What is your Concept of Romantic LOVE? Please DEFINE it.
Clueless2017 wrote:
My brain is neuro-typical...I know this with certainty...I tested it recently...But i am certainly NOT the average NT...
Women typically are missed in ASD evaluations, and so if it wasn't Aspie Quiz http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php, which is neutral in regards to gender, then I will continue to have my doubts.
Clueless2017 wrote:
I am ENFJ, N for INTUITIVE, F for FEELER...My feeling is extroverted, so i feel strongly and i have no protection for my feelings...Although i have a logical brain, i rely on my feelings instead for decision-making...This makes me very empathetic and compassionate by nature...My E for extrovertion is misleading...My numbers bend slightly towards extroversion with a minimal difference of 12 points from introversion...According to experts, there is one ENFJ for every 100...And each ENFJ is unique in his or her own way as are all human beings...
I'm INTP.
The major difference between NTs and NDs lies in the introversion-extroversion component, and so if you are in the middle here it means you likely have both NT and ND traits.
Clueless2017 wrote:
Furthermore, i was born with EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE...I did not realize i had this gift until my mature years...
Emotional intelligence is a misnomer just like empathy. It only means that you naturally express your feelings in a similar way as the majority.
Clueless2017 wrote:
I am a professional researcher as are all Legal Assistants...So, at present-time, i am researching ASD to better understand and to better love my beloved husband...
Great. I started researching ASD because of my children.
Clueless2017 wrote:
Indeed, UNCONDITIONAL LOVE is rare even among family members ..I am blessed to have been raised by a mother who displays altruism at its most beautiful form...And i have been the recipient of her selfless love...I don't think i have attained that quality of love yet...But i keep striving in my relationship to my beloved husband...
I think unconditional love comes naturally to me. That's always my default when it comes to romance, and if that is not reciprocated, I will lose interest.
hurtloam wrote:
I understand the idea of learning to enjoy hugs.
I'm not a hugger. I really don't know if this is an aspie or a fybromyalgia thing or something about being bullied and not trusting people in my space. It's an effort for me and a bit uncomfortable.
One of my friends commented that I was "getting better at hugs."
Actually, the reason was that I had become more comfortable with that friend group and I now actually liked them and wanted to show affection. I trusted them. I felt like it was nice to hug them and it had become more than just an uncomfortable formality.
I'm not a hugger. I really don't know if this is an aspie or a fybromyalgia thing or something about being bullied and not trusting people in my space. It's an effort for me and a bit uncomfortable.
One of my friends commented that I was "getting better at hugs."
Actually, the reason was that I had become more comfortable with that friend group and I now actually liked them and wanted to show affection. I trusted them. I felt like it was nice to hug them and it had become more than just an uncomfortable formality.
Thank you for sharing your experience. My mother is not autistic nor is my father. In my extended family, we have one boy on the spectrum. He is my cousin's grandson.
The reason i mention this is because my NT Mom had serious issues with physical closeness. When my sister did her first communion with my Mom present, of course. The priest ask all the participants to hug their mother. My Mom's reaction was rude!! ! She scolded my poor sister and pushed her away right in front of everyone in the Church. If you met my maternal grandma, you would understand my Mom's reaction. I did not want my siblings to grow-up deprived of physical affection, so at a young age i began to take the initiative in shows of affection. And both my brother and my sister respond really well to those shows of affection.
Decades after, who would imagine that my Mom would be the one offering hugs to her adult children and grandchildren...What brought about such a drastic change in her???...Her becoming a Christian and embracing the affection of congregation friends. This small change had a huge impact in her mood. She is much happier now.
rdos wrote:
Clueless2017 wrote:
Please know that there is an infatuation period usually within the first three months of a relationship that gradually fades away...In these few months, more or less, you both feel a very strong physical attraction, like what you describe above...But the question remains: Will this phase, often called the honeymoon stage, survive the test of time
I was in the infatuation phase for three years. It only faded as the mind-to-mind communication had developped to such a extent that it could replace it.
