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22 Feb 2023, 1:07 am

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We really (in general) have to learn to respect each other more.


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Well said.


Can respect be taught?

I was involved in a program for teaching empathy and respect to children.
I took my daughter to the local elementary school when she was a baby.
The students were about 6-7 years old.
They got to watch me take care of her and play with her.
They saw her growing older and developing new skills over time.
They asked a lot of questions and grew to really care about her.

The idea was all of us are just as special as a new baby.
Just because we grew bigger we were still worthy of care and respect.


It was a really enriching experience.


Nice idea, but that isn't how the real world works, however.


Ha. This.


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22 Feb 2023, 1:14 am

It seems a few people fell off the turnip truck and didn't learn a thing. ^


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22 Feb 2023, 1:18 am

Please don't tell me this thread was discreetly aimed at me to 'teach me something'.


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22 Feb 2023, 1:41 am

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Please don't tell me this thread was discreetly aimed at me to 'teach me something'.


Oh dear God.

No, it wasn't Joe.

I have my own life separate from you, believe it or not.

That comment wasn't even aimed at you.


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22 Feb 2023, 1:56 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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Please don't tell me this thread was discreetly aimed at me to 'teach me something'.


Oh dear God.

No, it wasn't Joe.

I have my own life separate from you, believe it or not.

That comment wasn't even aimed at you.


Sorry. :oops:


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22 Feb 2023, 2:16 am

Joe90 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Please don't tell me this thread was discreetly aimed at me to 'teach me something'.


Oh dear God.

No, it wasn't Joe.

I have my own life separate from you, believe it or not.

That comment wasn't even aimed at you.


Sorry. :oops:


I think that if IsabellaLinton had an issue with you she would be straight with you rather than take it out on you in some coded way.


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22 Feb 2023, 8:07 am

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I'm horrible with verbal communication especially as it pertains to conflict resolution.
I shut down because it takes me a long time to process.


Yep. Same. I don't write, but things go on backburner, so to speak, as I try to process, play catch up, and figure it out.

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I have Alexithymia so it's hard for me to put feelings into words especially in real time.
I'm horrible at reading eyes or body language, and making inferences or predictions in human behaviour.
I also have auditory and visual learning disabilities.
I only learn and think by words, ideally written ones and not spoken.
I can't even picture things.


I have alexithymia to. I rarely realize I am feeling until after the fact. I know something happens, but it sets my mind and body off into a...I dunno...state of reacting v/s understanding. Autopilot. Which, unfortunately is an all is fine and good mentality/presentation. Only later, I get understanding I was feeling something at all, then I have to figure all that out. I tend to second guess myself then. It can be counterproductive and problematic.

I can't picture things either. I've read before that having aphantasia impacts people when it comes to emotions. If that's true or not, I have no clue. But it makes sense. People, in general, tend to tie emotions to visual memories. I wonder sometimes how many issues that stuff does create.

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You could say I'm gullible but I'm also quite suspicious.
I have no choice but to assume the worst just in case the person is trying to play me.
I don't tell them these thoughts, but they're on autopilot in the background as a defence mechanism.
Verbal communication is like a slow process of me letting go of those anxieties, or confirmation bias.


I can appreciate that. I do something similar, but only after a person has been around for a while. I seem to be more open and trusting towards people I don't know well or have any real investment in. Unfortunately, I take the lack of trust route with people who are close to me, friends, partners and such. That's when mine start creeping in. It is a fight to not pull that crap.

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I wish all my communication could be sent / received in written form.
I like being able to edit and reread at my leisure.
I'm far from perfect in written form but it's always much better than verbal.


Ohmigoodness, yes. I think the world would be a better place if that could be a thing.

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Yes, exactly. Conversations are very difficult when people don't play by the same rules, or have the same expectations.
My family never had "conversations". We barely spoke. My mother did rambling monologues about how stressed out she was, and everyone else was mute. We didn't even eat meals together. There was no "How was your day?", or "Where would you like to go to University?" Nothing. They didn't even tell me about sex or periods.

It's been really hard for me to speak about anything verbally, other than the topics from my career. Opinions, thoughts, conflict resolution? Ouch. It's been a very steep learning curve for me, especially as a single mum.


It can be challenging when you come up in an environment that doesn't teach the proper ways to do these things. My family was different than your average household and I know mine did me no favors on learning that whole, how to get on with others' stuff. I know my own interactions with my children are not exactly common/traditional. I used to go back and forth with conflict resolution with them from handling it beautifully to hating the way I failed to do so. I was not prepared for all that.

At all. Funny thing, I was telling one of my daughters a few months ago that I had baby fever. I found it hysterical. She kinda shrugged at me and said she thought I might actually make a good parent these days. We both proceeded to laugh our as*es off at that. I seem to do a lot better with my kids and grandson than I did when my kids were younger. How much of that is from life and learning v/s having enough time and space to deal and decompress is anyone's guess. Probably it's a mix of both. These days if one of my kids pulls some boneheaded crap I can tell them I need space and get back to it. I was not afforded that luxury when they were young, in my home and in my care. It would have been nice if I could have. Would have saved us all some upset over the years.



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22 Feb 2023, 8:00 pm

babybird wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Please don't tell me this thread was discreetly aimed at me to 'teach me something'.


Oh dear God.

No, it wasn't Joe.

I have my own life separate from you, believe it or not.

That comment wasn't even aimed at you.


