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The_Face_of_Boo
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22 Mar 2019, 5:01 am

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I had no idea who she was but it looks like her "average girl" look is very intentional and part of her artistic persona.
(Amy Schumer video)
It makes me wonder... if you intentionally embrace average girl look, does it automatically make you a feminist?
I happen to think she looks adorable in this video.



To me it looked like 4 pretty teen boys are flirting her.

Is it just me?



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22 Mar 2019, 5:26 am

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I recall there were even women here on WP, often Americans, who would justify male circumcision because “it is not as bad as FGM, it is just a piece of skin” or something like that. Pure backwardness, I have no respect for such “opinions”.

Yeah, and they tend to be the same people who say "my body, my choice!" regarding abortion, which is ridiculously hypocritical.

The idea that just because circumcision isn't as bad as FGM that we should allow baby boys to be circumcised without their consent, is like saying we should allow people to go around punching others in the face because it's not as bad as murder.



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22 Mar 2019, 6:55 am

MaxE wrote:
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I had no idea who she was but it looks like her "average girl" look is very intentional and part of her artistic persona.
(Amy Schumer video)
It makes me wonder... if you intentionally embrace average girl look, does it automatically make you a feminist?
I happen to think she looks adorable in this video.

I think she looks very good with all the make up removed - only she should change peach pink jacket to raspberry pink to compliment her natural skin tone. Pink and brown are the trickiest colors to wear, probably because they are so close to natural human skin colors.

I'm not sure those boys are teenagers, grad students at my uni often look like that.
If I take any issue with this video - my expirience is, her female "friends" would sing it, not boys.


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22 Mar 2019, 7:14 am

magz wrote:
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I had no idea who she was but it looks like her "average girl" look is very intentional and part of her artistic persona.
(Amy Schumer video)
It makes me wonder... if you intentionally embrace average girl look, does it automatically make you a feminist?
I happen to think she looks adorable in this video.

I think she looks very good with all the make up removed - only she should change peach pink jacket to raspberry pink to compliment her natural skin tone. Pink and brown are the trickiest colors to wear, probably because they are so close to natural human skin colors.

I'm not sure those boys are teenagers, grad students at my uni often look like that.
If I take any issue with this video - my expirience is, her female "friends" would sing it, not boys.
They're most likely a well known boy group but I am not a member of the demographic that would know.


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22 Mar 2019, 7:16 am

I bet, if I wasn't circumcised, that I would have "sensory issues" when I have sex. It just might be too intense.

To be honest, the effects of Female Genital Mutilation is greater than in male circumcision. In the former, sexual pleasure is taken away; in the latter, sexual feelings are slightly reduced.



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22 Mar 2019, 7:35 am

"Slightly reduced" in that many are left so scarred that their genitals are no longer functional, not to mention the 200-300 annual deaths (in the US) from what is essentially cosmetic surgery without anesthesia performed on infants.

And again people insist on comparing the worst form of female genital mutilation to the mildest form of male genital mutilation, and then act as though the fact that one is less severe somehow makes it more okay. Ask yourselves this: would you be okay with slicing off the clitoral hood of infant girls without anathesics, because maybe future partners will think it looks neater, and it might be slightly easier to clean?


(also, the "easier to clean" argument should always be paired with the caveat "for a civilization that hasn't yet invented soap".)


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22 Mar 2019, 8:18 am

I'm not exactly an "advocate" for circumcision.

It's terrible if boys and men are left with a non-functioning penis because of circumcision. If this happened to them, I would feel precisely the same as for a girl/woman who was the victim of FGM.

Obviously, the 200-300 deaths cannot be condoned.

In truth, though, male circumcision did not affect most men the way FGM affects most women. Not to say that we shouldn't feel fully for the men whose circumcision rendered them incapable of feeling sexual pleasure.



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22 Mar 2019, 9:49 am

You're still thinking of full clitorectomy and infibulation as the only form that FGM takes. It's the least common form, not the most.


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22 Mar 2019, 1:43 pm

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Please refrain from using the term "ret*d" as an insult. Thanks.

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Also, male circumcision is bullsh_t. Snipping-off parts of male bodies without their consent is freaking gross.


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22 Mar 2019, 2:15 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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I agree with your mother.
I don't see any fundamental difference between infant circumcision for no reason and the so much deplored female genital mutilation. To me, both are equally barbaric - maybe because both are virtually absent in my culture.


