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01 May 2013, 7:33 pm

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A lot of guys seem to want it both ways. They want a subservient woman, but they want her to hold her own and pay her own way. They want her to cook, clean, bear and raise kids if they have kids, (if he wants kids) and then also have a career or at least a job that pays well.

It's kind of like wanting the ease of the life they had with Mom...you know?

I'm sure men have complaints about women's wants too but, I had to say it.

Also a man who wants a subservient woman from an Asian country or Russia or something like that...might be very surprised later on. Some of those cultures are way into money more so than here. And when you grow up not having something sometimes it makes you focus on it even more (like money for instance.)

Those women might seem easy going at first, because they want the heck out of where they are living. It's too bad men can't solve how they relate to women instead of just looking for some unicorn out there.


1. I hate kids.

2. I like Asian women because of the shyer culture, not because they are subservient; in fact, however, I prefer white women from an attractiveness standpoint. Women from Mainland China are not subservient. Ever heard of the stereotype of the Shanghai business woman? I'm sure its the same elsewhere.

3. I hate kids.

4. Cooking and cleaning? That's what maids are for.



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01 May 2013, 7:36 pm

I wasn't talking about anyone in specific Tyri0n other than the one part of the one post where I mentioned you by name.

It is something I have noticed various men say down the years, and I see a lot of posts against American women, on online boards, and on you tube clips about men going to Russia or Asian countries, or the Phillipines for a wife. Those men all say American women are hard, mean, greedy, etc. Sounds to me like they have problems with women full stop.

Thanks for sharing more info though. (I mean it)

What do you mean by shyer culture? More polite? I like politeness too.

I totally agree with you that Asian women are not actually subservient, but, there is a pervasive notion out there among many many men that they are. That's why I said they will get a surprise.



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01 May 2013, 7:36 pm

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And there are a lot of men out there who, like the Master of Coin, refuse to date a woman who doesn't have a sparkling career and isn't pulling in decent bucks. (Making a lot of money.)

Then the same men turn around and say how they hate feminism, hate career women, and just want a nice "subservient Asian girl" - sigh.

I've seen it happen sooo many times.

Men aren't the only ones who have it rough out there in the dating pool, but at least, biology gives you longer to make up your mind and then still have kids (and probably a younger spouse than you are.) So biology is at least in males' favor. Some of you can take some solace in that, I hope.

BTW I know Tyri0n didn't say "make a lot of money" but I felt it was implied, plus I just wanted to talk about all the times I have seen and heard that. ETA: Apparently while I was typing my post, Tyri0n and PsychoSarah posted and basically said what I just did. Lol. In my experience what men do while dating and what they say they want on places like Yahoo comment boards, are polar opposite.


Sounds a lot like what women do.



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01 May 2013, 7:37 pm

It wouldn't shock me if that is the case.

I can only speak from the woman's point of view, and what I've noticed over the years.

Men will have to talk about what it is like for them.



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01 May 2013, 7:41 pm

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I wasn't talking about anyone in specific Tyri0n other than the one part of the one post where I mentioned you by name.

It is something I have noticed various men say down the years, and I see a lot of posts against American women, on online boards, and on you tube clips about men going to Russia or Asian countries, or the Phillipines for a wife. Those men all say American women are hard, mean, greedy, etc. Sounds to me like they have problems with women full stop.

Thanks for sharing more info though. (I mean it)

What do you mean by shyer culture? More polite? I like politeness too.

I totally agree with you that Asian women are not actually subservient, but, there is a pervasive notion out there among many many men that they are. That's why I said they will get a surprise.


I can only speak to Mainland China since that's where I lived, but I mean, the culture is much less extroverted and forceful than the culture in the West. People in general are much quieter and more introverted, and shyness is not considered a negative thing, even in men. Thoughtfulness is valued above personality, and the expression of emotion is very frowned upon. Furthermore, social rules are more spelled out and more intuitive as far as the way my brain works; everything is indirect in that culture. It's rude to speak your mind directly, but I find the way in which things are indirect to be more intuitive. Maybe it's just a personal thing. I feel like I could actually relate to some of the Chinese women I dated, like we think alike; the ones in the West often seem like a completely different species.

