If you're 27 and never had a girlfriend, is it too late?

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28 Jul 2015, 7:33 pm

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I live in a big liberal city and don't consider target shooting a dealbreaker of a hobby but whatevs, don't mention it in your profile or to women when you chat them up. Ditto the wet shaving. I know few girls who don't occasionally play videogames and the nice people at the Conference Board, market research at game makers and the business section of any major paper are all under the impression that women buy/play a good 50% of computer games, so, clearly, girls who game exist.

Your meticulous stats don't take into account the portion of the population that is gay or lesbian, ie if you live in the Castro, those same stats would indicate there are 4 single women for every straight single guy, nor that people 25+ often date folks much older than them.



i don't either but many liberal women would free out and call me a child murder. the anties view even touching a gun to be murder and evil. every gun owner is just a mass shooter in the waiting etc.

but whats the point I'd rather be turned down now then after spending hundreds of dollars dating them and getting attached. I like guns, wet shaving and video games. its who I am I'm getting sick of having to hid it :cry:

yeah they exist but they hid it. they don't talk on game and they don't seem to tell others. given half gamers are women then why is it only so very very very few talk about it? I think being a gamer is even worse social repercussions then it does for men.

those states are from the government not me. its likely for every gay woman theres a gay guy so it balances out.
whats castro?


The Castro is a neighborhood in San Francisco where there are tons of gay men -- not so many lesbian women. The point was looking ONLY at # men vs # woman doesn't necessarily tell you much about the # of single, straight women.

Have you considered that your behavior scares women? That they're accusing you of being a child killer not so much because you like videogames and target shooting but because you unconsciously skeeve/creep them out?

And if you're happy with your guns, games and wet shaving hobby, why do you complain that women don't wanna date you?



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28 Jul 2015, 9:39 pm

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I live in a big liberal city and don't consider target shooting a dealbreaker of a hobby but whatevs, don't mention it in your profile or to women when you chat them up. Ditto the wet shaving. I know few girls who don't occasionally play videogames and the nice people at the Conference Board, market research at game makers and the business section of any major paper are all under the impression that women buy/play a good 50% of computer games, so, clearly, girls who game exist.

Your meticulous stats don't take into account the portion of the population that is gay or lesbian, ie if you live in the Castro, those same stats would indicate there are 4 single women for every straight single guy, nor that people 25+ often date folks much older than them.



i don't either but many liberal women would free out and call me a child murder. the anties view even touching a gun to be murder and evil. every gun owner is just a mass shooter in the waiting etc.

but whats the point I'd rather be turned down now then after spending hundreds of dollars dating them and getting attached. I like guns, wet shaving and video games. its who I am I'm getting sick of having to hid it :cry:

yeah they exist but they hid it. they don't talk on game and they don't seem to tell others. given half gamers are women then why is it only so very very very few talk about it? I think being a gamer is even worse social repercussions then it does for men.

those states are from the government not me. its likely for every gay woman theres a gay guy so it balances out.
whats castro?


The Castro is a neighborhood in San Francisco where there are tons of gay men -- not so many lesbian women. The point was looking ONLY at # men vs # woman doesn't necessarily tell you much about the # of single, straight women.

Have you considered that your behavior scares women? That they're accusing you of being a child killer not so much because you like videogames and target shooting but because you unconsciously skeeve/creep them out?

And if you're happy with your guns, games and wet shaving hobby, why do you complain that women don't wanna date you?

women don't accuse me of that directly . the antis do through association. if you own a gun you're the same as a mass shooter logic. I don't talk to women I hardly see women besides walking pass them the few times I go out. but that's the logic of anti gun liberals which make up the majority in the city connected to us. so it goes to be that they would think that about me if they know i shoot and own guns. just looking at a gun would make you a child killer. this no base in reality its illogical thinking but they are illogical people. it'd be like saying anyone who owns a car is a race-car driver.

I'm not so caring about them not liking but more the women in the middle who don't know better and upon being slowly introduced to guns would change their mind and love shooting.

if you're happy with your icecream cone why do you want to do other stuff . idk maybe life ist' just objects and activities. maybe I unlike you want companionship not just what I can squeze out of people and throw them away after. i want real love.



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28 Jul 2015, 9:42 pm

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If you're more powerful than someone, you don't need to treat them as you want them to treat you, because either they won't dare reciprocate your abuse, or they will, but only to be crushed by your might, which will prove once and for all you're above them. Lack of reciprocity proves who is boss.


or thei'll slowly poison you, or get a bunch of weaker people together and take you down, or use a object o overcome your strength. in fact many strong people treat others nicely. I'm stronger then a lot of women and some guys I don't treat them horrible because I can. also weak people do treat people horrible to. has nothing to do with being more powerful and all to do with being a horrible person.

you shouldn't just accept the system. fight it. stop supporting and praising it.



