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28 Feb 2011, 11:14 am

01001011 wrote:

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One thing I don't understand is why people (esp. girls) think
mysticism = spiritual = deep
science and rational = shallow

Let's add a few more keywords:

intuition, feeling, direct experience, right brain, traditionally female principles or qualities + mysticism = spiritual = deep

logic, abstraction, detachment, left brain, traditionally male principles or qualities + science and rational = shallow

Does that help?

So love of science and rationality is a turn off for most girls. How sad.

I'm the opposite. I much prefer someone who uses logic and science, all the spiritual stuff doesn't do it for me.

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28 Feb 2011, 11:34 am

I am not referring to anyone here but it seems the attitude of many 'spiritual' people is more like
"It is OK to be rational as long as you don't analyze my fairy tale with reason."

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28 Feb 2011, 12:02 pm

emlion wrote:

So love of science and rationality is a turn off for most girls. How sad.

I'm the opposite. I much prefer someone who uses logic and science, all the spiritual stuff doesn't do it for me.[/quote]
I've only ever known one girl who was really logical - "logical to a fault" as her tutor would sadly describe her - I could see how she might become a pain in the butt with it, but she never annoyed me with it......I found it very refreshing.

I've lost count of the number of times I've come out with a perfectly sound logical argument to a girl, and seen it drop like pearls before swine.

Actually I'm heavily interested in the other side of my brain too, because that's the side I need for sorting out most of my problems with close relationships with people. But I'd never call it spiritual.....for me there is no spirit....I just see it as the artistic, emotional, creative, intiitive side. It does seem to glitter with magic, because it's so woolly and mysterious, and at its best it makes logic look like just turning the boring handles, but I can't live in that side of my brain permanently, I always gravitate back to rationality in the end.

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28 Feb 2011, 12:19 pm

01001011 wrote:

Moog wrote:

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One thing I don't understand is why people (esp. girls) think
mysticism = spiritual = deep
science and rational = shallow

So love of science and rationality is a turn off for most girls. How sad.

You've over concluded.

Let me be clearer. Speaking (very) generally and (very) simplistically, all that right brain stuff is meant to be the domain of women. They tend to be 'more into it', and naturally equipped for it.

Likewise with the left stuff and men (and aspies, it would appear).

Most people play to their strengths, and often find dealing with people from the 'other side' to be a pain in the bum.

You might think it's sad that some people are naturally interested in and operate from the other side of the coin, but think about it from the other perspective. There's a lot of folks out there who would say it's sad when people are all logic and rationality.

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I am not referring to anyone here but it seems the attitude of many 'spiritual' people is more like
"It is OK to be rational as long as you don't analyze my fairy tale with reason."

If people don't want you to analyse their fairy tales, then you probably shouldn't. Using the phrase 'fairy tale' is a red flag that you obviously have no respect at all for such things. There's really no need to be disrespectful of people causing no harm with their beliefs.

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28 Feb 2011, 3:20 pm

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I would never date a born again Christian. To religious. Plain and simple, my secular views do not mesh well with a person with strong religous ones.

I will be completely honest, a person being very religous may very well be a liability with me, especially if it is dogmatic faith.

Would you date a liberal christian though?

Stop being so needy. It is hurting you.

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28 Feb 2011, 3:33 pm

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Atheism isn't an absence of religion, or an absence of anything. Atheism is quite simply the belief that there is no higher power or deity responsible for the creation of the universe, just as Christianity might be defined as the worship of Christ as the earthly incarnation of the universal creator of the Hebrew religion. Atheism is often accompanied by the dogma that there is nothing beyond this life and that nothing exists besides or beyond the physically definable universe. Christianity, and its various denominations, has many different and often conflicting dogmas as well, and in fact, few Christians agree on very much of anything beyond God and Jesus. When I think of Atheism, I think of Dr. House. He believes in what he can see and perceive and measure and nothing else. For him, objective reality is all there is. In that sense, atheism is a faith in that it is a set of beliefs that define how one sees the world. It is not an organized religion, but it meets the criteria to be called simply a "religion".

An absence of religion would more accurately be applied to someone who has no beliefs about God or spirituality one way or the other. If that describes you, you should probably identify yourself as non religious or agnostic.
In other words

Atheism=There is no god
Absence of religion=I don't know and I don't care

I disagree.
Atheism has two meanings:

1-the doctrine or belief that there is no God
2-a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

I am the case 2-

I don't believe because I am not convinced by the god concept anymore in order to believe , so I just can't believe. It's not a matter of choice for me.

But if God appears just in front of me right now, I'll believe again.

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28 Feb 2011, 3:51 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

But if God appears just in front of me right now, I'll believe again.

but would you worship him? I would hope I would give him a good kick!

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28 Feb 2011, 4:37 pm

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Well, there goes my chances officially... I'm a practicing christian, but i'm not one of those in-your-face-about-it ones, nor do i have a problem with other people not believing the same thing I do. I'd probably do better with an athiest than a christian anyway, since I'm a rather unusual christian given that I'm a gamer, I swear a lot and make dirty/sleazy/racist jokes a lot, I have no problems with homosexuals at all (in fact i have a bigger problem with the gay-bashers than i do the gays), and things like that. But this thread demonstrates that even though I consider myself a "normal person" in this respect (in that I generally agree with things that are scientific fact like the earth is 4~5 billion years old), athiests still have a problem with the fact that I can believe in things like Jesus as well...

You might do well with a Unitarian or a Quaker or a liberal Catholic (yes, there are lots of liberal Catholics,

I am not sure the Unitarian or Quaker would tolerate the racist jokes. I am a Unitarian-Universalist, I also know alot of quakers, racist jokes don't go very far because of the whole social justice aspect of both faiths, especially the UUs.

Beyond that honestly I think you would get along fine with most mainline/liberal protestants you find in New England and the Mid-Atlantic, and parts of the Great Lakes region. (The little c was intentional). The whole anti-gay thing is much more a part of the evangelical/born again wing. Most mainline protestants are actually fairly pro lgbt if its the liberal faiths (like UU and Congregationalists), or indifferent. I think it is one of the harder things to understand about faith in America is it is often far more complicated than people think. You have the social justice/mainline branch, and the conservative/evangelical branch. It is often very regional where there is concentrations of one vs. the other.

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28 Feb 2011, 4:42 pm

lotusblossom wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

But if God appears just in front of me right now, I'll believe again.

but would you worship him? I would hope I would give him a good kick!

I dunno, he should give me a good reason to worship him.

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28 Feb 2011, 5:37 pm

Wow, this thread has become a bashing zone. :roll:

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28 Feb 2011, 5:39 pm

Religion and politics. It brings out the inner cretin in everyone

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28 Feb 2011, 5:39 pm

hale_bopp wrote:

Wow, this thread has become a bashing zone. :roll:

Seems like it always ends up like that when you start talking about religion, which is why I don't...

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28 Feb 2011, 5:42 pm

only lotus's post can be described as bashing.

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28 Feb 2011, 5:44 pm

As far as I can see its the whole atheist superiority coming out again. And then they ask "Why won't people date an atheist?"

I wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot pole because I hate arrogance.

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28 Feb 2011, 5:45 pm

^ Now, who's bashing who? :roll:

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28 Feb 2011, 5:46 pm

hale_bopp wrote:

As far as I can see its the whole atheist superiority coming out again. And then they ask "Why won't people date an atheist?"

I wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot pole because I hate arrogance.

Wtf, not all athiests are like that.
I'm an athiest but i'd never bash someone for believing in something different.
Each to their own.

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