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29 Dec 2007, 7:32 am

I thought all the alpha males (including the ones who were alpha in a good way) were way out of my league and tended to end up with the omega males instead.

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29 Dec 2007, 10:32 pm

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

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I am posting based on observations. I threw in a few jokes too. Do you really think I would carefully guard lipstick and eyeliner? Also, it wasn't just about looks. What are you getting defensive about? These labels are not to be placed on everyone's forehead, it was just to try to explain observations. If labels did not exist, how would you describe to the police what a vicious attacker looked like?

Don't you call me pathetic either. I have every right to protect myself so who are you to tell me that is pathetic?

In my mind I have distinguished good traits and bad traits. This comes with life lessons and observations. This little posting about such observations is just one little piece. I don't feel like writing a novel on wrong planet.

All I said was that your label flinging was unnecessary at best, sort of like people inventing new sciences like "Numerology" and other BS. And you had to go and apparently you felt it was important to filter it through your "logic". So you can stop assuming things such as being defensive and saying that labels do not exist.

Once again you attack my argument with the assumption that I'm wrong, do you enjoy doing this? You haven't proven that any of this is helpful at any point at all, the only thing you've done is try to paint me as the bad guy or go all defensive.

No, you've looked at what may or may not be good observations and stuck labels on them to no purpose.

Calling someone pathetic is attacking so knock it off. You can make your points without that can't you?

This was just my observations. If it offended you, oh well. I would apologize for offending you in some cases but not in this one because you are acting like a jerk.

If you have a problem with how I express myself and if you have a problem with observations I've made then grab your balls and pm me. Cuss me out.

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30 Dec 2007, 1:29 am

Kitsy wrote:

The first line was great, the last two - no need for all that

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30 Dec 2007, 2:52 am

I really think it's got everything to do with all these seduction guides and similar advice talking about the alpha male (or something conceptually similar) as being the stimulus that induces romantic-sexual attraction in women. Many guys on here have read these guides or heard advice from others here who have, so they've taken that this is what they've got to become to attract women.

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30 Dec 2007, 6:06 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

Kitsy wrote:

The first line was great, the last two - no need for all that

You're right. I should have just kept the first line and then just ended it with bite me.

Where's the internet white out?

I don't hold grudges for too long so I'm already over it

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02 Jan 2008, 5:38 am

NeantHumain wrote:

So that means those guides have given them a lot of misinformation mixed perhaps with a bit of good advice.

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03 Jan 2008, 12:57 am

SapphoWoman wrote:

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Only pack animals follow the "alpha male" routine. So the question is: Are human males pack animals?

I tend to think that NT males are. That's one reason I don't like them, in general.

There is no evidence to suggest animals follow anything like that.

Yes, there is. For example, wolves are pack animals.

I was talking about the "Alpha male" concept.

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03 Jan 2008, 1:07 am

Kitsy wrote:

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

Kitsy wrote:

I could also call it a "poor attempt", but I'd still be saying the same thing, maybe you could just try not to overeact in the first place?

Why don't you stick to the topic instead of blowing things out of proportion?

Well I was just airing my observations too, don't don't be a hypocrite and act like you're the only one who is allowed to do that.

No, I have a problem with your ability to argue and how horribly low quality it is, I'm completely fine with you.

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03 Jan 2008, 6:40 am

SapphoWoman wrote:

Only pack animals follow the "alpha male" routine. So the question is: Are human males pack animals?

I tend to think that NT males are. That's one reason I don't like them, in general.

Is it really fair to call that more strictly a 'male' thing?

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03 Jan 2008, 11:54 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

SapphoWoman wrote:

Only pack animals follow the "alpha male" routine. So the question is: Are human males pack animals?

I tend to think that NT males are. That's one reason I don't like them, in general.

Is it really fair to call that more strictly a 'male' thing?

In wolves, for example, it IS only a male thing; it does not apply to the females.

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03 Jan 2008, 1:12 pm

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

Kitsy wrote:

Deus_ex_machina wrote:

Kitsy wrote:

...and I have a problem with your narcissism

So far from what I've read out of you, your sole intent is to attempt to make someone feel negatively and boost your own self worth.

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03 Jan 2008, 5:45 pm

SapphoWoman wrote:

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

SapphoWoman wrote:

Only pack animals follow the "alpha male" routine. So the question is: Are human males pack animals?

I tend to think that NT males are. That's one reason I don't like them, in general.

Is it really fair to call that more strictly a 'male' thing?

In wolves, for example, it IS only a male thing; it does not apply to the females.

I'll have to just agree to disagree. Certain behaviors IMO are gender-neutral, people act them out period regardless, and this would be an example of where we're all still built on more animalistic behavior frames. That and as long as I went to school there were always popular girls who seemed to head their own cliques, everyone knew who they were, I can't see how that's different from when guys are in that position and have followers.

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03 Jan 2008, 6:48 pm

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I'll have to just agree to disagree.

I am talking about wolves, not humans. It is scientific. I am not saying that humans are the same as wolves.

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03 Jan 2008, 7:25 pm

SapphoWoman wrote:

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

I'll have to just agree to disagree.

I am talking about wolves, not humans. It is scientific. I am not saying that humans are the same as wolves.

SapphoWoman wrote:

Only pack animals follow the "alpha male" routine. So the question is: Are human males pack animals?

I tend to think that NT males are. That's one reason I don't like them, in general.

I knew I wasn't going crazy...

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03 Jan 2008, 7:42 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

SapphoWoman wrote:

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

I'll have to just agree to disagree.

I am talking about wolves, not humans. It is scientific. I am not saying that humans are the same as wolves.

SapphoWoman wrote:

Only pack animals follow the "alpha male" routine. So the question is: Are human males pack animals?

I tend to think that NT males are. That's one reason I don't like them, in general.

I knew I wasn't going crazy...

Oh, you're right. I did say that about human NT males. OK, then yes, I am making a statement about human NT males. But THAT statement is NOT science; it is only my opinion. The wolf thing IS science. And yes, I can see why you think I am not being fair. But that has been my experience with NT males; that is my empirical data. And that is truly how I feel!

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03 Jan 2008, 8:31 pm

alpha male=high social value

High social value=whatever is valued in a given social group

Alpha male in high school is not always the same as alpha male in another situation

If you find what you are good at, develop your skills and become confident in them, you will be an alpha male. If I hear,"Well, I'm no good at sports, so I'll always be a loser with women," one more time I'm gonna f*****g FLIP.

Despite the term alpha which connotes "pinnacle", we are no longer in a zero-sum hunter-gatherer society, therefore theoretically every male in a given room can be alpha. This same thinking is what makes people think capitalism "unfair" and socialism "fair. If we lived in a zero-sum world where wealth was static, socialism would work better; it's what we've evolved to feel about the division of resources ("how come they have so much and other people are so poor?" types of questions exist because in the past if that were the situation that would mean abuse of power by those in charge, kleptocracy. Under a capitalist [NOT big business!] system people get rich by providing benefit to others and we end up with a net gain, aka wealth.)

Benjamin Franklin was fat, bald and played with kites. He also got more ass than a toilet seat.

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