body weight and I’m doing that at great expense to me.


This, or it takes us 4 timas the ef effort r less than half the result.

I have agoraphobia. I can't go anywhere by myself without having panic attacks.

It will take years of hard work, therapy and meds to.overcome this problem, the average NT could go places alone since 15.

I'm very scared of driving. More than the average person. By the time I have The couage to even START trying to learn I could be 22.

Hardwork is relative. Its legitimately a challenge for.me to walk to a bus stop, catch one downtown, shop, catch one back.

People act like we're being lazy when if anything were trying our BEST, its just we're so severe our best isn't good enough.

Everyone here seems.higher functioning. They will never understand us lower functipning types.

Every teenager here has jobs and is studying at col and moges out at 18/19.

Most of the aspie.women here aren't Mich less successful than the average NT. They all graduated with degrees, got successful jobs, moved out, live alone, etc.

There are people with Autism.who will NEVER be able to do these things.

I hope I will someday but lpol at those more sever autistics who can't go to college. Who live with their parents at 40.

What can THEY do? Are they just destined to die alone?


That's not unfair, that's f*cking CRUELTY.

An entire 7 billion people and not one will accept them.


You're preaching to the choir. You're on an aspergers message board, most of us have multiple health problems. I have BPD, which destroys my relationships with just about everyone, Severe anxiety and at one point OCD so bad I was afraid to breath due to fear of germs. Please don't assume the severity of other people's struggles and assume they don't put in just as much or more effort.

My health problems mean I am not as desirable as other women. Is it fair? NO, is life fair? NO. The difference is, I don't expect men to bend and accept me. How selfish is that?

Thanks.


I don't either.
I expect at least one compatible person on this planet to MEET US HALFWAY.



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15 Oct 2017, 1:36 am

Outrider wrote:
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DW_a_mom wrote:
As I posted earlier, I dated and eventually married a man who, at the time we got together, was making significantly less than I was.

Discussions like this as are a scapegoat. Instead of doing the work to figure out what one's assets are, and to improve them if one doesn't like what they see on the tally sheet, people try to blame it all on some standard held by other parties. Well, that is garbage. It is self-defeating.

Some people can’t change their situations. That’s how the world works. Be it me or some poor farmer in china who can’t escape the farm. Poor people tend to stay poor generation to generation othing changes for most. That poor Irish guys family were poor iirish immigrants.

I’m permanently disabled, I’ve been on disability since 15 I’ll be on it til I die so that means my income will always be about 1,000 a month. That can’t be changed. So I’ll keep being upset at women who won’t date me over something I can’t change. Be glad your son isn’t as disabled. But he hasn’t finished college yet which is where he’ll find out. I did very good in college. I was on the deans list and a honor student. None of that helped me in the real world.

So I’m tired of being told I’m just lazy and not trying to change, if I could get s job that paid $50 an hour for 20 hours a week I would but what job pays that other then ceos or executives and they work 50+ hours a week.

All that’s in my power to change is my body weight and I’m doing that at great expense to me.


This, or it takes us 4 timas the ef effort r less than half the result.

I have agoraphobia. I can't go anywhere by myself without having panic attacks.

It will take years of hard work, therapy and meds to.overcome this problem, the average NT could go places alone since 15.

I'm very scared of driving. More than the average person. By the time I have The couage to even START trying to learn I could be 22.

Hardwork is relative. Its legitimately a challenge for.me to walk to a bus stop, catch one downtown, shop, catch one back.

People act like we're being lazy when if anything were trying our BEST, its just we're so severe our best isn't good enough.

Everyone here seems.higher functioning. They will never understand us lower functipning types.

Every teenager here has jobs and is studying at col and moges out at 18/19.

Most of the aspie.women here aren't Mich less successful than the average NT. They all graduated with degrees, got successful jobs, moved out, live alone, etc.

There are people with Autism.who will NEVER be able to do these things.

I hope I will someday but lpol at those more sever autistics who can't go to college. Who live with their parents at 40.

What can THEY do? Are they just destined to die alone?


That's not unfair, that's f*cking CRUELTY.

An entire 7 billion people and not one will accept them.