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28 Jul 2015, 10:48 pm

That doesn't count as being more powerful. Real victims are those you can isolate, or at least those patently unable to attract nearly as many powerful allies as you do. You know they have no chance against you, and so do they.


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29 Jul 2015, 1:57 am

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You can see a girl you think you may like, then approach her and make conversation and see if there is a connection. If not, then you haven't invested too much and you can move on. NTs will talk to every girl of their age who they find attractive. It is a numbers game. You don't invest emotions until you find fruit.
Talking to lots and lots of pretty girls? That sounds scary 8O


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29 Jul 2015, 4:12 am

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You can see a girl you think you may like, then approach her and make conversation and see if there is a connection. If not, then you haven't invested too much and you can move on. NTs will talk to every girl of their age who they find attractive. It is a numbers game. You don't invest emotions until you find fruit.
Talking to lots and lots of pretty girls? That sounds scary 8O


Yes, and super creepy. 8O



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29 Jul 2015, 5:25 am

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You can see a girl you think you may like, then approach her and make conversation and see if there is a connection. If not, then you haven't invested too much and you can move on. NTs will talk to every girl of their age who they find attractive. It is a numbers game. You don't invest emotions until you find fruit.
Talking to lots and lots of pretty girls? That sounds scary 8O
Yes, and super creepy. 8O
Do you mean the girls are creepy? Or do you mean the girls think it's creepy when socially awkward guys like us spontaneously small-talk to them?


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29 Jul 2015, 6:49 am

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You can see a girl you think you may like, then approach her and make conversation and see if there is a connection. If not, then you haven't invested too much and you can move on. NTs will talk to every girl of their age who they find attractive. It is a numbers game. You don't invest emotions until you find fruit.
Talking to lots and lots of pretty girls? That sounds scary 8O
Yes, and super creepy. 8O
Do you mean the girls are creepy? Or do you mean the girls think it's creepy when socially awkward guys like us spontaneously small-talk to them?


Girls will likely find awkward guys trying to small-talk them creepy. However, IMHO, trying to talk to as many pretty girls as possible is super-creepy, regardless if you are awkward or not, and regardless if it works or not. But the latter is my opinion, which I obviously don't share with NTs.



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29 Jul 2015, 6:39 pm

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Just because you have whatever hobbies you want doesn't mean you need to tolerate them in a prospective partner, especially if you can afford to be really picky.


treat others as you want to be treated.

Exactly. If a prospective partner discovered I had a hobby they couldn't (or didn't want to) tolerate, and I wouldn't give it up, I'd expect them to discontinue dating me.



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29 Jul 2015, 7:59 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
rdos wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Robert312 wrote:
You can see a girl you think you may like, then approach her and make conversation and see if there is a connection. If not, then you haven't invested too much and you can move on. NTs will talk to every girl of their age who they find attractive. It is a numbers game. You don't invest emotions until you find fruit.
Talking to lots and lots of pretty girls? That sounds scary 8O
Yes, and super creepy. 8O
Do you mean the girls are creepy? Or do you mean the girls think it's creepy when socially awkward guys like us spontaneously small-talk to them?


It depends on where and how you begin randomly speaking to pretty girls (or other humans) -- "do you know when the next bus is expected?" at a bus stop or "your basset hound is adorable. May I pet her?" to a lady walking a basset hound are pretty innocuous.

You may also want to consider not taking a girl not being happy to chat with you at that second personally. It's possible she's busy, lost in her thoughts or just not in the mood to talk to anybody that day.



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30 Jul 2015, 2:39 am

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It's kind of a numbers game but it's one I've been more optimistic about in recent times. I just use dating sites because I'm not good at asking out girls I've met in meatspace (they always get surprised when they find out I want to be more than friends, that surprise doesn't happen when I date girls from dating sites).

Anyway, think of it like The Drake Equation! Take the population of your city. Divide by two. That's the number of females. Now look up the demographics and find out the number in your age group. For example, in my city there are approximately 70,000 women between the ages of 20 - 29 inclusive.

Then you estimate the number of those likely to be single, and the number of those likely to be on dating sites. Then you start spamming those girls with messages. Remember, it's a numbers game so you have to spam as many girls as possible. If you odds of your pairing up are 1 in 10,000, that means you have to message 10,000 girls. It should take a few years.

