Men' Bodies.... What do girls ACTUALLY want???

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22 Aug 2007, 3:03 pm

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There was a news article about a clinical study six months ago that reported that men's sweat actually relaxes women.


Huh. That explains a lot. One of the things I loved about my last boyfriend was how comforting it was just to smell him.

Have to disagree with fivecents on some of the attractions: I don't like a hairless body. I'm not gay. (I don't like a furry body either, though). I don't care as much about clothes on a daily basis, although I do notice if a man has put a little extra effort in. I DON'T want a false smile. If you smile when you're not happy, you're lying. I do agree that cleanliness is important, though: fresh sweat is good, old sweat is bad. Cologne is bad. If you don't smell right without the cologne, you won't smell right with it either.

Likes: medium build, medium height, medium ammount of body hair; a bit of a gut is ok, but soft all over is not. thick dark or red hair, dark eyes. Excellence at *something* is a big turn-on: a graceful martial artist, a brilliant mathematician, whatever. If you excell at it, it's hot. And he should be able to keep up with me when I go a walk, or train in the dojo, or try out kayacking, or whatever. Fetish: pointy canine teeth (not like vampire-pointy: just a little moreso than average).

Turn-offs: Endurance-runner thin or body-builder muscled. Those guys on the cover of 'muscle' mags are just gross. Bad smell. More than a decade older than me. Born-again anything. etc...


Wow :o You're pretty hard to please! You know, you can get a dog, and that way, you can 1) have his fur shaved to the perfect length for you, 2) he's excellent at BOTH playing fetch AND licking your feet, and 3) he can most definitely keep up with you when you walk. 4) Also, you can kick him out of the house when he's "bad", in whichever way you define the word. 5) And, he's got the canine teeth! :D 6) Also, they're available in both dark and red hair.

Seriously, you may prefer a pet to a man.


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22 Aug 2007, 3:16 pm

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I think that if a guy looks stronger than I am (I myself am quite strong) I feel intimidated.


Interesting. Do you think that you're as strong
as you are, because of this fear?


Probably. I have a history of abuse, though.


i tend to size guys up in this respect.


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22 Aug 2007, 3:24 pm

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I think, most important, the man must smell appealing to me when he sweats.


Wow, did you know you're onto a medical fact here? There was a news article about a clinical study six months ago that reported that men's sweat actually relaxes women. Sounds like a rather bizarre study to pursue, but anyhow, it gives us one more reason not to rush past our ladies from the gym to the shower. Give her a break, guys! She deserves it. :)


edit: medical "fact" based on scientific theory

been studied for years


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22 Aug 2007, 3:33 pm

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There was a news article about a clinical study six months ago that reported that men's sweat actually relaxes women.


Huh. That explains a lot. One of the things I loved about my last boyfriend was how comforting it was just to smell him.

Have to disagree with fivecents on some of the attractions: I don't like a hairless body. I'm not gay. (I don't like a furry body either, though). I don't care as much about clothes on a daily basis, although I do notice if a man has put a little extra effort in. I DON'T want a false smile. If you smile when you're not happy, you're lying. I do agree that cleanliness is important, though: fresh sweat is good, old sweat is bad. Cologne is bad. If you don't smell right without the cologne, you won't smell right with it either.

Likes: medium build, medium height, medium ammount of body hair; a bit of a gut is ok, but soft all over is not. thick dark or red hair, dark eyes. Excellence at *something* is a big turn-on: a graceful martial artist, a brilliant mathematician, whatever. If you excell at it, it's hot. And he should be able to keep up with me when I go a walk, or train in the dojo, or try out kayacking, or whatever. Fetish: pointy canine teeth (not like vampire-pointy: just a little moreso than average).

Turn-offs: Endurance-runner thin or body-builder muscled. Those guys on the cover of 'muscle' mags are just gross. Bad smell. More than a decade older than me. Born-again anything. etc...


Wow :o You're pretty hard to please! You know, you can get a dog, and that way, you can 1) have his fur shaved to the perfect length for you, 2) he's excellent at BOTH playing fetch AND licking your feet, and 3) he can most definitely keep up with you when you walk. 4) Also, you can kick him out of the house when he's "bad", in whichever way you define the word. 5) And, he's got the canine teeth! :D 6) Also, they're available in both dark and red hair.