You're preaching to the choir. You're on an aspergers message board, most of us have multiple health problems. I have BPD, which destroys my relationships with just about everyone, Severe anxiety and at one point OCD so bad I was afraid to breath due to fear of germs. Please don't assume the severity of other people's struggles and assume they don't put in just as much or more effort.

My health problems mean I am not as desirable as other women. Is it fair? NO, is life fair? NO. The difference is, I don't expect men to bend and accept me. How selfish is that?

Thanks.


I don't either.
I expect at least one compatible person on this planet to MEET US HALFWAY.


That's still asking for too much. People don't have to do anything they don't want to, neither do you. Dating is hit and miss, some people just never find anyone. I have accepted I most likely won't find anyone, and it's much better this way. Then if you do find someone, it's an unexpected bonus. You can't expect someone to want to date you, it's ridiculous.

There are plenty of people who might date you, or me, but finding them is another question. I'm not going to try to force it. It's unfortunate other people seem to still think the world owes them love and affection. The world is a cruel place, and I'm sure we all know this. It's a lot easier if you are at least at peace with the one person who has your back - yourself.



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15 Oct 2017, 1:56 am

Halebop you can't tell people when to stop struggling and give in to the single life. They need to find that on their own. No amount of posting will change anyone's mind.

I've had to reach that point by myself.

I've had years of older women telling me I'll be happier if I stop looking for love and I just thought they were sad and pathetic and I didn't want to be like them. It hurt me more that they thought I was not good enough to be loved.

They were trying to help me find a happier way of living, but i saw it as telling me that I'm a loser.

Now I'm older and more tired and a bit less interested in sex I've settled into accepting a life on my own.

I still feel like a loser. I'm still hurt that I'm one of the ones who isn't able to participate in that aspect of being human. I'm still hurt that no men thought I was good enough for them.

Maybe in time I'll get over it. But I'm still grieving.

Needing love is normal. It's part of being human. We're all born with that desire and it is strong.

It's not about thinking we 'deserve' or are owed anything. It's just a normal desire.

We were all brought up to believe we would be like most people and find something that is normal for most. That's to be expected.

There's no point getting angry at people who are still learning to accept that they can't have what is so simple for the majority of people.



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15 Oct 2017, 2:16 am

I'm.not entitled to a relationship.

No one deserves to be alone, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

But I will give myself the right to self pity.

We have the right to freedom of speech

In an Autistic support forum I don't mind lonely people complainingnher till the cows come home.

Find it annoying? Then leave or ignore the posts.

I won't bottle up my emotions but give myself the right to feel them since that.makes me human.

I have few family, no friends and no relationship. Its ridiculous to expect lonely people to never complain or have to vent off some steam.

Most of the time I feel fine being single, but its still very painful.

I'm more afraid no one will ever love me than being single. If I had a girlfriend for just a year and it was a happy relatipnship I'd feel a whole lot better being single again.

But everywhere in real life and on the internet proves to me it seems no woman will love men like Sly or me if I turn out similar to him in the future (low paying job, lives with parents, etc.)
No mater how much weight he loses or how much of a kind loving person he is.

I only care about looks and personality, always have, always will. And by looks I mean a normal girl who takes care of herself. Not a supermodel or obese uggo who never showers or brushes her teeth and dressed like a hobo on purpose.



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If I were to marry someone and the plan was to conform to traditional gender roles, we had children, and I was the stay at home care giver, then I would expect him to be able to earn enough to support a family such that he could both fulfill our respective roles.

However, if I were the wage earner and he, the care giver, that would be fine with me, provided he actually attended to his domestic duties sufficiently.

If children were not involved, and we both worked, it would be nice if he made more than me, but not a deal breaker. However I would prefer he made enough to at least support himself.

However, regardless, I would not pass up someone I was very attracted to, and who was also very attracted to me, based on earning power alone.

As for single women who refuse to even look at men who earn less than they do, when she, herself earns a high salary, they can stay in their self imposed lonesomeness along with men who are single because they refuse to even consider a woman their age or a few years older.

I think it was OK Cupid that once released an article based on their data, which noted that men would have significantly more success dating on their website if they were more open to dating women their own age.



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If I were to marry someone and the plan was to conform to traditional gender roles, we had children, and I was the stay at home care giver, then I would expect him to be able to earn enough to support a family such that he could both fulfill our respective roles.