So you just have to think of the number of girls who will reply to your message and the number of those who will go out with you and the number of those who will last beyond the first date and the number of those who will be willing to enter into a long term relationship with you and Presto! You have the formula for success!

While you're at it, don't forget to do do things to make yourself more eligable. This will improve your results from the equation by increasing the percentage of girls who will want to be with you. For example. After I lost about 100 lbs, moved into my own place, quit my job and got a higher paying job, and started taking night classes, the interest I got from girls shot up dramatically.

If those things don't work you can get a hobby or work on taking the perfect profile pic. I've heard that it's best to have a profile pic in an interesting outdoor or social setting (though I haven't tried this myself, my profile pic was just a selfie in my living room). Remember girls love guys with a hobby (I should get one myself). Also the more friends you have the better, since a lot of girls are looking to expand their circle of friends (they want your friends as their friends).

let's see... total population: 50k, that's 25k women; age range 23-35 (very generous here), 2%, so that's... 300-ish woman in my age range.
amount that are single; lets be generous again and say 50%: that makes 150 women.
those who aren't "girly girls" (who i can't live with, so won't try), perhaps 20 left; those of these that don't smoke: 5
that's the end of your numbers game; out of the 50k people i can meet on a regular basis, there's 5 that don't posess at least one hard dealbreaker (and i don't think mine are that specific); your little 'drake equation' might work in a big US city, but far from everyone lives there.

i have also asked OKC to find me someone who would match nicely, so i set up a few filters: min age 5 years under me, max age 4 years over; single, looking, non-smoking, no more than 1 foot shorter than me, lifing within an hour drive by car: zero matches; so i spammed them...

i know that it is often said that the first 100 messages don't count and should be practice, but i don't have that amount of potentials, i cannot afford to 'spam' around and hope for the 5% to return, i need to make each message count, even a single answer if i message everyone with a bit of a chance will give me 15% or more response rate...

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It depends on where and how you begin randomly speaking to pretty girls (or other humans) -- "do you know when the next bus is expected?" at a bus stop or "your basset hound is adorable. May I pet her?" to a lady walking a basset hound are pretty innocuous.

You may also want to consider not taking a girl not being happy to chat with you at that second personally. It's possible she's busy, lost in her thoughts or just not in the mood to talk to anybody that day.

that's very, very scary, and creepy. not something i'd ever do without extreme anxiety rushing around: i'd look like a rapist or a serial killer looking for his next victim (or both), if i'm lucky...



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30 Jul 2015, 3:08 am

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let's see... total population: 50k, that's 25k women; age range 23-35 (very generous here), 2%, so that's... 300-ish woman in my age range.


How did you arrive at only 2% of your population being 23-35 years old. That sounds highly atypical. You must live were all the young one's have moved elsewhere, and then you probably need to move too.

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It depends on where and how you begin randomly speaking to pretty girls (or other humans) -- "do you know when the next bus is expected?" at a bus stop or "your basset hound is adorable. May I pet her?" to a lady walking a basset hound are pretty innocuous.

You may also want to consider not taking a girl not being happy to chat with you at that second personally. It's possible she's busy, lost in her thoughts or just not in the mood to talk to anybody that day.

that's very, very scary, and creepy. not something i'd ever do without extreme anxiety rushing around: i'd look like a rapist or a serial killer looking for his next victim (or both), if i'm lucky...


Definitely. And what's the use of asking people when the next bus is expected? It doesn't lead anywhere. And for the basset, chances are you'll end up in the hospital with serious dog bites. :roll:



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30 Jul 2015, 6:34 pm

izzeme wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
It's kind of a numbers game but it's one I've been more optimistic about in recent times. I just use dating sites because I'm not good at asking out girls I've met in meatspace (they always get surprised when they find out I want to be more than friends, that surprise doesn't happen when I date girls from dating sites).

Anyway, think of it like The Drake Equation! Take the population of your city. Divide by two. That's the number of females. Now look up the demographics and find out the number in your age group. For example, in my city there are approximately 70,000 women between the ages of 20 - 29 inclusive.

Then you estimate the number of those likely to be single, and the number of those likely to be on dating sites. Then you start spamming those girls with messages. Remember, it's a numbers game so you have to spam as many girls as possible. If you odds of your pairing up are 1 in 10,000, that means you have to message 10,000 girls. It should take a few years.

So you just have to think of the number of girls who will reply to your message and the number of those who will go out with you and the number of those who will last beyond the first date and the number of those who will be willing to enter into a long term relationship with you and Presto! You have the formula for success!

