Friends zone and not understanding women

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Get a good GFE provider and you will never look back. All the sweetness of a "real" relationship and none of the BS.

I think it's because people who have issues are better able to relate, understand & accept others issues than people who don't. Plus some things can compliment each other. That's partly why I'd rather find someone with issues. I'd have more to offer em than someone who doesn't because I can provide emotional support & things.

Lol...by GFE are you talking about 'Girlfriend Experience'?
In other words a special form of prostitution?

If so that might be good if you just want some Sex.But at least for me having a 'girlfriend' means having a lot more than a single nights hot romp in the sheets.



Agreed....That's one thing I guess attracted me to my short time ex..her emotional problems.
Unfortunately she was BAD Bi polar so we ended up being a bad match in the end due to her extreme emotional swings and my lack of emotion and being able to read her at the time.I've gotten a lot better at social skills in the last 2ys.But all the same next time I think I'll try to seek out either a sane non dramatic NT, or a Aspie girl :p

Nearly all my life I've been a good friend. Such a good friend that girls wouldn't want to wreck that. For so long I thought I was so f**** up that I thought it would be selfish to bring a girl down to my level. I couldn't fix myself and become normal. Eventually I tried to off myself, and six months after that I got the Aspie diagnosis. Now I don't feel so terrible about myself, as I'm not to 'blame' for being so different.

All this goes to show that I have struggled with the ladies beyond being good friends. I have never been out with one girl more than six times, and never had a real girlfriend. I've only kissed a girl (sober) once, and that was last week, at 25. I've never had (sober) sex or anything more.

I used to go to my friends who were girls, and ask for step by step guidelines on how to make things work with girls. They implied that such a nice guy like me would know it when I saw it, would need to play it by ear, etc. I did that, and it never worked.

I found out years later with a few girls that if I had made a move or tried to 'get some' they would have happily provided. One in particular asked what was wrong with me years earlier. I didn't say this, but thought 'You never explicitly told me what I could or couldn't do.' I used to think the ideas of men taking the lead, making moves, etc, was a way that the church and men keep women down, and the liberated woman tells the man what's ok.

After all, guys have a button pretty much. We're always ready to go, we just need to know what is off limits, we'll take care of the rest.

Can anyone relate? Is there a rule book somewhere, or an online translator to know what girls mean when they don't explicitly say it?

Why is it always that guys are expected to make the first move? Maybe some NT guys get and like that, and know how it works. How do I make romantic intentions clear, aside from continuing to ask them out, or say, 'I like you'? I do regularly ask if moves are ok. Most girls don't think I'm being serious and end up laughing a good bit. Either that, or they think I'm serious and are uncomfortable or laughing at me.

I was talking to a girl who happens to be a friend yesterday, not girlfriend. She just broke up with her boyfriend. I told her how I don't do spontaneous romance, how I always ask in advance, and get confirmation that whatever move I make is ok. She didn't get that. I then told her I could push her against the wall and show her passion like she's never seen. The kicker is, it'll either turn into a love fest, or I'll be on the 5:00 news for assault. If I have to pick between those options, the possibility of assault trumps a love fest, so I'll ask first.

Does that make sense?

What do "romantic intentions" have to do with lust?
Not saying they're exclusive- quite the opposite, sometimes- but neither is the former reducible to the latter, or even implicating of it.

Huh????? Um, maybe I didn't make it clear enough. I don't have any friendships to destroy through a relationship. If I get hit on it is always by someone who has never met me before.

Well, I wouldn't have even been aware that I was her friend in that case. As far as I know (and I should know) I have never had a female friend.

"Jenny, I'm not a smart man, but I do know what love is." -Forrest Gump

I really have no idea what you just said. There's a lot of big words I don't understand, and then you jump from former to latter a few times, and then throw in opposite, so I had a lot of trouble following your point.
I gathered that you don't understand what romantic intentions have to do with lust. I'm not sure where either of those came from. I was just trying to make a point about how tough it is to make the first move, when I never know what first move is appropriate.

But the idea of me dying alone as an old man never having a wife/children and my entire romantic life having consisted of one night visits to hookers is just plain sad