Why men are increasingly preferring Video Games over dating

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03 Apr 2011, 11:37 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

And?

That has more to do with taking your partner for granted than what your partner is doing/not doing. Men have been blowing off their wives for golf, fishing, hunting... etc for YEARS.

Video games is just the next fishing trip.

Forest for the tree. This is one supporting point we are quibbling over, not the main point. Also doesn't 72% seem high to you?

Also keep in mind this didn't concern wives who could have different numbers for various reasons, but girlfriends. Although I suppose you could argue that girlfriends are at times indistinguishable from wives but that would just be semantics and wouldn't actually prove any point, except for inclusion of an argument as a possibility.

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03 Apr 2011, 11:39 pm

Uh... you just confused me. I'll come back to this when I'm sober. haha

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03 Apr 2011, 11:46 pm

I can understand the use of cost-benefit analysis in this situation, but the problem is that the author plugged in his personal values into the equation.

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Socializing with good male friends:
- I invest 1 point of effort to get 90 points of social & emotional value

Socializing with good male friends & Sugar Babies*:
- I invest 1 point of effort to get 95 points of social & emotional value

Getting involved in lots of hobbies and playing video games:
- I invest 1 point of effort to get 90 points of fulfillment

VS.

Dating women:
- I invest a 1000 points of effort to get back 50 points of social & emotional fulfillment (to get with an average woman)

- I invest 10,000 points of effort to get back a 100 points of social & emotional fulfillment (to get a perfect woman you click with perfectly)

*- Again, we’re assuming one can afford a sugar-baby.

He just pulled the numbers out of his ass. Maybe they work for him. But I have a different set of values and therefore a different set of numbers:

Socializing with good male friends:
- I invest 1 point of effort to get 50 points of social & emotional value, because I can't tell male friends (who are essentially just "bros" and not people I would confide in with the very essence of my soul) any of my deepest secrets, and thus there is a hard limit

Getting involved in lots of hobbies and playing video games:
- I invest 1 point of effort to get 200 points of fulfillment. Yeah, I can enjoy a good video game. The problem is, continued investment provides diminishing returns in most cases as the routine sets in and I realize I'm pissing away more time on things. And I'd eventually get bored of the game or hobby and not want to do it anymore for a while.

VS.

Dating women:
- I invest a 10,000 points of effort (to get with an average woman) to get back 100 points of social & emotional fulfillment. Note that the input value a whole magnitude higher than he put it, but there's also more of a return (but not significantly so)

- I invest 1,000,000 points of effort (to get a perfect woman you click with perfectly) to get back infinity points of social & emotional fulfillment. That's right. f*****g infinity. The fulfillment I get by being with someone I can click with on a deeply spiritual level cannot be measured or quantified. But, given the even more staggering input effort level, on the outside sometimes it feels like a nigerian prince scam, and is too good to be true...

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03 Apr 2011, 11:57 pm

@Steel

You argument is too relative, by that reasoning none of his arguments are of any use as every man would have vastly different values.(This is how I took your argument, my apologies if incorrect)

But I am sure you would see that for many the values would be similar?

I also should point out that he is not questioning the value of a good woman, he is just questioning the amount of effort he has put into it and is drawing conclusions based on attributes that would hint that others follow a similar value set up and reasoning.

For your such a connection is the end-all the most valuable thing that you could have or be associated with it makes sense for you to put so much effort into finding that connection, for others this is not the case and they would prefer to devote their time to something else.

So that is to say he has determined that such a woman does not condone the amount of effort he is putting into finding one, he is also claiming that other men at increasing rates are reaching the same conclusion using his values.

Your values do not contradict his claims by their existence but I would say they(and your willingness to adhere to them) are admirable none the less.

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04 Apr 2011, 12:52 am

ikorack wrote:

I'm not saying his personal values don't apply to him. But just as not all women are feminazis, not all men want to play xbox instead of connecting with a real human being...

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04 Apr 2011, 1:44 am

ToadOfSteel wrote:

ikorack wrote:

I'm not saying his personal values don't apply to him. But just as not all women are feminazis, not all men want to play xbox instead of connecting with a real human being...

He did not say all women are nazi's he just said he cannot find one(a woman of quality(quality being the chosen definition), not a woman who is not a nazi) who isn't and therefore he has no reason to continue looking, he is asserting that his effort is undue.

But you sidestepped my main point, do you think that the majority of men can be classified as having roughly the same(or comparable) values? In regards to this evaluation of his that is?

His whole arguments rest upon other men having similar values to his. He did not by the way assert that all women are nazis. Nor did he assert that all men want to play xbox instead of connecting with a real human being.

Also keep in mind his judgment is not based on connecting with any human being, but on connecting with a human being which meets what he views as reasonable standards(Which would differ between men but be roughly at the same level).

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04 Apr 2011, 2:01 am

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Bethie wrote:

The mass-psychological and societal implications involved if many men choose to place short-term satisfaction and amusement over cultivating romantic relationships and families is quite disturbing.

What implications do you see?

I simply see men sparing themselves a lot of trouble for what amounts to very little reward.

The ultimate result is the wholesale replacement of western civilization with an Islamic patriarchy.

The reproductive statistics objectively show that western women are for the most part, defective.

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04 Apr 2011, 2:49 am

Molecular_Biologist wrote:

RICKY5 wrote:

Bethie wrote:

The mass-psychological and societal implications involved if many men choose to place short-term satisfaction and amusement over cultivating romantic relationships and families is quite disturbing.

