Foreign wives more common for those with AS?
How many times have you found a woman attractive, tried to make a move, and found out she wasn't interested? Nothing you did could convince this woman to want you. This happens to men constantly, pretty much a majority of the time, even to rich, powerful, or famous men. Rich and powerful men tend to have women pursuing them a little more often, so the situation self-selects (lots of people signaling), but it's not like Brad Pitt can literally go out and choose any woman off the street. Women can't get everyone they want either, but they have a much easier time of it, because it's a seller's market, and they're the sellers.
Here's the acid test -- who has more choice? The ugliest woman you know could walk out on the street naked and in five minutes find some guy who would have sex with her -- guaranteed. See if that works for the ugliest man you know -- I'll bet you 10 to 1 it wont'.
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Lol, that's pretty much all women. Rest assured the Asian and Hispanic women I dated were not exempt from any of those traits -- it's part of the female relationship toolkit

Only insecure, lonely men feel the need to constantly label Asian or Latin girls and women as being "exotic but submissive", "sweet and non-domineering", "better suited to my needs than American women", or whatever other term is used.
I'm multiethnic (White, Asian, and Middle Eastern), and my fiancee is half Polynesian and half Asian. I was born and raised in America, but I've been to several different Asian and South American countries. The hopes that many American and European men have that there is an attractive but submissive and non-domineering girl waiting for them out there in some 2nd or 3rd world foreign country is a sad mistake.
To correct a mistaken assumption that many people seem to have: Love cannot be bought for dollars, or in exchange for "first world" status. In many Asian and South American countries, the only reason attractive girls in their teens or 20s even associate with the middle aged American and European guys who hit on them is because they view them as sad, broken men who serve as a walking ATM and are easily disposed of once the money runs dry. If you're cool with that scenario, then by all means take the next flight to Bangkok and take a walk down Khao Sahn road or the Patpong district. If you think the girl you meet is actually going to fall in love with you because you happed to be from a first world country, then you're sadly misinformed.
As previously stated: Many of the former countries in which these type of scenarios used to occur are becoming much more developed than they were 20 or 30 years ago, which means people there can afford to be selective. With the advent of the internet, cell phones, social networking sites, and just globalization in general, the women from every country (including those in Asia and Latin America) are not uncomplicated, simple girls who are sitting and waiting around for some American or European guy to come sweep them off their feet and whisk them away to America or Europe. I have yet to meet any who have a desperate hope that some guy from a first world country will sweep down out of the sky and take them away to comfortable suburban glory back in the US or Europe. Unless you mean a mail-order bride, who usually divorces the guy as soon as she gets her greencard.
Liking other cultures is one thing. Interracial dating and marriage, also cool. Specifically seeking out a woman from a foreign culture in a 2nd or 3rd world country because you want an attractive but non-domineering woman who is less likely to bail on the relationship than an American woman or is better suited to men with Asperger's than American women is called "sex tourism" and is globally condemned.
The submissive Asian girl stereotype is pretty funny. This might still be somewhat true in Japan, where there are some cultural values that emphasize submission to authority in general, especially by women, but for the rest of Asia, women are pretty bossy. All of my Asian GF's, foreign-born or not, were pretty bossy and not hesitant to let fly with some comment or argument. Some of them do believe in taking care of their men (lots of women do), but don't think the rest of Asia is like Japan.
"Whatever" other term? Does that mean that no matter how I describe the relationship between my wife and I, you have already discounted it as the idle words of an "insecure, lonely" man?

Face it, kid. I never had a relationship with a Euro-American woman that was based on
"mutual respect, trust, love, and understanding." They were all based upon their insidious manipulation of my feelings to become dependent upon them for my affirmation as a human being.
With my wife, it's different. She is neither domineering nor submissive. We treat each other as people without all those nasty head games that Euro-American NTs are so fond of. There is no games-playing involved - we love each other, and that's all that matters.
You people can be so funny sometimes. I always thought this thread was about peoples wives seeming 'foreign' to them since they were autistic. I didn get the drift that it was about real 'foreign' women.
With respect to real 'foreign' women I think that they make ggod wives and companions but will probably be no more understanding of the idiosyncrices of an autistic mate than an american girl will be.
If you're not an american male then just turn that around a little bit to get the drift of the concept.
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billsmithglendale wrote:
It's a process -- women choose the candidates they will allow to approach them, then signal accordingly to those who can approach. They don't approach so much as signal who they will allow to approach. It's an indirect process
This may be the problem for AS men who can't pick up on non-verbal cues. Non verbal language varies from culture to culture.
For example, standing close to someone while talking is considered normal between Muslim males. But, it's weird if American men talk to one another in such close proximity. Aspies can bypass the non verbal language as well as spoken language by dating a foreigner.
I think the main reason why AS guys like foreign women, particularly white men preferring Asian or Hispanic women is that they typically are more passive than white women from the US or Europe. Hispanic women typically come from Catholic backgrounds which make them act modest and submissive. It must be difficult for an AS guy to find a woman who is proportionately more passive to him than say an NT white woman is submissive to an NT white man.

How about looking in a battered woman's shelter? There must be lots of strays there from which to choose from.

You don't know many Asian and Hispanic women, do you? While they are perhaps more well-mannered than most (niceness is often mistaken for passivity and/or vulnerability), they are also fully capable of defending themselves.