The occurence of FGM is waaaaay less common than male circumcision, the former only happens in the most backward regions of the world, and still there’s much more uproar in media about it than the male circumcision that was happening to 90% of American newborn boys and still is still happening to virtually all newborn boys in the Muslim/Jewish world. :roll:

I recall there were even women here on WP, often Americans, who would justify male circumcision because “it is not as bad as FGM, it is just a piece of skin” or something like that. Pure backwardness, I have no respect for such “opinions”.

This is another example how far the media doesn’t care about boys/males, the world doesn’t care about males’ sufferings in general, some hundreds baby girls get FMG and the whole world uproars and gets crazy, we have seen countless of news segments, UN reports and even documentary films on the FGM subject,
but millions, probably reached bilions of baby boys get mutilited officially in hospitals for centuries? No one bats an eye.

And now I expect some member to tell me to stop “whining” about this, no I will not, and if he/she sees this is a non-issue then he/she is an another ret*d backward in my book. This topic is just like Rape, it can’t have a “gray” opinion.

If in the past fgm had been done on 90% of women it’d be seen as the norm and people would defend it. Anything bad if normalized doesn’t seem bad it’s just normal. But it didn’t become normal, if religious people and earlier doctors said it was medically needed it’s been normal and since most of the population had it done they wouldn’t see it as bad. Some Women who have had it done want it done on their daughters cause or was done on them, their mom, their grandma, it’s just normal why wouldn’t it be done they say.
Anything can be normalized and made ok it’s quite concerning. Just cause it’s what our ancestors did doesn’t make it right


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22 Mar 2019, 2:20 pm

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I'm not exactly an "advocate" for circumcision.

It's terrible if boys and men are left with a non-functioning penis because of circumcision. If this happened to them, I would feel precisely the same as for a girl/woman who was the victim of FGM.

Obviously, the 200-300 deaths cannot be condoned.

In truth, though, male circumcision did not affect most men the way FGM affects most women. Not to say that we shouldn't feel fully for the men whose circumcision rendered them incapable of feeling sexual pleasure.


I dont know you seem to be defending it. You could say both are bad and should be banned instead of explains why one isn’t as bad and should be allowed.

It shouldn’t be a but something is worse.
That’s a defensive stance.
Kids being abused is worse then animals being abused but we still condem anmaip abuse and when talked about no one points out child abuse is worse.

Are you ok with removing the vagina lips from baby girls who have extranal lips so they have innies.
Yeah i dont know the proper terms for all this, but I know theirs outside lips and inside lips. And lots of women feel self-conscious about outies. I don’t think such fgm should be allowe even though it likely doesn’t effect sexual pleasure much.


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22 Mar 2019, 2:21 pm

Can we talk about ASD disclosure instead of ritualistic child abuse please?

I really want to know when being an aspie is suddenly an actual commonplace topic & not this cliché "freak of the week" type of sensationalism.

We need to know when that's finally happening.


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22 Mar 2019, 2:27 pm

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Can we talk about ASD disclosure instead of ritualistic child abuse please?

I really want to know when being an aspie is suddenly an actual commonplace topic & not this cliché "freak of the week" type of sensationalism.

We need to know when that's finally happening.

Never, we won’t ever be accepted or seen as normal.
Humans have always disliked things and people who are different. It’s a biological protection mechanism.


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22 Mar 2019, 2:28 pm

Perhaps that's true of boring people, plenty of other people are much more curious than that. That kind of thinking slams a lot of doors in a lot of faces, including ours.


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22 Mar 2019, 2:57 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm not exactly an "advocate" for circumcision.

It's terrible if boys and men are left with a non-functioning penis because of circumcision. If this happened to them, I would feel precisely the same as for a girl/woman who was the victim of FGM.

Obviously, the 200-300 deaths cannot be condoned.

In truth, though, male circumcision did not affect most men the way FGM affects most women. Not to say that we shouldn't feel fully for the men whose circumcision rendered them incapable of feeling sexual pleasure.

Death and inhibition of sexual function are rare with circumcision, and the worst case scenario, but even if 100% of male circumcision did not cause death or interfere with sexual function, in fact even if it made sex better, it should be up to the individual to make the choice to get circumcised when they're old enough. Their body, their choice



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22 Mar 2019, 3:11 pm

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Perhaps that's true of boring people, plenty of other people are much more curious than that. That kind of thinking slams a lot of doors in a lot of faces, including ours.

Weren’t been around for who knows how long and we still aren’t accepted by most people. We are still stigmatized by most. It’s better they dont kill us(besides abortions) or lock us up anymore(except UK). But no I don’t feel accepted and it’s a big turn off for relationships. Hasn’t been any progress in my lifetime and I don’t expect their to be before I die.
It’s just reality. I wish we wouldn’t be stigmatized and rejected and have to be alone but we do :cry:


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