applying pickup skills in real life - an example

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RainingRoses, Moog, hyperlexian, TheygoMew and everyone else critical:

you guys have posted a lot of negative comments about my ideas. its safe to assume you disagree with what i'm talking about, right?

therefore will you right now promise publicly that you will never use this material if it becomes mainstream autism / aspergers training and taught by the professional autism community? i think thats only fair, right?

draw a line in the sand now and publicly commit to never using these techniques no matter if a guy like tony attwood is teaching them. no ambiguity or changing things around or "oh, but he didn't say it like THAT". ok?

or if you won't make that commitment, please leave me alone and stay out of my threads.

IF TONY ATTWOOD TAUGHT WAYS OF "IMPROVING" YOUR SOCIAL SKILLS BY WHAT I CONSIDERED TO BE DEMEANING/TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OTHERS I´D NEVER USE THEM.(used capital letters in case my point wasnt clear enough)

Theres already some material out there thats helping a lot of people and is based on social stories and stepping outside your comfort zone by baby steps which isnt a threat to others but I guess that some people preffer the easy path no matter what it implies to others.

That depends upon what you mean when you say, "[I] disagree with what [you're] talking about." I don't disagree that you've hit on a kind of immature and petty yet fairly effective way to manipulate people into seeing and doing things your way. But, if by "disagree" you mean that I disagree that it's somehow an upstanding and decent way to treat people, then yes ... speaking for myself, it is absolutely safe to assume that I disagree.


Sure, I will right now promise publicly never to use this material -- whether or not it becomes "mainstream autism / Asperger's training...." Perfectly fair. That said, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you(!)


OK, the line in the sand is now drawn. (What does that even mean?) Your patented techniques are safe with you and Sir Tony and Stanley Milgram and everyone else who thinks it's cute to manipulate people into obedience. Not for me, my friend. I'll continue to treat people in an upstanding and straightforward and dignified way -- come what may!

Now that we've got that straightened out, tell me something if you would: was this little exercise rooted in one of these "techniques"? If so, maybe you could explain how? I mean, you got me to answer a number of questions and make a bunch of commitments, right? If you used your special powers on me, I'd be beyond interested in telling you how someone on this side of the equation feels about it. Deal?

this is a great start.

except you built yourself in some wiggle room by saying "what you consider to be demeaning/taking advantage of others". thats just saying if tony presents it better than i did, then its fine. right?

but of course he'll present it better! thats not hte point. the point is NOT USING THE MATERIAL, PERIOD.

i'm going to release all this info as a complete set. it will be crystal clear where it came from. and here is where i started discussing it publicly and i will include this when i publish.

if you're serious about disagreeing you need to commit to never using it no matter how its presented. fair enough?

Last edited by guywithAS on 04 Jun 2011, 4:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

perfect, thank you!

anyone else?

Eh? You sound upset. Maybe you should take a break, and maybe not post threads where people are likely to post opinions contrary to your own. Sorry, that's the way things go, people don't always agree with us.

Isn't there already communities of PUA guys out there that would give you the positive encouragement to go ahead with this stuff? I would save it for them.

You're asking me to promise you not to do something I don't want to do. That's kind of strange. Is this some kind of PUA trick to convince me that this stuff has more value than it does?

No. It means that I´ll look into what he says with skepticism(same way I approached PUA a couple of years ago) and if it sounds reasonable/isnt based on taking advantage of others naivety I may consider using it.

If tony attwood released something that to my eye was based on taking advantage of others I would criticize what he released.(is that clear enough? )

Ok now sunshine. You use PUA with is basicly an unethical version of what I trained in Neuro-linguistic programming, If you have read and/or trained in NLP then one of the first things you would of come across are the presuppositions of NLP. so I will bake assumption hear that that you do know the presuppostions then you will understand the following:

• The meaning of your communication is the response that you get.
• There is no such thing as failure, only feedback.
• Having a choice is better than not having a choice.
• All actions have a purpose.

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I could go on, do you understand this phrase If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten.

Now do you have a choice: you can stop talking about PUA or you can find another forum that is friendly to PUA.
That choice is for you and you alone to make, do you understand. If you dislike the feedback your getting then change your behaviour!!

No, not perfect. I addressed your concerns. It would be only fair for you to address mine.

God help us if it does, because I will never date another aspie man again if this happens. Which is a shame because I think aspie males make the best kind of boyfriend for me personally.

sorry, you're right.



no technique here. i just today discovered a major piece which connects some big dots between autism and game. i'll be most likely releasing it all into the public domain for the world to use freely. i'm just a guy who was diagnosed with aspergers, studied a ton of autism material and met with some of the best autism therapists but got no value. because i'd already spent a ton of time studying game. and it started to dawn on me that the game community is actually TREATING aspergers. they just don't know it yet.

this stuff isn't *a* solution, it is *the* solution. as in *only* solution. and i want those who are constantly dogging me to either shut up or commit to never using it. and you have my respect in that. the others have shown themselves to not have integrity and just follow whatever is marketing friendly.

this stuff is raw and unfiltered. i'm trying to figure out HOW to make it autism friendly so everyone stuck with this b***h of a condition can lead happy lives they deserve. in a day or two i will post my paper for feedback.

Last edited by guywithAS on 04 Jun 2011, 4:59 pm, edited 2 times in total.

If you dont know about PUAs the best way to start is read some of the delightful blogs of the people who started it, just to get the gist of their mindset. Dont forget to read the comments of the "followers" too.

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/ ... ger-women/

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/piss-bomb/

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/ ... he-week-3/

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/ ... stay-thin/

guywithAS BTW I did see the comment you edited out about NLP what are you trying to hid?

This sounds more like my cup of tea.

guywithAS has outlined his problems with AS, he's outlined what he sees as a solution, most everyone else has outlined their objections, thats all fair enough, but there's a missing piece here, what would you all suggest he do instead?

well, i had thought this thread was a sales pitch, but now i'm back to thinking the OP is trying to establish a cultish movement. i'm sure this bid for domination will go as a well as it does for that little rodent protagonist Brain... p.s. i don't make silly agreements on teh interwebz. the OP may want to keep in mind that he ultimately has no control over this thread, my behaviour, or even his future customers (or lack thereof).