How about looking for your next boyfriend on skid row? There must be lots of eligible bachelors to choose from.
Women can be battered by their culture and by religion just as well as being battered by an abusive husband. In the end the result from years of abuse force the woman into a sort of submission. Of course there are some that rise against and the beatings by society or their mates make them stronger. There are exceptions to every rule but for the sake of being concise I won't go into every if, and, or but. It seems as if liberated women are seen as a threat to passive males so AS men resort to either finding girls who are unaware of what's going on, or they seek a foreigner who doesn't pick up on verbal and non verbal language.
Why adhere to societal standards of gender roles when they apparently go against some people's nature? In other words, what's wrong with a passive male being in a relationship with an aggressive male? Dominant women aren't necessarily manipulative like the typical refrigerator mom. Free thinking people enjoy a challenging mate who can stimulate ideas and strengthen their character.
If you do not fall into these generalizations, I sincerely apologize. However, generalizations are not all inclusive by definition.
Anyways...The point of this whole topic should be on why people would abort an autistic embryo and why is the autistic gene so demonized when there are many positive traits that it carries. My initial opinion as to why AS men prefer NT foreign women is that they unconsciously wish to diminish the possibility of having AS offspring.
I thought you were one of those bigtime anti-homosexual conservative christian types...
AS guys are not at all like NT guys when it comes to dating. There is a much larger percentage of AS men preferring women outside of their race and there must be a reason for that.
I don't think it's coincidental.
Maybe ... just maybe ... there is a mutual attraction in operation here ... d'ya think? Believe it or not, my wife actually likes me (she loves me, of course), and so do her family and friends. For some strangely unfathomable reason, the Philippine culture seems to include an appreciation for soft-spoken, well-behaved men who are intelligent, hard-working, and honest.
Yeah ... weird huh? That any woman would fall for a guy with such esoteric qualities is a constant source of amazement.
And believe it or not, my spine and "family jewels" are still intact and firmly attached!
What is the part about your spine and family jewels meant to imply in the context of your marital relationship? I'm not sure I have quite grasped your point.
My prelationships with Euro-American women seems to have always involved some form of domination (nagging, belittlement, criticism, nagging, deprecation, insult, nagging, et cetera), and that any man who tolerates such abuse is either spineless, a eunuch, or both.
Thus, many of my Euro-American acquaintences who know about how well my wife and I get along often try to imply that I am "whipped" in some way - because that seems to be the only kind of man-woman relationship that they understand.
A relationship based on mutual respect, trust, love, and understanding? With a Euro-American woman? Me?

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I hope never to let a woman dominate me if I am married to her and I hope to assume my assigned position as head of the family. Not so much for my benefit, but for hers. If I truly love my future wife (whether she is my current girlfriend or another girl), I will want to make her happy by creating a wonderful marriage. To do that, I need to fulfil God's instructions when it comes to marital dynamics. That doesn't mean I have any business just messing her around though. So far, the signs are that she won't allow a man to mess her around. There are some things I have said to her that were misinterpreted as threats that resulted in her merely calling my bluff.
I thought you were one of those bigtime anti-homosexual conservative christian types...
I will probably drop my opposition to homosexuality if someone can use scriptural evidence to successfully argue logically that the Bible doesn't oppose it. Some liberals dislike the fact that I base my views on the Bible, rather than their trendy hip religions like Kabbalah, Daoism and Buddhism, but, in the words of Lauren Cooper, "I ain't bovvered".
I'm multiethnic (White, Asian, and Middle Eastern), and my fiancee is half Polynesian and half Asian. I was born and raised in America, but I've been to several different Asian and South American countries. The hopes that many American and European men have that there is an attractive but submissive and non-domineering girl waiting for them out there in some 2nd or 3rd world foreign country is a sad mistake.
To correct a mistaken assumption that many people seem to have: Love cannot be bought for dollars, or in exchange for "first world" status. In many Asian and South American countries, the only reason attractive girls in their teens or 20s even associate with the middle aged American and European guys who hit on them is because they view them as sad, broken men who serve as a walking ATM and are easily disposed of once the money runs dry. If you're cool with that scenario, then by all means take the next flight to Bangkok and take a walk down Khao Sahn road or the Patpong district. If you think the girl you meet is actually going to fall in love with you because you happed to be from a first world country, then you're sadly misinformed.
As previously stated: Many of the former countries in which these type of scenarios used to occur are becoming much more developed than they were 20 or 30 years ago, which means people there can afford to be selective. With the advent of the internet, cell phones, social networking sites, and just globalization in general, the women from every country (including those in Asia and Latin America) are not uncomplicated, simple girls who are sitting and waiting around for some American or European guy to come sweep them off their feet and whisk them away to America or Europe. I have yet to meet any who have a desperate hope that some guy from a first world country will sweep down out of the sky and take them away to comfortable suburban glory back in the US or Europe. Unless you mean a mail-order bride, who usually divorces the guy as soon as she gets her greencard.
Liking other cultures is one thing. Interracial dating and marriage, also cool. Specifically seeking out a woman from a foreign culture in a 2nd or 3rd world country because you want an attractive but non-domineering woman who is less likely to bail on the relationship than an American woman or is better suited to men with Asperger's than American women is called "sex tourism" and is globally condemned.
Regarding the last paragraph, that is not sex tourism. If it is a relationship by mutual consent and free association, I really don't see what the problem is.
It's getting harder to gain entry into the UK by marriage. One recent change is that you have to have been married for 6 years before you can qualify for a passport. An Antipodean acquaintance of mine got married to his first wife when doing so gave him a passport straight away and you only had to stay in the marriage for 2 years before you could walk out and still keep the passport, which he naturally did.