However, if I were the wage earner and he, the care giver, that would be fine with me, provided he actually attended to his domestic duties sufficiently.

If children were not involved, and we both worked, it would be nice if he made more than me, but not a deal breaker. However I would prefer he made enough to at least support himself.

However, regardless, I would not pass up someone I was very attracted to, and who was also very attracted to me, based on earning power alone.

As for single women who refuse to even look at men who earn less than they do, when she, herself earns a high salary, they can stay in their self imposed lonesomeness along with men who are single because they refuse to even consider a woman their age or a few years older.

I think it was OK Cupid that once released an article based on their data, which noted that men would have significantly more success dating on their website if they were more open to dating women their own age.


OK Cupid also released data showing that women rated 80% of the men below average, while the men rated 50% of the women below average.

It's largely women who need a reality check, not men.



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If I were to marry someone and the plan was to conform to traditional gender roles, we had children, and I was the stay at home care giver, then I would expect him to be able to earn enough to support a family such that he could both fulfill our respective roles.

However, if I were the wage earner and he, the care giver, that would be fine with me, provided he actually attended to his domestic duties sufficiently.

If children were not involved, and we both worked, it would be nice if he made more than me, but not a deal breaker. However I would prefer he made enough to at least support himself.

However, regardless, I would not pass up someone I was very attracted to, and who was also very attracted to me, based on earning power alone.

As for single women who refuse to even look at men who earn less than they do, when she, herself earns a high salary, they can stay in their self imposed lonesomeness along with men who are single because they refuse to even consider a woman their age or a few years older.

I think it was OK Cupid that once released an article based on their data, which noted that men would have significantly more success dating on their website if they were more open to dating women their own age.


OK Cupid also released data showing that women rated 80% of the men below average, while the men rated 50% of the women below average.

It's largely women who need a reality check, not men.


What if 80% of the men on there are actually below average?



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15 Oct 2017, 3:12 am

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If I were to marry someone and the plan was to conform to traditional gender roles, we had children, and I was the stay at home care giver, then I would expect him to be able to earn enough to support a family such that he could both fulfill our respective roles.

However, if I were the wage earner and he, the care giver, that would be fine with me, provided he actually attended to his domestic duties sufficiently.

If children were not involved, and we both worked, it would be nice if he made more than me, but not a deal breaker. However I would prefer he made enough to at least support himself.

However, regardless, I would not pass up someone I was very attracted to, and who was also very attracted to me, based on earning power alone.

As for single women who refuse to even look at men who earn less than they do, when she, herself earns a high salary, they can stay in their self imposed lonesomeness along with men who are single because they refuse to even consider a woman their age or a few years older.

I think it was OK Cupid that once released an article based on their data, which noted that men would have significantly more success dating on their website if they were more open to dating women their own age.


OK Cupid also released data showing that women rated 80% of the men below average, while the men rated 50% of the women below average.

It's largely women who need a reality check, not men.


It could be that they are rating the men shown to them, which are likely chosen by the algorithm based on not only their preferences, but the preferences of the men. Because most men put preferences for younger women, these women are likely seeing a large number of men who are a little too old for them, and based on my experience, who probably also think "a few extra pounds" means 40lbs overweight.

But let's compare the ideal man and ideal women according to men and women.

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I think the men's ideal of a woman who is a 10 deviates a lot more from the realm of possibility than the woman's idea of a man who is a 10. In any case,

But the reality is, most women don't look like either of those women and most men don't look like either of those men and ugly people get married. This has been discussed before but one of the problems with online dating is it's not a realm in which many of the factors integral to human attraction can be expressed and perceived, so people default to shallow when it comes to looks.



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If I were to marry someone and the plan was to conform to traditional gender roles, we had children, and I was the stay at home care giver, then I would expect him to be able to earn enough to support a family such that he could both fulfill our respective roles.

However, if I were the wage earner and he, the care giver, that would be fine with me, provided he actually attended to his domestic duties sufficiently.

If children were not involved, and we both worked, it would be nice if he made more than me, but not a deal breaker. However I would prefer he made enough to at least support himself.

However, regardless, I would not pass up someone I was very attracted to, and who was also very attracted to me, based on earning power alone.