While you're at it, don't forget to do do things to make yourself more eligable. This will improve your results from the equation by increasing the percentage of girls who will want to be with you. For example. After I lost about 100 lbs, moved into my own place, quit my job and got a higher paying job, and started taking night classes, the interest I got from girls shot up dramatically.

If those things don't work you can get a hobby or work on taking the perfect profile pic. I've heard that it's best to have a profile pic in an interesting outdoor or social setting (though I haven't tried this myself, my profile pic was just a selfie in my living room). Remember girls love guys with a hobby (I should get one myself). Also the more friends you have the better, since a lot of girls are looking to expand their circle of friends (they want your friends as their friends).

let's see... total population: 50k, that's 25k women; age range 23-35 (very generous here), 2%, so that's... 300-ish woman in my age range.
amount that are single; lets be generous again and say 50%: that makes 150 women.
those who aren't "girly girls" (who i can't live with, so won't try), perhaps 20 left; those of these that don't smoke: 5
that's the end of your numbers game; out of the 50k people i can meet on a regular basis, there's 5 that don't posess at least one hard dealbreaker (and i don't think mine are that specific); your little 'drake equation' might work in a big US city, but far from everyone lives there.

i have also asked OKC to find me someone who would match nicely, so i set up a few filters: min age 5 years under me, max age 4 years over; single, looking, non-smoking, no more than 1 foot shorter than me, lifing within an hour drive by car: zero matches; so i spammed them...

i know that it is often said that the first 100 messages don't count and should be practice, but i don't have that amount of potentials, i cannot afford to 'spam' around and hope for the 5% to return, i need to make each message count, even a single answer if i message everyone with a bit of a chance will give me 15% or more response rate...

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It depends on where and how you begin randomly speaking to pretty girls (or other humans) -- "do you know when the next bus is expected?" at a bus stop or "your basset hound is adorable. May I pet her?" to a lady walking a basset hound are pretty innocuous.

You may also want to consider not taking a girl not being happy to chat with you at that second personally. It's possible she's busy, lost in her thoughts or just not in the mood to talk to anybody that day.

that's very, very scary, and creepy. not something i'd ever do without extreme anxiety rushing around: i'd look like a rapist or a serial killer looking for his next victim (or both), if i'm lucky...


Maybe start with addressing the underlying anxiety issues?

Because attempting to exchange pleasantries with women during daylight hours out and about in public (and backing off if they're not up for chatting) is unlikely to make you look like a rapist/serial killer unless you're doing something else to scare them.

Getting or watching a friend's dog for a few weeks is an excellent way to get dates (or was, for me, when I got my retriever) -- you run into the same people 4-5x day, every day, and automatically have something to talk about.



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30 Jul 2015, 6:41 pm

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let's see... total population: 50k, that's 25k women; age range 23-35 (very generous here), 2%, so that's... 300-ish woman in my age range.


I think that saying 2% of the population is 23-35 is on the extreme low end...I'd say it's probably closer to 15-20%. With that said, you are right that the numbers dwindle down extremely quickly once you get into the thick of it. For example, on OkCupid there are probably nearly a thousand or more potential matches within my general area. When I filter them down to the ones I'm truly compatible with, in terms of things like interests, personality, relationship goals, views on the world, etc. I'd say it's less than a dozen. That's one of the problems with being unique I suppose!



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30 Jul 2015, 9:59 pm

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It depends on where and how you begin randomly speaking to pretty girls (or other humans) -- "do you know when the next bus is expected?" at a bus stop or "your basset hound is adorable. May I pet her?" to a lady walking a basset hound are pretty innocuous.
I've had lots of conversations like that with pretty girls I didn't know. The girls didn't react badly but they never went anywhere.

That's the trouble, how to go from one stage to another. I've been Able to go from strangers or friends to dating. That's why all my dates were from dating sites. Only once did I go from dating to relationship.

I often learn repetition and trial and error but if you only date a few times a year that's A slow process. Some of the things I've learned seem obvious now but they weren't. I feel like I should've known them years ago but I couldn't.


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30 Jul 2015, 10:09 pm

I've figured I have trouble not thinking it's way too late because it'd create a cognitive dissonance for me. If I still had a chance, however small, I'd never forgive myself if I didn't do absolutely everything in my power to pursue it. On the other hand, I have no idea at all how to look for that hypothetical chance. I don't have most of the typical resources people take for granted, and this probably only confirms I'm not relationship material, have never been, and will never be.


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