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23 Aug 2010, 3:44 pm

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You mean they're not going to be wondering about what it would be like if they were 30 years younger?

I have no idea what they would be wondering. They are not a doddery old couple. 60 these days is not the same as 60 long ago. And he is not a bitter person. He seems very greatful.

I dont go around going, "if only that happend when i was 20 not now", how very different from me you think.

another thing is about 1/3 of my relatives died spinsters/bacholors so its quite common in my family and my uncle would not have seen that lifestyle as terribly unusual.


you mean they actually have sex at their age? my hydraulics are already starting to get leaky, for which a vasodilator is the only palliative solution, and i am not yet your uncle's age. a relationship sans sex is, IMHO more trouble than it is worth, especially after a decades-long deprivation. sex is a necessary glue to hold a loving couple together.

Im not going to ask him, I might have aspergers but Im not that tactless.

I asked my mum about peoples negative reaction to my uncles story as I just find it so positive and hopeful, and she said 'they are obviously single as they are bitter and negative people'.


The story about your uncle is kinda sweet. If he is happy with it more power to him. How old is the woman he with? As for the crass aspect, there are plenty of pills for that.

she is only 40 and very pretty, slim and a librarian!



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23 Aug 2010, 4:17 pm

That's very hot! :bounce: :heart:



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23 Aug 2010, 4:52 pm

I actually think men in general, not just Aspie men, are more likely to find their soulmate at a later age. Even if we had the social skills and social IQ to survive in the dating world at a younger age, even most NT/NT relationships crumble. People live with each other for a long time only to find out things about each other that they never knew and won't tolerate...people grow apart...and so on. At age 35-45, it isn't too late to either find a younger woman who's sick of the dating game...or a childless woman your own age who got divorced or never got married to begin with.

Women (not girls, which is what a lot of 20somethings still are regardless of their age) are more tolerant of small differences and also are more likely to be the relaxed/homebody/non-partier type that Aspies like.



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23 Aug 2010, 4:57 pm

lotusblossom wrote:
RICKY5 wrote:
lotusblossom wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
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You mean they're not going to be wondering about what it would be like if they were 30 years younger?

I have no idea what they would be wondering. They are not a doddery old couple. 60 these days is not the same as 60 long ago. And he is not a bitter person. He seems very greatful.

I dont go around going, "if only that happend when i was 20 not now", how very different from me you think.

another thing is about 1/3 of my relatives died spinsters/bacholors so its quite common in my family and my uncle would not have seen that lifestyle as terribly unusual.


you mean they actually have sex at their age? my hydraulics are already starting to get leaky, for which a vasodilator is the only palliative solution, and i am not yet your uncle's age. a relationship sans sex is, IMHO more trouble than it is worth, especially after a decades-long deprivation. sex is a necessary glue to hold a loving couple together.

Im not going to ask him, I might have aspergers but Im not that tactless.

I asked my mum about peoples negative reaction to my uncles story as I just find it so positive and hopeful, and she said 'they are obviously single as they are bitter and negative people'.


The story about your uncle is kinda sweet. If he is happy with it more power to him. How old is the woman he with? As for the crass aspect, there are plenty of pills for that.

she is only 40 and very pretty, slim and a librarian!


The lucky sod. 8)


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23 Aug 2010, 4:59 pm

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I actually think men in general, not just Aspie men, are more likely to find their soulmate at a later age. Even if we had the social skills and social IQ to survive in the dating world at a younger age, even most NT/NT relationships crumble. People live with each other for a long time only to find out things about each other that they never knew and won't tolerate...people grow apart...and so on. At age 35-45, it isn't too late to either find a younger woman who's sick of the dating game...or a childless woman your own age who got divorced or never got married to begin with.

Women (not girls, which is what a lot of 20somethings still are regardless of their age) are more tolerant of small differences and also are more likely to be the relaxed/homebody/non-partier type that Aspies like.


Also, you tend to learn more about yourself and grow up too. It's not all about what other people do. I think as each year goes by my 'chances' of finding good relationships increase.


