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The_Face_of_Boo
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14 Jun 2018, 5:19 pm
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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in chimp societies, alpha =/= jerk
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Countless researchers have documented that alpha males have displayed a variety of behaviors from being jerks, to acting benevolen
Hahaha
, so alpha the true nice fellas now? From where did you make this up? More denial from you as usual.In gorillas, alphas are known to kill the infants of the defeated previous alpha, not a very nice behavior isn’t it?
Niceness/Jerkness may also be a matter of perspective; nice toward who? yeah an alpha gorilla may be benevolent and nice with its females and infants; but he is gonna beat the hell of a beta if he catches him mating with one of his females, that’s why beta gorillas/chimps sneakly mate with females.
Chimps tend to be less violent than gorillas but they aren’t a nice species either at all.
Look, in most mammals species the males compete violently over females, gorillas, chimps, lions, deer, seals, rats even the herbivores... hell, even the gentle giraffes, male giraffe do neck fights where a male tries to use his hard head as a hammer to BREAK the opponent’s neck, the loser probably ends up dying.
Warning: violent content
The alpha male hippos often kill male newborns; baby male hippos always live a life of hiding from the alpha.
Warning: violent content, alpha hippo killing a baby hippo:
Yeah... very nice alphas. You should watch more National geography and...History, instead of creating stories of nice alphas which have nothing with the reality of the jungle; just the usual denial of things.
No, I don't need to watch anything.
I read books. If anyone can supply a good enough reason why I should eschew the research of scientists who have been observing these animals for decades in favor of a few guys who can't get laid, I'm all ears.
Of course, if it makes you feel better that any man who is successful with women is a "jerk," shine on; however, it's not much different than women who decide that the skinny, pretty girl absolutely MUST be a "bit_h." Stop denying: humans are the most socially complex primate species on the planet. There's no simple equation that can define how millions of humans interact with each other.
Oh yeah, deny more, keep burrying your head in the sand and keep claiming that alpha males in animals are loving and nice, seriously?
The animal documentry programs are full of scenes of violent male fights and alphas. committing infacitide and killing, these are recorded videos that cannot be denied, yet here you are denying by a referring to some doubtful book that you didn’t even name.
You’re being so delusional with your idealism.
14 Jun 2018, 5:22 pm
14 Jun 2018, 5:25 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Quote:
in chimp societies, alpha =/= jerk
Quote:
Countless researchers have documented that alpha males have displayed a variety of behaviors from being jerks, to acting benevolen
Hahaha
, so alpha the true nice fellas now? From where did you make this up? More denial from you as usual.In gorillas, alphas are known to kill the infants of the defeated previous alpha, not a very nice behavior isn’t it?
Niceness/Jerkness may also be a matter of perspective; nice toward who? yeah an alpha gorilla may be benevolent and nice with its females and infants; but he is gonna beat the hell of a beta if he catches him mating with one of his females, that’s why beta gorillas/chimps sneakly mate with females.
Chimps tend to be less violent than gorillas but they aren’t a nice species either at all.
Look, in most mammals species the males compete violently over females, gorillas, chimps, lions, deer, seals, rats even the herbivores... hell, even the gentle giraffes, male giraffe do neck fights where a male tries to use his hard head as a hammer to BREAK the opponent’s neck, the loser probably ends up dying.
Warning: violent content
The alpha male hippos often kill male newborns; baby male hippos always live a life of hiding from the alpha.
Warning: violent content, alpha hippo killing a baby hippo:
Yeah... very nice alphas. You should watch more National geography and...History, instead of creating stories of nice alphas which have nothing with the reality of the jungle; just the usual denial of things.
No, I don't need to watch anything.
I read books. If anyone can supply a good enough reason why I should eschew the research of scientists who have been observing these animals for decades in favor of a few guys who can't get laid, I'm all ears.
Of course, if it makes you feel better that any man who is successful with women is a "jerk," shine on; however, it's not much different than women who decide that the skinny, pretty girl absolutely MUST be a "bit_h." Stop denying: humans are the most socially complex primate species on the planet. There's no simple equation that can define how millions of humans interact with each other.
Oh yeah, deny more, keep burrying your head in the sand and keep claiming that alpha males in animals are loving and nice, seriously?
The animal documentry programs are full of scenes of violent male fights and alphas. committing infacitide and killing, these are recorded videos that cannot be denied, yet here you are denying by a referring to some doubtful book that you didn’t even name.
You’re being so delusional with your idealism.
It's not "idealism," it's truth.
Humans are the most socially complex species on the planet, and alpha =/= jerk.
Posts like yours just remind me why I view "evolutionary psychology" as complete sh_t.
The_Face_of_Boo
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14 Jun 2018, 5:36 pm
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Quote:
in chimp societies, alpha =/= jerk
Quote:
Countless researchers have documented that alpha males have displayed a variety of behaviors from being jerks, to acting benevolen
Hahaha
, so alpha the true nice fellas now? From where did you make this up? More denial from you as usual.In gorillas, alphas are known to kill the infants of the defeated previous alpha, not a very nice behavior isn’t it?
Niceness/Jerkness may also be a matter of perspective; nice toward who? yeah an alpha gorilla may be benevolent and nice with its females and infants; but he is gonna beat the hell of a beta if he catches him mating with one of his females, that’s why beta gorillas/chimps sneakly mate with females.
