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12 Aug 2007, 7:42 pm

Newsflash: You don't have to have kids to buy the toys!

Good thing too, or I wouldn't have my prime collection of pre-1980 Archie comics digests.

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12 Aug 2007, 7:44 pm

It's not illogical to want to have children.

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12 Aug 2007, 7:48 pm

calandale wrote:

juliekitty wrote:

I agree, but the NT's - especially the NT women - seem desperate to get them.

Maybe they taste good?

ROFLMAO!!

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12 Aug 2007, 7:56 pm

juliekitty wrote:

Newsflash: You don't have to have kids to buy the toys!

But it's a good excuse.

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12 Aug 2007, 7:57 pm

RainSong wrote:

It's not illogical to want to have children.

No? Well, explain then, because I've never gotten the whole "have a kid" thing.

The only part of it that makes sense to me is, "you'll have someone there for you when you're old". Which isn't good enough for me -- it smacks of those old science fiction movies where the mad scientist says, "I will create an army of slaves to do my bidding!"

If there's more to it than that - and I mean in terms of LOGIC, not the biological drive to perpetuate the species, or the desire to create people who'll love you the way people only love their mommies and daddies - then clue me in!

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12 Aug 2007, 8:00 pm

Most people have kids for selfish reasons really, they want them because they grow up in a society where most people leave school, leave home, get a job, get married, have kids. And a lot of them (particularly young people) like the idea of having a little baby to look after. Gives them some meaning to their lives.

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12 Aug 2007, 8:19 pm

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It's not illogical to want to have children.

Nope. Merely selfish, if one sees
the world as fundamentally evil
as I do.

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12 Aug 2007, 11:31 pm

juliekitty wrote:

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It's not illogical to want to have children.

I don't know how much logic there is in these desires... but I can see how they exist outside of pure biological reasons.

If you have a desire to create something truly unique (unique in the sense that it won't be like anybody else... obviously there are many children out there) then having a child seems like a fine desire.

Raising something that is ultimately a benefit to society... to be able to care and raise that. Nothing seems illogical about that...

People are only a drain on society for their first years... eventually they can grow and give back more than what they took initially.

Children can surprise you with their creativity... if your child makes something that you could never make... but still know that in some way you helped... that seems like a good desire.

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12 Aug 2007, 11:35 pm

Still all fundamentally selfish.

Pugly wrote:

If you have a desire to create something truly unique (unique in the sense that it won't be like anybody else... obviously there are many children out there) then having a child seems like a fine desire.

Put MY stamp out on the world.

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Raising something that is ultimately a benefit to society... to be able to care and raise that. Nothing seems illogical about that...

MY kid, the doctor.

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People are only a drain on society for their first years... eventually they can grow and give back more than what they took initially.

Aye, but again, someone else
will do it anyway. No reason to
be part of the problem.

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Children can surprise you with their creativity... if your child makes something that you could never make... but still know that in some way you helped... that seems like a good desire.

See the first answer.

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12 Aug 2007, 11:44 pm

calandale wrote:

Still all fundamentally selfish.

Meh, so what. If it's selfish... but still creates something good then I have no problem with that.

If someone who has a successful company that provides a needed service to the world... does it for selfish means... there's no wrong done.

As someone dear to me is dying, the desire to create life is growing even stronger.

There are probably those who are just giving by nature... those who just want to create a life so they can care for it... and give all of themselves. I am not that giving... but I believe there are people out there who do have this personality... and there is nothing wrong with them wanting to satisfy that need.

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13 Aug 2007, 8:21 pm

I don't agree that creating more humans is a good thing.

There are already far too many.

And most of them are a drain as long as they live, as far as I can see.

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13 Aug 2007, 8:22 pm

Pugly wrote:

those who just want to create a life so they can care for it... and give all of themselves.

There are plenty of children waiting for adoptive homes.

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13 Aug 2007, 8:22 pm

juliekitty wrote:

There are already far too many.

Agreed. And there's only one good
solution.

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13 Aug 2007, 8:40 pm

I really don't think I'll ever want children... if I every marry then I'll have to make sure my partner doesn't want them either. :lol: But then I'd know about that before marrying.

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14 Aug 2007, 12:28 am

juliekitty wrote:

And most of them are a drain as long as they live, as far as I can see.

Are people really that big of a drain?

I don't think the human race would have survived if the vast majority of us are a drain on society.

It seems like most people produce more than they take in...

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14 Aug 2007, 9:40 am

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I don't think the human race would have survived if the vast majority of us are a drain on society.

Obviously. The drain is humanity and society.

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It seems like most people produce more than they take in...

'Stuff' can neither be created nor destroyed,
under the current scientific view.

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