However, I am much more attracted to white women. Even though I prefer Chinese culture and have an easier time learning to understand it relative to other Westerners I knew there.



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01 May 2013, 7:42 pm

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Perhaps. I, for one, have lots of contempt for women who are uneducated, underemployed, and yet seek a man for economic security. If any such woman asked me out, I'd be like, "are you f***ing serious?!"


Given that there are a lot more men than women at the bottom of the socio-economic heap, the world would seem to be your oyster.



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01 May 2013, 7:43 pm

(ETA: to Tyri0n)

Thank you. That explained what you meant to me, very well. I also learned something about China. :)

I have heard the same about Japanese social norms.

I would prefer something like that much better, myself. I like things more introverted, subtle and quiet.

It's possible you could find a quiet, shy, polite artist or something like that even in a Western culture. Definitely sounds like you would want an introverted woman if she's a Westerner.

Thanks for explaining so I can understand it. :)



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01 May 2013, 7:48 pm

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Perhaps. I, for one, have lots of contempt for women who are uneducated, underemployed, and yet seek a man for economic security. If any such woman asked me out, I'd be like, "are you f***ing serious?!"


Given that there are a lot more men than women at the bottom of the socio-economic heap, the world would seem to be your oyster.


It does seem true that firms fire women less and hire women more, lately. For once, the fact that women make 60 percent of a man's salary for the same work is working in their favor. Yay, horrible economy?

About the undereducated unemployed women (in Tyri0n's example) who want to date a man of means: Those women might have been raised to believe, or believe independently in, the idea of an old fashioned marriage. In that framework the woman does not work, and either busies herself with social functions or stays home and raises kids and cooks and cleans depending on their socioeconomic status. In that framework the husband is the financial provider and has little obligation at home.

There are supposedly men who want that type of woman...whatever people want as long as both people want the same basic things it can work and who cares, not me. It's only when people are very confused or blame the entire gender they will run into snags.



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01 May 2013, 8:59 pm

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About the undereducated unemployed women (in Tyri0n's example) who want to date a man of means: Those women might have been raised to believe, or believe independently in, the idea of an old fashioned marriage. In that framework the woman does not work, and either busies herself with social functions or stays home and raises kids and cooks and cleans depending on their socioeconomic status. In that framework the husband is the financial provider and has little obligation at home.


Well, there are also the broads who like to ride with the biker dudes.

But, a lot of girls, whilst working on their BA, are also working on their MRS.



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01 May 2013, 9:06 pm

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Somthing to ask, appletheclown, do you actually speak Japanese. A bit of a necessity if you wish to make Japan your new home.
Nihongo? Iie. Miteiru dake desu, arigatou. Konnichio wa! Ippaku ikura desu ka? Hoteru made dou yatte iki masu ka? Tetsudatte itadake masen ka? Ima nanji desu ka? Natto o onegai shimasu! Midzu o kudasai! Kekan o yonde kudasai! Hittakuri ni aimasita! Tasukete!! ! Tasukete Kudasai! Koko gai itai desu. Toriniku o onegai shimasu! Mmmmm, iiiiii, kuufuku no! nadanadanada.....


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01 May 2013, 9:17 pm

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Actually, statistics show that most men prefer women of lower socioeconomic status than themselves. Apparently, female success threatens the male ego. A good thing women like men of higher socioeconomic status, I suppose, though this causes issues in itself.


Nah, I want my wife to pay for my, erm, I mean my kids, Gundam models.



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01 May 2013, 9:20 pm

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Last time I checked, god (yes, not capitalized) was not owned by anyone. Though, it would be interesting if god had an opinion of anime. Now I am humoring myself with the visual of god watching Pokémon.


My God has no owner, as my God I do not own. My President has no owner, as my President I do not own. My galaxy has no owner, as my galaxy I do not own. I could go on forever, but forever I do not own........


