The Problem with Western Men is....

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14 Nov 2009, 2:45 am

Western men (not that I date any or ever will...)

The ones I see on sites like this and "love shyness" blame women for their problems, while they (Despite being unattractive and boring) will only date a very attractive woman.



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14 Nov 2009, 3:33 am

Electricbassguy wrote:
Western men (not that I date any or ever will...)

The ones I see on sites like this and "love shyness" blame women for their problems, while they (Despite being unattractive and boring) will only date a very attractive woman.

BINGO! That's the single biggest problem with frustrated romantics in this country, male or female. Nobody will find love until they learn to be attracted to the qualities of love. Basically, instead of hoping for that horny rich supermodel with 500 friends, you should try going for a good person who has solid relationship qualities.

I will say that far too many men have something to prove in this country. We're over-sexed, under-emotional, over-aggressive, and anti-intellectual because of this 'have something to prove' culture. It's nonsense, and the sooner people get rid of it, the sooner they'll realize it's actually possible to be happy.

Attitude is definitely a big part, even on this site. Women will know if you're 'just settling' for them, and will run faster than a Leopard on crack if you have that type of attitude. Women who previously wanted in your pants will run faster than a Leopard on crack if you have that type of attitude.



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14 Nov 2009, 4:08 am

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Attitude is definitely a big part, even on this site. Women will know if you're 'just settling' for them, and will run faster than a Leopard on crack if you have that type of attitude. Women who previously wanted in your pants will run faster than a Leopard on crack if you have that type of attitude.


See, I totally get that. I don't care much if a woman is "just settling" for me, and would be quite willing to "just settle" for quite some women. Yes, it would be great if I could find very attractive women who are very attracted to me, but that doesn't happen often, and I'd much rather have some fun playing around with great sex and not have to think about whether we are perfectly suited to each other. And acting as if I really like a girl who I'm just settling for is not a preferred option either, as it makes me feel fake and also then I'd feel I'm letting the girl down when I made her think she was ideal.

Can't we show physical intimacy with all this pretense about how the other person is so special, etc? We're aspies, it shouldn't be that difficult to be truthful (NOT in a negative, insulting way of course).



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14 Nov 2009, 7:39 am

A "real man" is more than most modern women deserve.

A "real man" can take care of his own life and extend his protection to his wife and children. Think Daniel Boon and Davie Crocket.

A "real man" will fight and die to protect his woman and children and his friends and neighbors.

Perhaps we are short of real men these days.



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14 Nov 2009, 11:40 am

Women only want your cash and your sperm.
No generalisation meant.



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14 Nov 2009, 11:46 am

Someone evidently doesn't know what "generalization" means.



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14 Nov 2009, 11:53 am

LeMesurier wrote:
Women only want your cash and your sperm.
No generalisation meant.


Well when you're having sex with hookers what do you expect?

Women who want a real relationship are only interested in the guy not the money...


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14 Nov 2009, 3:25 pm

He's a pretty confused little snowflake, isn't he? He actually thinks the hookers who have sex with him to avoid yet another beating by their pimps want his sperm for something or other.



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15 Nov 2009, 8:31 pm

Haven't you folks read Jane Austen? Puhleeze. Nothing has changed. I want children but I am not in a hurry to be on welfare, and that's probably what would happen if I decided to just be a baby maker, instead of a money maker...but before I go too deep, lets discuss the New World Order. I rest my case....It's really not a battle of the sexes. (This world made me this way...I'm actually quite charming :lmao: )


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09 Dec 2009, 2:54 pm

Well, what did we decide? That Western Men are exemplary angels, and that all of the world's women should crave one?



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09 Dec 2009, 3:57 pm

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Well, what did we decide? That Western Men are exemplary angels, and that all of the world's women should crave one?


Ah, comedy...


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09 Dec 2009, 6:57 pm

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Western men should be thankful that muslims are such bastards towards women, they make them look really good by comparison.


This is a generalisation. Possibly even racist.


Indeed, nouthing good can come from this thread but racism and sexism.

I honestly don't understand how anyone can make any judgement on someone just because they're "Western". "Western" isn't even a racial group; a political one maybe, but certainly not a racial one.



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10 Dec 2009, 12:43 am

Why not Caucasians?


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10 Dec 2009, 3:04 am

Dantac wrote:
"I know of some women who think that Mexican men are superior to American men because Mexican men are much more passionate, warmer, chivalrous and more likely to treat a woman like a lady (for example, opening doors for them, etc.). In comparison, American men are cold, boring, and selfish."


I'll take a shot at this one since I think its a slightly incorrect stereotype.

The term is 'latin' men not just 'Mexican' men.

I am the whitest dark blonde latino you'll ever meet but when it comes to social rules your friends are right for the most part. We do tend to be a lot more attentive/warm/chivalrous than the average American male but that's relative to your point of view.

To begin, gender roles and behaviour social rules apply heavily in latin cultures whereas in American culture the woman has become a man with tits (not to offend but this is a literal quote Ive heard from many latinos living in the US and I agree that for the most part this is true).

Hence, an American woman on the receiving end of the smallest socially expected gesture in latin culture (aka the opening of the door for a lady) to her seems like a big act of chivalry. To a latin woman, it is a friendly gesture that is not demanded of the guy but it does show her that he wasn't taught manners by his family... but thats about it.

An American man on the other hand, raised in a culture where woman=man .. there's no need nor social rule to open the door ... the door will be opened by whoever gets to the door first.

And.. well i'll get me head chewed off for saying this but... its one thing to get verbally grilled by an american girl and a whole different thing to be on the receiving end of a latina's emotional outburst. The 2nd one hurts in many different levels.. and places ;)


on the asian female thing... I'll just say that the one reason why I consider asian girls more attractive than white girls is because they are raised to be feminine (not submissive). Even 2nd or 3rd generation asian american girls are markedly more feminine than their white counterparts so its not just a physical thing its mainly how they act. To date I've only met 3 girls in my life that weren't asian that struck me as being extremely attractive mainly because of their personality. One was american, second was french and the third was irish.


Hi. I have to disagree about the chivalry. The latinos get praised for that because lurking under the surface is the fact you guys get credit for being excellent lovers (mostly true from what my latina platonic gfs tell me) so there is a little bit of the "tag-along" effect of chivalry+latino=hot sex, desire=welcome.

The deal is, that white men have been told by libbers that opening doors is unwelcome, and a lot of white women have bought in to this, seeing all white men who open doors as needy whiny nice guys.

So the only way a white male can win today is to be the "anti" chivalry, a bad boy, not needy, on the lookout to "bust" a girl's chops over nothing, a tad bit arrogant, etc. NO way to win.



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10 Dec 2009, 5:14 am

West begins but a small step and has no ending


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11 Dec 2009, 11:16 am

So, the problem with Western (or White/Anglo) men is that they generally fall into one of two categories:

1. needy, whiney "nice guys"

2. arrogant bad boys

Many years ago, this was a popular song:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAqsI8jHqgs[/youtube]

"Bad, bad, bad, bad boys...
Make me feel so good!! !"

I can't think of who originally wrote this song--maybe Madonna?

Perhaps Latin men satisfy simultaneously the need for niceness (opening doors) and the need for naughtiness (by being sufficiently edgy).

But, then again, a Latin man might not find an Anglo girl attractive if she behaves like a "man with tits."