What implications do you see?

I simply see men sparing themselves a lot of trouble for what amounts to very little reward.

The ultimate result is the wholesale replacement of western civilization with an Islamic patriarchy.

The reproductive statistics objectively show that western women are for the most part, defective.

Eh Islams don't have a geographic connection so they cannot just swarm us as they have you. We may however go to a more Hispanic nation but as long as they are adapted it shouldn't be a problem missionaries made them pretty compatible with us.

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04 Apr 2011, 12:08 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:

I can understand the use of cost-benefit analysis in this situation, but the problem is that the author plugged in his personal values into the equation.

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He just pulled the numbers out of his ass. Maybe they work for him. But I have a different set of values and therefore a different set of numbers:

Socializing with good male friends:
- I invest 1 point of effort to get 50 points of social & emotional value, because I can't tell male friends (who are essentially just "bros" and not people I would confide in with the very essence of my soul) any of my deepest secrets, and thus there is a hard limit

Getting involved in lots of hobbies and playing video games:
- I invest 1 point of effort to get 200 points of fulfillment. Yeah, I can enjoy a good video game. The problem is, continued investment provides diminishing returns in most cases as the routine sets in and I realize I'm pissing away more time on things. And I'd eventually get bored of the game or hobby and not want to do it anymore for a while.

VS.

Dating women:
- I invest a 10,000 points of effort (to get with an average woman) to get back 100 points of social & emotional fulfillment. Note that the input value a whole magnitude higher than he put it, but there's also more of a return (but not significantly so)

- I invest 1,000,000 points of effort (to get a perfect woman you click with perfectly) to get back infinity points of social & emotional fulfillment. That's right. f***ing infinity. The fulfillment I get by being with someone I can click with on a deeply spiritual level cannot be measured or quantified. But, given the even more staggering input effort level, on the outside sometimes it feels like a nigerian prince scam, and is too good to be true...

Look at it this way ToS; if there really are a lot of men who would rather boink plastic than have a relationship, you'll just look that much better in comparison. Your competition is removing itself from the scene, clearing a path for you.

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04 Apr 2011, 12:52 pm

Janissy wrote:

if there really are a lot of men who would rather boink plastic than have a relationship, you'll just look that much better in comparison. Your competition is removing itself from the scene, clearing a path for you.

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I don't know where he got his statistics from.

That should tell you something.

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What if it is the girl feeling cockpecked by the male?

That's the funniest thing I've read all day. I was beginning to think that this long read had all been a huge waste of time...

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04 Apr 2011, 1:01 pm

Molecular_Biologist wrote:

RICKY5 wrote:

Bethie wrote:

The mass-psychological and societal implications involved if many men choose to place short-term satisfaction and amusement over cultivating romantic relationships and families is quite disturbing.

What implications do you see?

I simply see men sparing themselves a lot of trouble for what amounts to very little reward.

The ultimate result is the wholesale replacement of western civilization with an Islamic patriarchy.

The reproductive statistics objectively show that western women are for the most part, defective.

In what way is not wanting to have more than one or two children defective? The world is well on it's way to being over populated (if not already there).

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04 Apr 2011, 1:19 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

A man having hobbies outside of his relationship doesn't mean he is taking advantage of his wife/girlfriend, it just shows if she is objecting to him liking video games or fishing (or whatever his interest maybe) that her attitude is wrong thinking everything about his life should be based around her.

The article itself should be taken with a massive bag of salt as it's author doesn't have the stats to support his argument. It doesn't mean however that there isn't any truth in what he (the author) has written.

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04 Apr 2011, 1:24 pm

AND SOON ALL THE MEN WILL BE MAKING LOVE TO THEIR XBOX AND WILL NEVER SEE A GIRL AGAIN!

Yeah that sounds ridiculous. Some guys just don't feel the urge to date. Big whoop. That just makes the search for a man easier for women as the ones who aren't interested will be holed up in their room trying to save a pixelated princess from a castle.

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04 Apr 2011, 1:30 pm

Erisad wrote:

AND SOON ALL THE MEN WILL BE MAKING LOVE TO THEIR XBOX AND WILL NEVER SEE A GIRL AGAIN!

herp durp

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Yeah that sounds ridiculous. Some guys just don't feel the urge to date. Big whoop. That just makes the search for a man easier for women as the ones who aren't interested will be holed up in their room trying to save a pixelated princess from a castle.

Assuming that because the urge exists that it can't be repressed is just silly. The last statement is true enough but I doubt it has any importance except to people who do date.

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04 Apr 2011, 1:35 pm

ikorack wrote:

Erisad wrote:

AND SOON ALL THE MEN WILL BE MAKING LOVE TO THEIR XBOX AND WILL NEVER SEE A GIRL AGAIN!

herp durp

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Assuming that because the urge exists that it can't be repressed is just silly. The last statement is true enough but I doubt it has any importance except to people who do date.

Of course it would be important to those who date because those who don't want to date won't even benefit from this article anyway. They'd be like, "LOL PIXEL TITTIES FTW!!!111!! !"

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04 Apr 2011, 1:35 pm

ikorack wrote:

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

I say this study is inherently flawed.

Which study and how?

I went backwards through the links and found this:

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/23352/7 ... irlfriends

It is apparently a poll done by the Playstation3 website of 1130 British men. It isn't really all that shocking.

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