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You are right...Most experts would agree that this honeymoon stage could extend for two or three years in long-term relationships...Because it is hormonal in nature, for the wellbeing of those involved, it must wine down...
What you are describing above is actually reaching a level of deep and profound love...However, in the NT world, this does NOT replaces sexual intimacy...And so, one of the dangerous years for marriages coincides with the third year of marriage...When the physical attraction wines down, and they realize they are not sexually compatible...
Interestingly those couples who are able to rekindle the flame per se are reportedly sexually active well into their golden age...I am not making this up...The elderly may be discreet, but many of them remain sexually active well into their seventies if not beyond...
rdos wrote:
Clueless2017 wrote:
My brain is neuro-typical...I know this with certainty...I tested it recently...But i am certainly NOT the average NT...
Women typically are missed in ASD evaluations, and so if it wasn't Aspie Quiz http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php, which is neutral in regards to gender, then I will continue to have my doubts.
Believe me if i were ASD, i would gladly disclose it here and everywhere without hesitation...Because as i commented on a different thread, ASD seems to retain some beautiful child-like qualities many NTs seem to lose in their life's journey...
Clueless2017 wrote:
I am ENFJ, N for INTUITIVE, F for FEELER...My feeling is extroverted, so i feel strongly and i have no protection for my feelings...Although i have a logical brain, i rely on my feelings instead for decision-making...This makes me very empathetic and compassionate by nature...My E for extrovertion is misleading...My numbers bend slightly towards extroversion with a minimal difference of 12 points from introversion...According to experts, there is one ENFJ for every 100...And each ENFJ is unique in his or her own way as are all human beings...
I'm INTP.
The major difference between NTs and NDs lies in the introversion-extroversion component, and so if you are in the middle here it means you likely have both NT and ND traits.
Actually, Carl Young's personality theory has nothing to do with autistic traits...There is no scientific correlation here other than the fact that most lf you on the spectrum type as INTJ...I know because this is one of my interests...By the way, NTs have interests too, but we call these HOBBIES...
Clueless2017 wrote:
Furthermore, i was born with EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE...I did not realize i had this gift until my mature years...
Emotional intelligence is a misnomer just like empathy. It only means that you naturally express your feelings in a similar way as the majority.
Actually, nooo!! !...There are a few well identified types of intelligence...Only about nine or eleven, if my recollection is correct...And when you posses one of these, it is not at an average level...It is innate, like the friend who never studied music yet can play a musical instrument "by ear"...Or the mechanic who never studied engineering but is a genius...
Clueless2017 wrote:
I am a professional researcher as are all Legal Assistants...So, at present-time, i am researching ASD to better understand and to better love my beloved husband...
Great. I started researching ASD because of my children.
Well done...I commend you for this...
Clueless2017 wrote:
Indeed, UNCONDITIONAL LOVE is rare even among family members ..I am blessed to have been raised by a mother who displays altruism at its most beautiful form...And i have been the recipient of her selfless love...I don't think i have attained that quality of love yet...But i keep striving in my relationship to my beloved husband...
I think unconditional love comes naturally to me. That's always my default when it comes to romance, and if that is not reciprocated, I will lose interest.
The fact that you lose interest is proof that it is NOT unconditional from your behalf...Though it is understandable that you lose interest and even healthy...Unconditional love is when you love the person just because he or she EXISTS...When i am sad, my beloved husband has told me, "If i knew that giving you all my money would make you happy right now, i would...But i know money does not makes you happy"...And he is right, if a woman is with a man for his money, it is not love; hispanics call it a "marriage of convenience"...Anyway, i continue to work towards improving the quality of my love...
Clueless2017 wrote:
The fact that you lose interest is proof that it is NOT unconditional from your behalf...
More like self-protection. Unconditional love requires 100% trust, and if I have doubts in that area, I will lose interest not to get seriously hurt by one-sided love. If I trust my love interest, I will never lose interest.