As for single women who refuse to even look at men who earn less than they do, when she, herself earns a high salary, they can stay in their self imposed lonesomeness along with men who are single because they refuse to even consider a woman their age or a few years older.

I think it was OK Cupid that once released an article based on their data, which noted that men would have significantly more success dating on their website if they were more open to dating women their own age.


OK Cupid also released data showing that women rated 80% of the men below average, while the men rated 50% of the women below average.

It's largely women who need a reality check, not men.


It could be that they are rating the men shown to them, which are likely chosen by the algorithm based on not only their preferences, but the preferences of the men. Because most men put preferences for younger women, these women are likely seeing a large number of men who are a little too old for them, and based on my experience, who probably also think "a few extra pounds" means 40lbs overweight.

But let's compare the ideal man and ideal women according to men and women.

Image

Image

I think the men's ideal of a woman who is a 10 deviates a lot more from the realm of possibility than the woman's idea of a man who is a 10. In any case,

But the reality is, most women don't look like either of those women and most men don't look like either of those men and ugly people get married. This has been discussed before but one of the problems with online dating is it's not a realm in which many of the factors integral to human attraction can be expressed and perceived, so people default to shallow when it comes to looks.


Could be, but you have no evidence for that. A 30% difference is a ALOT. Based on my experience, men are alot less deluded about their weight compared to women.

It's unrealistic in so far that she probably needs implants to look like that, otherwise I'd say they´re pretty equal. But the thing is, men's preferences are generally alot more diverse than what is shown here. I for one vastly prefer the woman on the left.



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Problem with that theory is that every time I went on a date they woman had a good time and said I seemed confident to them.
I don’t ask women out in person cause my anxiety and I’m not good enough. Atleast online they open about it and I can avoid months of build up, stress only to be rejected.
Also apparently just saying I like you want to go on a date isn’t ok.

Even if your anxiety does not ruin your dates, it hinders you from getting dates as it limits you to online dating and online dating is where people judge others most on superficial criterion, because of the amount of people and because things like appearance/job/social status are the things that are most easy to see. It might also prevent you from having a more active social life and getting to know people in a more natural way.
I'm not saying you should walk up to complete strangers and ask them out, as obviously that wouldn't work for most people and even if you weren't anxious it'd not be the ideal way of getting dates.
But any condition that hinders you from having an active social life is also a condition that hinders you from getting to know women in a more natural way that gives them a chance to also get to know your personality instead of just your financial situation before they decide whether they want to try a relationship with you.



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Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
If I were to marry someone and the plan was to conform to traditional gender roles, we had children, and I was the stay at home care giver, then I would expect him to be able to earn enough to support a family such that he could both fulfill our respective roles.

However, if I were the wage earner and he, the care giver, that would be fine with me, provided he actually attended to his domestic duties sufficiently.

If children were not involved, and we both worked, it would be nice if he made more than me, but not a deal breaker. However I would prefer he made enough to at least support himself.

However, regardless, I would not pass up someone I was very attracted to, and who was also very attracted to me, based on earning power alone.

As for single women who refuse to even look at men who earn less than they do, when she, herself earns a high salary, they can stay in their self imposed lonesomeness along with men who are single because they refuse to even consider a woman their age or a few years older.

I think it was OK Cupid that once released an article based on their data, which noted that men would have significantly more success dating on their website if they were more open to dating women their own age.


OK Cupid also released data showing that women rated 80% of the men below average, while the men rated 50% of the women below average.

It's largely women who need a reality check, not men.


It could be that they are rating the men shown to them, which are likely chosen by the algorithm based on not only their preferences, but the preferences of the men. Because most men put preferences for younger women, these women are likely seeing a large number of men who are a little too old for them, and based on my experience, who probably also think "a few extra pounds" means 40lbs overweight.

But let's compare the ideal man and ideal women according to men and women.

Image

Image

I think the men's ideal of a woman who is a 10 deviates a lot more from the realm of possibility than the woman's idea of a man who is a 10. In any case,

But the reality is, most women don't look like either of those women and most men don't look like either of those men and ugly people get married. This has been discussed before but one of the problems with online dating is it's not a realm in which many of the factors integral to human attraction can be expressed and perceived, so people default to shallow when it comes to looks.