Seriously, you may prefer a pet to a man.


I don't think she's being picky. She said "likes," not "will not consider a relationship without."


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22 Aug 2007, 3:44 pm

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8j4QJ0oiY[/youtube]

There's a segment of this clip which clearly goes into
the idea of mixing male and female fantasies.


Yes, I know... Quite telling, for those not in the know on how the male versus female mind works. Romance is about sex. That doesn't mean there can't be real love in it, or even as its cause, but...

Sex is like shopping. Guys don't go to the store unless it has something they want. Whereas women often go there just to browse, and will make purchases much less predictably.


Since this is the fourth different place I've seen this clip and the fallacies it promotes on WP, I just want to throw out that while there's some truth in it, it seems sort of silly over all. . . some of my best experiences have been based on shared desires and shared fantasies. . . I'm quite sure they were shared, and they were nowhere remotely near the "male fantasy" or the "felmale fantasy" mentioned. Fantasy doesn't have to be demeaning be interesting to guys . . . at least, not for some guys.

Nor is romance only about sex. I've known some couples where it seems to be mostly about company, and that seems to work reasonably well for them.


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22 Aug 2007, 3:53 pm

Jainaday wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
calandale wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8j4QJ0oiY[/youtube]

There's a segment of this clip which clearly goes into
the idea of mixing male and female fantasies.


Yes, I know... Quite telling, for those not in the know on how the male versus female mind works. Romance is about sex. That doesn't mean there can't be real love in it, or even as its cause, but...

Sex is like shopping. Guys don't go to the store unless it has something they want. Whereas women often go there just to browse, and will make purchases much less predictably.


Since this is the fourth different place I've seen this clip and the fallacies it promotes on WP, I just want to throw out that while there's some truth in it, it seems sort of silly over all. . . some of my best experiences have been based on shared desires and shared fantasies. . . I'm quite sure they were shared, and they were nowhere remotely near the "male fantasy" or the "felmale fantasy" mentioned. Fantasy doesn't have to be demeaning be interesting to guys . . . at least, not for some guys.

Nor is romance only about sex. I've known some couples where it seems to be mostly about company, and that seems to work reasonably well for them.


The video mostly rang true for me.


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22 Aug 2007, 5:51 pm

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Wow :o You're pretty hard to please! You know, you can get a dog, and that way, you can 1) have his fur shaved to the perfect length for you, 2) he's excellent at BOTH playing fetch AND licking your feet, and 3) he can most definitely keep up with you when you walk. 4) Also, you can kick him out of the house when he's "bad", in whichever way you define the word. 5) And, he's got the canine teeth! :D 6) Also, they're available in both dark and red hair.

Seriously, you may prefer a pet to a man.


Well, much as I love my pets, I like men as well.
Hard to please? I just said I like 'average' in just about every way! They don't have to hit the exact midline; I'd just prefer that they're not at either extreme (with the sole exceptionof teeth, which I mentioned).

I will add, though, that I prefer men who like pets as well. Again, not hard to find.

Also, a fantastic voice makes up for almost any number of other physical faults: a good enough voice makes my knees turn to jelly.



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22 Aug 2007, 7:49 pm

OOH! Smell and compatible pheromones are so important. I love primate attraction! Def being an NT I am fastidious about appearance/hygiene. Just clean and neat. It is bothersome to see things out of place. NT’s are very uncomfortable around things that are non conforming.

For LKL, a hairy is not awful, I didn’t mean that. I meant excessive thick body hair can be thinned out and hair out of ears and nose is, well, distracting. I dated a hairy guy once and loved him to pieces. The look I prefer is DIFFERENT than the type of PERSON I prefer. And the person I prefer always wins over the look.