Clueless2017 wrote:
Though it is understandable that you lose interest and even healthy...Unconditional love is when you love the person just because he or she EXISTS...When i am sad, my beloved husband has told me, "If i knew that giving you all my money would make you happy right now, i would...But i know money does not makes you happy"...And he is right, if a woman is with a man for his money, it is not love; hispanics call it a "marriage of convenience"...Anyway, i continue to work towards improving the quality of my love...
Right, but the dating culture teaches us that we should move on quickly even when there are only minor problems because "the grass is always greaner somewhere else". The reasoning is that we can always find somebody new since we can be matched with millions of people, and so why settle for something that's not perfect? This might work for NTs that indeed have large pools of potential partners, but it's no good for NDs.
Clueless2017 wrote:
What you are describing above is actually reaching a level of deep and profound love...However, in the NT world, this does NOT replaces sexual intimacy...And so, one of the dangerous years for marriages coincides with the third year of marriage...When the physical attraction wines down, and they realize they are not sexually compatible...
Interestingly those couples who are able to rekindle the flame per se are reportedly sexually active well into their golden age...I am not making this up...The elderly may be discreet, but many of them remain sexually active well into their seventies if not beyond...
Interestingly those couples who are able to rekindle the flame per se are reportedly sexually active well into their golden age...I am not making this up...The elderly may be discreet, but many of them remain sexually active well into their seventies if not beyond...
The issue of sexual intimacy is very complex in neurodiversity. It's easy to draw the false conclusion that just because so many NDs are asexual, it means they lack sexual attraction (which is the definition of being asexual), but this simply is not true. The main reason why NDs (and particularly women) identify as asexual is because sexual intercourse feels disgusting to them. The other side of the "coin" is that more NDs than NTs are hypersexual. This might sound contradictionary, but being hypersexual doesn't necesarily mean wanting to have lots of sexual intercourse, and it indeed is linked to paraphilias, fetishes and unusual sexual preferences rather than vanilla sexual preferences. And hypersexuality is not only a male ND thing, it's just as common among female NDs.
So, having a distance thing doesn't necessarily mean it will be platonic since it is very possible to use the mind-to-mind communication link for sex. Which probably is significant for explaining the high levels of asexuality too. After all, sex is typically mostly in the mind, at least when it is good, and not just a physical act.
rdos wrote:
Clueless2017 wrote:
The fact that you lose interest is proof that it is NOT unconditional from your behalf...
More like self-protection. Unconditional love requires 100% trust, and if I have doubts in that area, I will lose interest not to get seriously hurt by one-sided love. If I trust my love interest, I will never lose interest.
Clueless2017 wrote:
Though it is understandable that you lose interest and even healthy...Unconditional love is when you love the person just because he or she EXISTS...When i am sad, my beloved husband has told me, "If i knew that giving you all my money would make you happy right now, i would...But i know money does not makes you happy"...And he is right, if a woman is with a man for his money, it is not love; hispanics call it a "marriage of convenience"...Anyway, i continue to work towards improving the quality of my love...
Right, but the dating culture teaches us that we should move on quickly even when there are only minor problems because "the grass is always greaner somewhere else". The reasoning is that we can always find somebody new since we can be matched with millions of people, and so why settle for something that's not perfect? This might work for NTs that indeed have large pools of potential partners, but it's no good for NDs.
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The grass in not always greener on the other side...I just may seem from a distance...From a closer look, you may realize it is much worse...
The problem with moving quickly from one relationship to the next is that you miss out on a great opportunity to grow and become a better partner...Whatever issues you have that resulted in the break-up of your last relationship, do not get resolved...And you end-up carrying these with you to your next and your next and your next relationship...
Past generations got it RIGHT...They stayed together to work things out through thick and thin...They literally grew- up together and grew old together; thus overtime became ONE...So much so, that their heat beat follows the same rhythm (there is scientific proof of this phenomenon)...
rdos wrote:
I think unconditional love comes naturally to me. That's always my default when it comes to romance, and if that is not reciprocated, I will lose interest.