God thinks a lot of anime is perverted. He knows, even though there are only a few with good value relate-able to Christianity, he knows solving this dilemma is as easy as writing a book. If he were watching Pokemon, he would most likely imagine, "How am I responsible? This stuff is completely off its rocker! Time to make it work for me....."


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God: Pikachu use thunderbolt god dammit!!


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02 May 2013, 3:05 am

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Popsicle wrote:
I wasn't talking about anyone in specific Tyri0n other than the one part of the one post where I mentioned you by name.

It is something I have noticed various men say down the years, and I see a lot of posts against American women, on online boards, and on you tube clips about men going to Russia or Asian countries, or the Phillipines for a wife. Those men all say American women are hard, mean, greedy, etc. Sounds to me like they have problems with women full stop.

Thanks for sharing more info though. (I mean it)

What do you mean by shyer culture? More polite? I like politeness too.

I totally agree with you that Asian women are not actually subservient, but, there is a pervasive notion out there among many many men that they are. That's why I said they will get a surprise.


I can only speak to Mainland China since that's where I lived, but I mean, the culture is much less extroverted and forceful than the culture in the West. People in general are much quieter and more introverted, and shyness is not considered a negative thing, even in men. Thoughtfulness is valued above personality, and the expression of emotion is very frowned upon. Furthermore, social rules are more spelled out and more intuitive as far as the way my brain works; everything is indirect in that culture. It's rude to speak your mind directly, but I find the way in which things are indirect to be more intuitive. Maybe it's just a personal thing. I feel like I could actually relate to some of the Chinese women I dated, like we think alike; the ones in the West often seem like a completely different species.

However, I am much more attracted to white women. Even though I prefer Chinese culture and have an easier time learning to understand it relative to other Westerners I knew there.


Why on earth would you not just date and/or marry a white woman then? There are lot's of 'shy' white women. To be honest, if a man ever told me he likes asian women because they are so shy and polite and their culture and ooooh aah, but finds white woman much more attractive, I would be gone with the wind.
I would want someone that finds me attractive and desires me.



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02 May 2013, 6:21 am

That does sound like a dilemma: a shy White woman, or a Chinese woman?



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02 May 2013, 7:54 am

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Popsicle wrote:
I wasn't talking about anyone in specific Tyri0n other than the one part of the one post where I mentioned you by name.

It is something I have noticed various men say down the years, and I see a lot of posts against American women, on online boards, and on you tube clips about men going to Russia or Asian countries, or the Phillipines for a wife. Those men all say American women are hard, mean, greedy, etc. Sounds to me like they have problems with women full stop.

Thanks for sharing more info though. (I mean it)

What do you mean by shyer culture? More polite? I like politeness too.

I totally agree with you that Asian women are not actually subservient, but, there is a pervasive notion out there among many many men that they are. That's why I said they will get a surprise.


I can only speak to Mainland China since that's where I lived, but I mean, the culture is much less extroverted and forceful than the culture in the West. People in general are much quieter and more introverted, and shyness is not considered a negative thing, even in men. Thoughtfulness is valued above personality, and the expression of emotion is very frowned upon. Furthermore, social rules are more spelled out and more intuitive as far as the way my brain works; everything is indirect in that culture. It's rude to speak your mind directly, but I find the way in which things are indirect to be more intuitive. Maybe it's just a personal thing. I feel like I could actually relate to some of the Chinese women I dated, like we think alike; the ones in the West often seem like a completely different species.

However, I am much more attracted to white women. Even though I prefer Chinese culture and have an easier time learning to understand it relative to other Westerners I knew there.


Why on earth would you not just date and/or marry a white woman then? There are lot's of 'shy' white women. To be honest, if a man ever told me he likes asian women because they are so shy and polite and their culture and ooooh aah, but finds white woman much more attractive, I would be gone with the wind.
I would want someone that finds me attractive and desires me.


No, it's all about the individual, not about the race. Some Asian women I do find quite attractive. I'm just more likely to find a European/American girl whom I find attractive, particularly in the U.S. People who have preferences to date within certain ethnicities rarely have an absolute preference.

There's always a tension between looks and personality/compatibility. This is what I feel here.