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23 Aug 2010, 5:57 pm

Wow, I just read some of the posts linked to in that blog, that's some funny sh*t. I couldn't even muster up being offended, the whole PUA thing is just so ridiculous that I have to laugh, it's like reading something Brucie from GTA IV would write. Genetically different baby!


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23 Aug 2010, 6:09 pm

oh really? then that sounds worthy of a laugh



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23 Aug 2010, 6:40 pm

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This article pretty much sums up my thoughts. He obviously watches Married With Children.

No one, including myself or the article writer, is proclaiming Sodini, a hero. He was a nutcase. But there is something wrong with a society that doesn't reward the guy that works his a$$ off and plays by the rules, and allows emotionally and physically abusive men to get all the women they want.


+1QFT :idea:

wtf? you are blaming the women for choosing abusive men? MEN TURN THEM INTO VICTIMS. and yes, the women then return to the same cycle and perpetuate the problem. but it isn't like some 15 year old girl is thinking, "if only i could find myself some guy to beat the s**t out of me and make me feel worthless..." so how about changing your attitudes and trying to value women instead of trying to use them as sex objects (i.e. someone to take your v-card, or someone to buy sex from - in the examples you two gave).


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23 Aug 2010, 6:56 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
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This article pretty much sums up my thoughts. He obviously watches Married With Children.

No one, including myself or the article writer, is proclaiming Sodini, a hero. He was a nutcase. But there is something wrong with a society that doesn't reward the guy that works his a$$ off and plays by the rules, and allows emotionally and physically abusive men to get all the women they want.


+1QFT :idea:

wtf? you are blaming the women for choosing abusive men? MEN TURN THEM INTO VICTIMS. and yes, the women then return to the same cycle and perpetuate the problem. but it isn't like some 15 year old girl is thinking, "if only i could find myself some guy to beat the sh** out of me and make me feel worthless..." so how about changing your attitudes and trying to value women instead of trying to use them as sex objects (i.e. someone to take your v-card, or someone to buy sex from - in the examples you two gave).


I don't like to speak for others, but I'm sure AB was +1ing this part;

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there is something wrong with a society that doesn't reward the guy that works his a$$ off and plays by the rules, and allows emotionally and physically abusive men to get all the women they want.


Which I would think all sane people would agree with.

I wonder if the Mercury retrograde is causing all the hypersensitivity and misunderstandings on the forum recently.


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23 Aug 2010, 7:06 pm

Moog wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
foreveryoung wrote:
This article pretty much sums up my thoughts. He obviously watches Married With Children.

No one, including myself or the article writer, is proclaiming Sodini, a hero. He was a nutcase. But there is something wrong with a society that doesn't reward the guy that works his a$$ off and plays by the rules, and allows emotionally and physically abusive men to get all the women they want.


+1QFT :idea:

wtf? you are blaming the women for choosing abusive men? MEN TURN THEM INTO VICTIMS. and yes, the women then return to the same cycle and perpetuate the problem. but it isn't like some 15 year old girl is thinking, "if only i could find myself some guy to beat the sh** out of me and make me feel worthless..." so how about changing your attitudes and trying to value women instead of trying to use them as sex objects (i.e. someone to take your v-card, or someone to buy sex from - in the examples you two gave).


I don't like to speak for others, but I'm sure AB was +1ing this part;

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there is something wrong with a society that doesn't reward the guy that works his a$$ off and plays by the rules, and allows emotionally and physically abusive men to get all the women they want.


Which I would think all sane people would agree with.

I wonder if the Mercury retrograde is causing all the hypersensitivity and misunderstandings on the forum recently.


okay, here's a better quote that illustrates what i was highlighting:

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I never said women were rewards for good behavior. If you read what I posted correctly, I said that women choose to go for emotionally and physically abusive guys instead of going for well-behaved men because well-behaved men aren't "exciting" enough. I guess being beat and cheated on is exciting, *shrugs.*


i didn't misunderstand anything.


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23 Aug 2010, 7:30 pm

Moog wrote:

I don't like to speak for others, but I'm sure AB was +1ing this part;

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there is something wrong with a society that doesn't reward the guy that works his a$$ off and plays by the rules, and allows emotionally and physically abusive men to get all the women they want.