I'm like that, too. I'm surprised that people mix up unconditional love with being stupid. If love is only one sided in a relationship, then it's not a relationship anymore, regardless of whether it's unconditional love from that one side.
rdos wrote:
The reasoning is that we can always find somebody new since we can be matched with millions of people, and so why settle for something that's not perfect? This might work for NTs that indeed have large pools of potential partners, but it's no good for NDs.
It's just the plain old truth.
Finding a needle in a haystack is easier than finding a ND woman with high above average intelligence and with more or less what they call the Endogenous Personality.
Going by Kazimierz Dąbrowski's 'Positive Disintegration' theory, for a relationship to truly work, both ND persons have to be on at least Level III in a non-static way, changing, moving on to the next Levels (but higher Levels are preferred).
Now go find a woman like that among all those masking, hiding ND females. Good luck.
Clueless2017 wrote:
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Thank you for sharing...Are you really 19 years young?...You sound very mature for your age...
Please know that there is an infatuation period usually within the first three months of a relationship that gradually fades away...In these few months, more or less, you both feel a very strong physical attraction, like what you describe above...But the question remains: Will this phase, often called the honeymoon stage, survive the test of time
With respect to my beloved Aspie husband and i, those feelings you describe above prevail to this day, at almost two years of marriage...I wish you the very best in your interpersonal relationships...And i sincerely hope you experience a lasting love In your near future...
Thank you for sharing...Are you really 19 years young?...You sound very mature for your age...
Please know that there is an infatuation period usually within the first three months of a relationship that gradually fades away...In these few months, more or less, you both feel a very strong physical attraction, like what you describe above...But the question remains: Will this phase, often called the honeymoon stage, survive the test of time
With respect to my beloved Aspie husband and i, those feelings you describe above prevail to this day, at almost two years of marriage...I wish you the very best in your interpersonal relationships...And i sincerely hope you experience a lasting love In your near future...
I certainly am aware that there's the "honeymoon phase". There's been times where I got over that, but in my longer term relationships I've stayed relatively infatuated with people, I don't know why. lol I think that was part of the issue with my last relationship, because I was still very, very in love with my partner while after a couple years he got over that infatuation and started getting irritated by a lot of my autistic traits.
wastubricine wrote:
rdos wrote:
The reasoning is that we can always find somebody new since we can be matched with millions of people, and so why settle for something that's not perfect? This might work for NTs that indeed have large pools of potential partners, but it's no good for NDs.
It's just the plain old truth.
Finding a needle in a haystack is easier than finding a ND woman with high above average intelligence and with more or less what they call the Endogenous Personality.
Going by Kazimierz Dąbrowski's 'Positive Disintegration' theory, for a relationship to truly work, both ND persons have to be on at least Level III in a non-static way, changing, moving on to the next Levels (but higher Levels are preferred).
Now go find a woman like that among all those masking, hiding ND females. Good luck.
This is nothing new and just positive psychology, borrowed from person-centred theory. Neither of these theories are unique or novel.
Psychosocial development is never linear nor set to any definite age or order to progress or not - it is theory from lots of research and practice over many years. The above just read a few books.
Where is the truth here?
Temeraire wrote:
Psychosocial development is never linear nor set to any definite age or order to progress or not - it is theory from lots of research and practice over many years. The above just read a few books.
Research and practice that has exclusively focused on NTs and their preferences. I don't think much if anything of NT psychosocial development is relevant for NDs.
rdos wrote:
Temeraire wrote:
Psychosocial development is never linear nor set to any definite age or order to progress or not - it is theory from lots of research and practice over many years. The above just read a few books.
Research and practice that has exclusively focused on NTs and their preferences. I don't think much if anything of NT psychosocial development is relevant for NDs.
Rdos, my comments were really aimed at the Wastebrick and the flimsy links posted.
But yes you are quite right about a great deal of psychology which was developed before we took any notice of ND's and their needs. Also most theories were developed by NT's.
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