I love my boyfriend because of who he is. I always tease him that what is “wrong” with him is what makes him perfect for me (he’s the one that says there’s something wrong, not me). I have adored his aspie ways long before I knew he was. He gets up in the mornings on the weekend and makes a list of chore. I add myself to his list. He loves that. He obsesses over work way too much, but that is what makes me love his work ethic. I bring work home all the time, but work obsession does not consume me like him. It brings him real anxiety. It just stresses me. He loses everything around the house. One day he called me and asked where his wallet was. I wasn’t there for 3 days (we live an hour apart, perfect for him haha) and knew where he left it. He is comfortably predictable and routine. He is up for adventures sometimes, but is mostly task oriented. I do remind him to brush, wash and put clean clothes on. I don’t nag or force him, I just ask. If he really wants to wear the same jeans, go for it. If he wants to talk to customers all day with stinky breath, go for it. If he wants to eat dinner with dirty hands, go for it. If you want to touch me, wash the motor oil off your fingers.

Looks, yes, catch your eye. Love grows and changes and grows. Body types are just nonsense, unless you are morbidly obese. That is just unhealthy. I think AS need to just be themselves and put themselves out there and wait until someone who appreciates their quirks comes along. And for you 30 and under, most NT chicks 18-28 are just demanding and influenced by friends and the media. Date them, learn, but please don’t take it personally if they have no patience with you. They just don’t have it, period.

You can date 100 people or 1 person, because it is only that special ONE that matters. Concentrate on work, things you enjoy, and living life. That special someone comes along when you least expect it. Have your personal s**t together so when you meet him/her you can enjoy instead of catch up.

Also, false smile is different than polite smile. A real smile is seen in the eyes, not the mouth. But a polite smile makes NT’s comfortable that they were acknowledged and they acknowledged back. In the NT world, even if you hate your boss, you smile while they give you more work out of respect. Even if you don’t respect them!!



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I think AS need to just be themselves and put themselves out there and wait until someone who appreciates their quirks comes along. And for you 30 and under, most NT chicks 18-28 are just demanding and influenced by friends and the media. Date them, learn, but please don’t take it personally if they have no patience with you. They just don’t have it, period.
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that makes me feel a little bit of hope, thanks.

also, its nice to read that for most women/girls, a somehow tolerable body shape is considered okay. its probably a very male home-made problem of obsessing over muscles here and there, signs of balding or budding love handles, size of genitalia and all that...



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24 Aug 2007, 6:01 am

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i tend to size guys up in this respect.


Not safe. Seriously. You have no idea
what someone under the influence of
serious emotions is capable of, if you think
that you can judge so easily. It's about the
same as the effect of PCP.



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24 Aug 2007, 4:38 pm

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that makes me feel a little bit of hope, thanks.

also, its nice to read that for most women/girls, a somehow tolerable body shape is considered okay. its probably a very male home-made problem of obsessing over muscles here and there, signs of balding or budding love handles, size of genitalia and all that...


It reassures me, as well. Given that my hair seems determined to leave my scalp at the moment, I think it's reassuring to know that this isn't such a big deal as I had thought...


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24 Aug 2007, 5:47 pm

calandale wrote:
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i tend to size guys up in this respect.


Not safe. Seriously. You have no idea
what someone under the influence of
serious emotions is capable of, if you think
that you can judge so easily. It's about the
same as the effect of PCP.


i dont withold the possiblity........ and honestly, i have been pleasantly surprised :twisted: :twisted: :wink:


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25 Aug 2007, 9:37 pm

I wish we could have knife fought.



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26 Aug 2007, 3:16 am

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Oh, that is too hilarious!

But I really do like men who are handsome and don't know it. Once they figure it out, they're insufferable. :P I'm only halfway kidding.



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But I really do like men who are handsome and don't know it. Once they figure it out, they're insufferable. :P I'm only halfway kidding.


Oh, ditto for girls. Most definitely. I live in the heart of one of the materialistic capitals of America. The common look on women's faces here is the fashionable frown. :roll: There's a law against beautiful people smiling here. The problem is, we think we're L.A. -- fashion means everything. When my ex-wife moved from her hometown of Austin up to Dallas to go to college, she said she immediately felt like a frog among women, because every woman wears expensive designer clothes. Whereas, in Austin, people wear anything and everything.


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