Could be, but you have no evidence for that. A 30% difference is a ALOT. Based on my experience, men are alot less deluded about their weight compared to women.

It's unrealistic in so far that she probably needs implants to look like that, otherwise I'd say they´re pretty equal. But the thing is, men's preferences are generally alot more diverse than what is shown here. I for one vastly prefer the woman on the left.


Evidence to show you? No. But have I seen evidence myself being a female on a dating site? Yes. As for weight, perhaps women also think "a few extra pounds" means 40lbs overweight.



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15 Oct 2017, 4:31 am

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What’s wrong with cooking meals at home? What’s wrong with simple used furniture.

But I like my $2,000 couch. I like my $1,200 bed. I love eating out all the time! And going to restaurants is even better when you take your girlfriend!

I don't think I could date a minimum wage girl. One time I was interested in an unemployed girl. She asked to borrow $50 for her medication and never paid it back. Maybe I should just stick to middle class girls.


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Halebop you can't tell people when to stop struggling and give in to the single life. They need to find that on their own. No amount of posting will change anyone's mind.

I've had to reach that point by myself.

I've had years of older women telling me I'll be happier if I stop looking for love and I just thought they were sad and pathetic and I didn't want to be like them. It hurt me more that they thought I was not good enough to be loved.

They were trying to help me find a happier way of living, but i saw it as telling me that I'm a loser.

Now I'm older and more tired and a bit less interested in sex I've settled into accepting a life on my own.

I still feel like a loser. I'm still hurt that I'm one of the ones who isn't able to participate in that aspect of being human. I'm still hurt that no men thought I was good enough for them.

Maybe in time I'll get over it. But I'm still grieving.

Needing love is normal. It's part of being human. We're all born with that desire and it is strong.

It's not about thinking we 'deserve' or are owed anything. It's just a normal desire.

We were all brought up to believe we would be like most people and find something that is normal for most. That's to be expected.

There's no point getting angry at people who are still learning to accept that they can't have what is so simple for the majority of people.


Pretty sure that's a completely different situation. I'm not judging people for wanting love. The problem is they complain about how other people are the problem and refuse to try to improve themselves, self reflect and grow. I don't understand the moaning. Even when I thought that's what I wanted, I didn't moan every time I got turned down. I just don't get it.

When someone says the "expect" something from someone, it means they think they deserve other people to give them a chance when quite frankly, it's not what the other people want.



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If I were to marry someone and the plan was to conform to traditional gender roles, we had children, and I was the stay at home care giver, then I would expect him to be able to earn enough to support a family such that he could both fulfill our respective roles.

However, if I were the wage earner and he, the care giver, that would be fine with me, provided he actually attended to his domestic duties sufficiently.

If children were not involved, and we both worked, it would be nice if he made more than me, but not a deal breaker. However I would prefer he made enough to at least support himself.

However, regardless, I would not pass up someone I was very attracted to, and who was also very attracted to me, based on earning power alone.

As for single women who refuse to even look at men who earn less than they do, when she, herself earns a high salary, they can stay in their self imposed lonesomeness along with men who are single because they refuse to even consider a woman their age or a few years older.

I think it was OK Cupid that once released an article based on their data, which noted that men would have significantly more success dating on their website if they were more open to dating women their own age.


OK Cupid also released data showing that women rated 80% of the men below average, while the men rated 50% of the women below average.

It's largely women who need a reality check, not men.


It could be that they are rating the men shown to them, which are likely chosen by the algorithm based on not only their preferences, but the preferences of the men. Because most men put preferences for younger women, these women are likely seeing a large number of men who are a little too old for them, and based on my experience, who probably also think "a few extra pounds" means 40lbs overweight.

But let's compare the ideal man and ideal women according to men and women.

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I think the men's ideal of a woman who is a 10 deviates a lot more from the realm of possibility than the woman's idea of a man who is a 10. In any case,

But the reality is, most women don't look like either of those women and most men don't look like either of those men and ugly people get married. This has been discussed before but one of the problems with online dating is it's not a realm in which many of the factors integral to human attraction can be expressed and perceived, so people default to shallow when it comes to looks.


Is it weird if I think the perfect female body according to women looks better than the perfect female body according to men, even though I'm a man?


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