Sorry. :oops:


I think that if IsabellaLinton had an issue with you she would be straight with you rather than take it out on you in some coded way.


<thinks>
Then who WAS she referring to? :scratch: :mrgreen:



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22 Feb 2023, 8:04 pm

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<thinks>
Then who WAS she referring to? :scratch: :mrgreen:


Why assume it was aimed at someone personally to begin with though? :chin:
Sometimes people have a question come to mind, even if a recent interaction made the question occur to them usually they've had enough of those sorts of interactions to notice a pattern. Noticing the pattern causes the question to form.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar as the saying goes. It's not a rap battle, we're not all subliminally casting shade on each other with every post.


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22 Feb 2023, 10:35 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
<thinks>
Then who WAS she referring to? :scratch: :mrgreen:


Why assume it was aimed at someone personally to begin with though? :chin:
Sometimes people have a question come to mind, even if a recent interaction made the question occur to them usually they've had enough of those sorts of interactions to notice a pattern. Noticing the pattern causes the question to form.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar as the saying goes. It's not a rap battle, we're not all subliminally casting shade on each other with every post.


Rather than speculating about it, perhaps we should ask Isabella to klarify? :chin:



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22 Feb 2023, 10:49 pm

If you follow the conversation, I was responding to KK who said that people need to learn to respect one another more, and my followup question of whether respect can be taught.

I gave an example of teaching children about respect, meaning it's something that all people should learn but many don't.

I was talking about the people who don't, in general, and not a specific person.

It's frustrating when I make comments which follow the topic of a conversation and people decide it's all about them or I have some ulterior motive, kind of like when I posted a generic yet topical giphy the other day and got reported for attacking the person I had just agreed with, in some sort of Martian Vagina conspiracy.


Joe90 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
We really (in general) have to learn to respect each other more.


:heart:
Well said.


Can respect be taught?

I was involved in a program for teaching empathy and respect to children.
I took my daughter to the local elementary school when she was a baby.
The students were about 6-7 years old.
They got to watch me take care of her and play with her.
They saw her growing older and developing new skills over time.
They asked a lot of questions and grew to really care about her.

The idea was all of us are just as special as a new baby.
Just because we grew bigger we were still worthy of care and respect.


It was a really enriching experience.


Nice idea, but that isn't how the real world works, however.


Ha. This.



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It seems a few people fell off the turnip truck and didn't learn a thing. ^


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23 Feb 2023, 4:08 am

I only thought you meant me because your post that said

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It seems a few people fell off the turnip truck and didn't learn a thing. ^
was below mine and had that little arrow symbol to refer to the above post. It was an honest mistake.


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23 Feb 2023, 4:14 am

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I only thought you meant me because your post that said
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It seems a few people fell off the turnip truck and didn't learn a thing. ^
was below mine and had that little arrow symbol to refer to the above post. It was an honest mistake.


The arrow ^ thing doesn't work for me.
I prefer the @Name with a qualifier.



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23 Feb 2023, 7:48 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I only thought you meant me because your post that said
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It seems a few people fell off the turnip truck and didn't learn a thing. ^
was below mine and had that little arrow symbol to refer to the above post. It was an honest mistake.




It did refer to the above post, because I was continuing what you and Pepe were saying.

- He said: "Nice idea, but that isn't how the real world works, however."
- You said: "Ha. This."

- I followed by saying "It seems a few people fell off the turnip truck and didn't learn a thing."

That meant, a few people in "the real world" didn't learn respect.

Whether it had a ^ or not, the comment was meant to follow what you and Pepe had said.
It would have meant the same thing either way. :?
It wasn't a mistake to use ^.

The only reason I thought of the saying was because of a meme I've posted twice before in WPAA.
The last time I posted it in WPAA, it happened to follow Fairfield.
I don't think Fairfield was offended or took it personally, but I'll double check next time I talk to him.


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23 Feb 2023, 8:06 pm

I meant it was an honest mistake on my part. I just need to stop being so paranoid. It doesn't matter now. I like this thread, it has some good points.


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24 Feb 2023, 12:19 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I only thought you meant me because your post that said
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It seems a few people fell off the turnip truck and didn't learn a thing. ^
was below mine and had that little arrow symbol to refer to the above post. It was an honest mistake.




It did refer to the above post, because I was continuing what you and Pepe were saying.

- He said: "Nice idea, but that isn't how the real world works, however."
- You said: "Ha. This."

- I followed by saying "It seems a few people fell off the turnip truck and didn't learn a thing."

That meant, a few people in "the real world" didn't learn respect.

Whether it had a ^ or not, the comment was meant to follow what you and Pepe had said.
It would have meant the same thing either way. :?
It wasn't a mistake to use ^.

The only reason I thought of the saying was because of a meme I've posted twice before in WPAA.
The last time I posted it in WPAA, it happened to follow Fairfield.
I don't think Fairfield was offended or took it personally, but I'll double check next time I talk to him.


Well, the reality is that for some, it was ambiguous.
It might be an autistic thing...that we had difficultly understanding what was meant.

BTW, The reason I often use emojis is to help klarify the mood in which something was said.
It doesn't always help, but they are useful klarifiers, IMO.
I am not saying they can't be abused.
But they do help me.

Reason suggests to me that they would be helpful for those on the spectrum.
The problem seems to be that some have a personal grudge and choose to misinterpret the intent.

BTW, can't you turn off emojis somewhere?