how to get a girl who's way out of your league

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"Leagues" are stupid as hell. I hate unsaid "social hierarchies." People are all inherently equal in my opinion.

speaking of leagues, at the annual AFL football awards, players take their wives/girlfriends, is probably a good example of like attracting like, or each gender looking for a "trophy". You never see a fat or ugly one (girl, not footballer). Typical sample:


For Pandora, a couple of guys from Queensland's Brisbane Lions

The guy on the left would be one of the oldest in the league. The woman next to him likewise probably one of the oldest trophies.

Hmph trophies. Who needs 'em.

"Leagues" are stupid.

how to get a girl out of your league?...don't be a dork.

...seriously, that's all you have to do. a gal-pal of mine taught me this lesson and it's been invaluable. dress nice, be witty, talk TO her not AT her, and most of all be confident (but not a jerk). that's really all you have to do.

a girl that's "out of your league" is the wrong way to think anyway. it puts her on a pedestal nobody needs to be on. if she acts like she's better than you, the hell with her. it's not worth persuing.

As far as I'm concerned, this statement resolves the entire "league" issue.

EXACTLY.

some people don't care about leagues, but most people (attractive and unattractive alike) do. you may not like it, it may be wrong, but that's the way things are. If they think they're beyond your league, forget it.

Frankly, if 'be polite and respectful' worked, I wouldn't have been single for years.

Do most people care about those things? Maybe you're right. Every time I've taken an interest in a guy, my friends and family all want to know what he majored in, what his career is, and what he looks like. In the past I've interpreted those sorts of questions as "just making conversation", but lately I'm beginning to suspect that I'm just quite naive and dense, and that most people really do evaluate a man's romantic worth based on money, career, and looks. I do pay attention to looks, but only to what pleases me personally, not Hollywood's standards. The other two are truly inconsequential to me.

But I still don't understand why some guys complain about girls who don't want to date "outside their league." Why would you want someone who felt like she was slumming by being with you? Those shallow people are doing you a favor by crossing themselves off your list. Personally, I am very pleased when shallow people reveal themselves as such, rather than posing as something else.

Yes, I would say that most people do care about league. I don't know about your family (your major says something about your earning potential but also about your interests), but most people do. I too pay attention to looks, but they're by no means the most important thing, and I care about what pleases me not what tv tells us is hot.
I'm speculating, but maybe these guys are complaining that these women don't want men outside their perceived league (i.e. feels it's beneath her) rather than them wanting to date her even if she feels they're beneath her. I agree with what you say about shallow people, a friend of my dad's had a fiancee, he lost his job and she immediately left him (and soon found someone else to marry her - though ironically enough my dad's friend is now self-employed, making good money). I thought that, despite the pain he felt, it was better that he found out what she was really like before getting married, it was the lesser evil.
When I recently overheard a girl in my department talking about the mind games she plays with her friends, I though something like this: 'Note to self - remember I don't want anything more than acquaintanceship with her.' (even though I find her attractive)

Im Extremely skeptical of stuff like this. For me, it seemd that my confidence level didnt make a DAMN bit of difference. When I met my first gf @age 19, I certainly wasnt confident in the least-I was cynical that anyone would like me and so I made a promise to myself 10 months earlier to never ask a girl out. Saved me unessesary rejection. Perhaps I am the type of guy that attracts a very specific kind of person which happens to be EXTREMELY difficult to find when such a person is single.

There's an old Lebanese saying " They are hiding behind their finger"

and a lot of posters here are definitely hiding behind their finger

Im not one for idoms LePetitPrince. What does it mean to "hide behind ones finger"?
I presume its the middle finger you are talking about, no.

^^ no , it means denying the obvious or it can means denying about a real thing about yourself.

Wanna call me out, punk?

What the Hell are you guys talkin' about?!
Anyway LePetitPrince, be more specifica bout what you're referring too^^

By “out of your league” does that include beneath you? I don’t go for all this “league” thing. Just be with people who are like you, who like you, who you like back. Forget looks. Concentrate on intellect, taste and manners. I would rather have one great friend than 100 poser friends.

Leagues exist. I've been attracted to women who have high drives for accomplishment - sort of Type A. I have a bit of a low drive, so there you have someone out of my league because I can't keep up. Women out of my league include pro athletes, top entertainers, Nobel Prize winners and pretty much anyone else who would find me boring because I don't do much.

In a way, I'm also out of their league, but no one would ever see it that way. Savoring the little bit I do accomplish is not considered a virtue.

That's okay. I have Linda Ronstadt's voice on CD and Teri Hatcher as Penny Parker on MacGyver DVDs. I'll listen, watch and noodle around with random ideas. Kisses to them both.