19 Oct 2007, 10:52 pm
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If I were an atheist I would come to the conclusion that life has no purpose and should be destroyed, of course, I came to the latter part of that conclusion anyway. 
The whole world would be a worthless hunk of rock, and people would be nothing but fermented compost that exist solely to keep reproducing pointlessly when it would be less painful to just die out. It would be difficult to maintain egoism after death, if it is about being remembered people will eventually forget you, even if you do something crazy like kill a celebrity.
The whole world would be a worthless hunk of rock, and people would be nothing but fermented compost that exist solely to keep reproducing pointlessly when it would be less painful to just die out. It would be difficult to maintain egoism after death, if it is about being remembered people will eventually forget you, even if you do something crazy like kill a celebrity.You are making a generalization, and you are saying what all atheists should be like, because they don't have a source for morals as believers do? and those who do are hypocrites? it seems it is like that what you are refering, a kind of hypocricy, which it doesn't make sense.
Morals and ethics have a lot to do as human beings interacting and organizing with each other, set of rules are valuable to mantain a certain order in which everyone is happy or satisfied about it, you don't need religion or believe in a diety these days to actually understand that.
About the purpose of life, there is always a purpouse, on how you want to live your life with your family and other human beings around you, you give a real meaning to your life when you live at peace with yourself and with other people you care about.
Altruistic, you can be that and be an atheist as well, and not expect any afterlife reward, which by what you are saying, being good with people, helping, etc. would be hipocrycy if you do all of that to earn a ticket to paradise.
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19 Oct 2007, 11:04 pm
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19 Oct 2007, 11:29 pm
greenblue wrote:
You are making a generalization, and you are saying what all atheists should be like
Yes, I am. I have every right to do so if I please.
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As for atheism, that wasn't the issue I had. The issue I had (and still have) is that you call it hypocritical to not be self-serving if you believe that there's nothing after death. Believing that is not the same as believing that life is "pointless." Not all atheists have come to that conclusion, and it is far from a fact.
I've already said that everyone is a hypocrite. I know not all atheists have come to that conclusion, I'm just saying that they should. I couldn't care less if people don't like it. What are they going to do? Sue me?
greenblue wrote:
it seems it is like that what you are refering, a kind of hypocricy, which it doesn't make sense.
Nothing makes sense if you dig deep enough.
greenblue wrote:
Morals and ethics have a lot to do as human beings interacting and organizing with each other, set of rules are valuable to mantain a certain order in which everyone is happy or satisfied about it, you don't need religion or believe in a diety these days to actually understand that.
Some of the morals and ethics have no appreciable benefits purely from humanity's point of view, not that I care because I believe humanity should be destroyed anyway. There has never been a time where everyone is happy or satisfied about anything.
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About the purpose of life, there is always a purpouse, on how you want to live your life with your family and other human beings around you, you give a real meaning to your life when you live at peace with yourself and with other people you care about.
Altruistic, you can be that and be an atheist as well, and not expect any afterlife reward, which by what you are saying, being good with people, helping, etc. would be hipocrycy if you do all of that to earn a ticket to paradise.
Altruistic, you can be that and be an atheist as well, and not expect any afterlife reward, which by what you are saying, being good with people, helping, etc. would be hipocrycy if you do all of that to earn a ticket to paradise.
That is so cliche I don't even want to comment.
That could be a purpose, but whether it is a truly meaningful purpose is debatable. Why hold on to a bad life for longer if it will inevitably come to a definite end anyway? Why not just end it now if there's nothing there?
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19 Oct 2007, 11:31 pm
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GoatOnFire wrote:
There are other motivations, of course, but one who did enough dwelling to come to the conclusion that there are no afterlife consequences for their actions would see that there is no reason for any other way.
No reason for any other way? Any other way of what?
Viewing the world, I guess.
Time for a cage match. GoatOnFire VS Ragtime.
I wonder why he hasn't thrown his hat into this ring yet? He said he wanted a serious discussion...
19 Oct 2007, 11:36 pm
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19 Oct 2007, 11:51 pm
GoatOnFire wrote:
That is so cliche I don't even want to comment. That could be a purpose, but whether it is a truly meaningful purpose is debatable. Why hold on to a bad life for longer if it will inevitably come to a definite end anyway? Why not just end it now if there's nothing there?
That could be a purpose, but whether it is a truly meaningful purpose is debatable. Why hold on to a bad life for longer if it will inevitably come to a definite end anyway? Why not just end it now if there's nothing there?What I mentioned could be one of many porpouses, there are others that can be taken as such like art, music, science, exploring things and finding answers to some questions or problems, which have been answered, and stuff like that, that I would take as some purposes that people have in their lives, and how they choose to live with them, besides the humanistic purpouses some have, either way, your assumption is depressing actually, to think that every atheist must feel like they should kill themselves because of the lack of gods and an utopian heaven waiting for them, therefore a lack of any purpouse in life. That sounds funny actually.
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20 Oct 2007, 12:02 am
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Any other way that you can possibly be motivated to do something.
So anyone who does something for a reason other than pleasure isn't very smart in your eyes?
Man, you and Ragtime must be pretty lonely at the top. I'm guessing they're very separate mountains, one of you would have thrown the other off by now.
You also could have saved a lot of space there by not repeatedly quoting yourself. What was your motivation? Pleasure?
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20 Oct 2007, 12:21 am
greenblue wrote:
GoatOnFire wrote:
That is so cliche I don't even want to comment. That could be a purpose, but whether it is a truly meaningful purpose is debatable. Why hold on to a bad life for longer if it will inevitably come to a definite end anyway? Why not just end it now if there's nothing there?
That could be a purpose, but whether it is a truly meaningful purpose is debatable. Why hold on to a bad life for longer if it will inevitably come to a definite end anyway? Why not just end it now if there's nothing there?What I mentioned could be one of many porpouses, there are others that can be taken as such like art, music, science, exploring things and finding answers to some questions or problems, which have been answered, and stuff like that, that I would take as some purposes that people have in their lives, and how they choose to live with them, besides the humanistic purpouses some have, either way, your assumption is depressing actually, to think that every atheist must feel like they should kill themselves because of the lack of gods and an utopian heaven waiting for them, therefore a lack of any purpouse in life. That sounds funny actually.
Putting words in my mouth alert:
I didn't say that every atheist must feel like they should kill themselves. I said that if an atheist has a bad life he/she should go on a killing spree if he/she has the brass.
I never definitively specified about god or a utopian heaven, I just said that if there is nothing at the end then the temporary nature of life makes life trivial in the long run.
This debate will never end unless I quit it, and I'm getting bored. I've thrown in my take, now go ahead and tell me how incorrect and inferior my beliefs are. I haven't completely unloaded them because it would take too long. I doubt any of you will have anything to say to change my mind, you don't know what makes me tick so you are shooting blind when trying to make a point. Just like I was shooting blind at all of you just for the hell of it. Try it, it's fun for a little while.
20 Oct 2007, 12:32 am
GoatOnFire wrote:
I never definitively specified about god or a utopian heaven, I just said that if there is nothing at the end then the temporary nature of life makes life trivial in the long run.
Only if you are solely concerned with your own life, and care nothing about the rest of the world. Life keeps going on even after your own life ends, unless you can't stand the thought of that and try to end all life.
And yes, I ignored your little speech. Not my problem if you lack the endurance to stick around, and I'm also not concerned about keeping you entertained.