Which I would think all sane people would agree with.

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I'm sane and I don't agree with it. Women aren't rewards that men "get" . We are people. In countries without arranged marriages, we have relationships with who we want to spend our time and hopefully our lives with. This whole idea that women are owed to men who work their a$$ off and play by the rules is dehumanizing. It's dehumanizing to say that women are owed to men for any reason. It turns women into things that men earn rather than people that men have relationships with. A man who works his a$$ off deserves money from his employer. But women aren't property (anymore, at least in most countries) that are given to men as a reward.

What the OP and the blog writer are actually bemoaning is the fact that women are no longer considered property. Boo hoo.

Women get to make up their own minds about who to be with. If that counts as a tragedy to some men, then they are not the actual "nice guys" they call themselves.



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23 Aug 2010, 8:09 pm

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I'm sane and I don't agree with it. Women aren't rewards that men "get" . We are people. In countries without arranged marriages, we have relationships with who we want to spend our time and hopefully our lives with. This whole idea that women are owed to men who work their a$$ off and play by the rules is dehumanizing. It's dehumanizing to say that women are owed to men for any reason. It turns women into things that men earn rather than people that men have relationships with. A man who works his a$$ off deserves money from his employer. But women aren't property (anymore, at least in most countries) that are given to men as a reward.

What the OP and the blog writer are actually bemoaning is the fact that women are no longer considered property. Boo hoo.

Women get to make up their own minds about who to be with. If that counts as a tragedy to some men, then they are not the actual "nice guys" they call themselves.


Men, this is why women should not vote. Women's suffrage was the greatest tragedy in human history. Women have zero natural empathy for men. I am married and my wife does have empathy/sympathy for me and for other men in her family. But she doesn't have empathy for men generally. No women do, which is why women should never be allowed to vote.


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23 Aug 2010, 8:12 pm

Janissy wrote:
Moog wrote:

I don't like to speak for others, but I'm sure AB was +1ing this part;

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there is something wrong with a society that doesn't reward the guy that works his a$$ off and plays by the rules, and allows emotionally and physically abusive men to get all the women they want.


Which I would think all sane people would agree with.

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I'm sane and I don't agree with it. Women aren't rewards that men "get" . We are people. In countries without arranged marriages, we have relationships with who we want to spend our time and hopefully our lives with. This whole idea that women are owed to men who work their a$$ off and play by the rules is dehumanizing. It's dehumanizing to say that women are owed to men for any reason. It turns women into things that men earn rather than people that men have relationships with. A man who works his a$$ off deserves money from his employer. But women aren't property (anymore, at least in most countries) that are given to men as a reward.

What the OP and the blog writer are actually bemoaning is the fact that women are no longer considered property. Boo hoo.

Women get to make up their own minds about who to be with. If that counts as a tragedy to some men, then they are not the actual "nice guys" they call themselves.


Janissy, I'm not suggesting that I think women are rewards for anything. I'm saying that people should get what they deserve. If you read the statement I quoted without the context of a thread about some slightly dodgy fellah thinking the world owes him a woman, I think it's perfectly reasonable. Perhaps I shouldn't do that? If so, mea culpa.


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23 Aug 2010, 8:16 pm

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Janissy, I'm not suggesting that I think women are rewards for anything.


Why not? A good woman should be a reward for being a good man, just as a good man should be a reward for being a good woman.


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23 Aug 2010, 8:35 pm

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Janissy, I'm not suggesting that I think women are rewards for anything.


Why not? A good woman should be a reward for being a good man, just as a good man should be a reward for being a good woman.


Maybe. I don't know. I'm not touching this one again, got better things to do. I was just sticking up for my auntie :lol:


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23 Aug 2010, 8:44 pm

Moog wrote:
I wonder if the Mercury retrograde is causing all the hypersensitivity and misunderstandings on the forum recently.


thank you for defending me, Moog :)
the "mercury retrograde" is the painted backdrop to the dissension on this thread, which fundamentally has more to do with the intransigence of some advantaged types who have bought into [and are profitably invested in] the punitive present social regime.