Chimps tend to be less violent than gorillas but they aren’t a nice species either at all.
Look, in most mammals species the males compete violently over females, gorillas, chimps, lions, deer, seals, rats even the herbivores... hell, even the gentle giraffes, male giraffe do neck fights where a male tries to use his hard head as a hammer to BREAK the opponent’s neck, the loser probably ends up dying.
Warning: violent content
The alpha male hippos often kill male newborns; baby male hippos always live a life of hiding from the alpha.
Warning: violent content, alpha hippo killing a baby hippo:
Yeah... very nice alphas. You should watch more National geography and...History, instead of creating stories of nice alphas which have nothing with the reality of the jungle; just the usual denial of things.
No, I don't need to watch anything.
I read books. If anyone can supply a good enough reason why I should eschew the research of scientists who have been observing these animals for decades in favor of a few guys who can't get laid, I'm all ears.
Of course, if it makes you feel better that any man who is successful with women is a "jerk," shine on; however, it's not much different than women who decide that the skinny, pretty girl absolutely MUST be a "bit_h." Stop denying: humans are the most socially complex primate species on the planet. There's no simple equation that can define how millions of humans interact with each other.
Oh yeah, deny more, keep burrying your head in the sand and keep claiming that alpha males in animals are loving and nice, seriously?
The animal documentry programs are full of scenes of violent male fights and alphas. committing infacitide and killing, these are recorded videos that cannot be denied, yet here you are denying by a referring to some doubtful book that you didn’t even name.
You’re being so delusional with your idealism.
It's not "idealism," it's truth.
Humans are the most socially complex species on the planet, and alpha =/= jerk.
Posts like yours just remind me why I view "evolutionary psychology" as complete sh_t.
1- You said : Further more, in chimp societies, alpha =/= jerk.
So you were talking about chimps, not humans
2- I showed you videos of alpha violence among animals, and there are plenty out there about male chimp violence; these are documentary programs from reputable animal channels, not some evolutionary psychology.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/21 ... er-tyrant/
They loved him so much, he must have been a very nice alpha.
Seriously, to which planet’s chimps you were referring to?
14 Jun 2018, 5:57 pm
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14 Jun 2018, 6:27 pm
14 Jun 2018, 6:36 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Quote:
in chimp societies, alpha =/= jerk
Quote:
Countless researchers have documented that alpha males have displayed a variety of behaviors from being jerks, to acting benevolen
Hahaha
, so alpha the true nice fellas now? From where did you make this up? More denial from you as usual.In gorillas, alphas are known to kill the infants of the defeated previous alpha, not a very nice behavior isn’t it?
Niceness/Jerkness may also be a matter of perspective; nice toward who? yeah an alpha gorilla may be benevolent and nice with its females and infants; but he is gonna beat the hell of a beta if he catches him mating with one of his females, that’s why beta gorillas/chimps sneakly mate with females.
Chimps tend to be less violent than gorillas but they aren’t a nice species either at all.
Look, in most mammals species the males compete violently over females, gorillas, chimps, lions, deer, seals, rats even the herbivores... hell, even the gentle giraffes, male giraffe do neck fights where a male tries to use his hard head as a hammer to BREAK the opponent’s neck, the loser probably ends up dying.
Warning: violent content
The alpha male hippos often kill male newborns; baby male hippos always live a life of hiding from the alpha.
Warning: violent content, alpha hippo killing a baby hippo:
Yeah... very nice alphas. You should watch more National geography and...History, instead of creating stories of nice alphas which have nothing with the reality of the jungle; just the usual denial of things.
No, I don't need to watch anything.
I read books. If anyone can supply a good enough reason why I should eschew the research of scientists who have been observing these animals for decades in favor of a few guys who can't get laid, I'm all ears.
Of course, if it makes you feel better that any man who is successful with women is a "jerk," shine on; however, it's not much different than women who decide that the skinny, pretty girl absolutely MUST be a "bit_h." Stop denying: humans are the most socially complex primate species on the planet. There's no simple equation that can define how millions of humans interact with each other.
Oh yeah, deny more, keep burrying your head in the sand and keep claiming that alpha males in animals are loving and nice, seriously?
The animal documentry programs are full of scenes of violent male fights and alphas. committing infacitide and killing, these are recorded videos that cannot be denied, yet here you are denying by a referring to some doubtful book that you didn’t even name.
You’re being so delusional with your idealism.
It's not "idealism," it's truth.
Humans are the most socially complex species on the planet, and alpha =/= jerk.
Posts like yours just remind me why I view "evolutionary psychology" as complete sh_t.
1- You said : Further more, in chimp societies, alpha =/= jerk.
So you were talking about chimps, not humans
2- I showed you videos of alpha violence among animals, and there are plenty out there about male chimp violence; these are documentary programs from reputable animal channels, not some evolutionary psychology.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/21 ... er-tyrant/
They loved him so much, he must have been a very nice alpha.
Seriously, to which planet’s chimps you were referring to?
Chimps are much more nuanced than we give them credit for.
Being a psycho-arsehole is no guarantee of "dominance." In fact, researchers have observed violent, "psycho," chimps getting beat down. A male's "dominance" is based on how well he manages his social connections, not how violent he is.
Oh, and bonobos are not "non-violent," they're just somewhat less violent than common chimps. Female bonobos have demonstrated exquisite cruelty.
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21 Jun 2018, 6:08 pm
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That's a good one.
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