Is not having friends a turn off?

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06 Apr 2012, 2:54 am

wait wait wait.....hold on....what you got against vegetables :shameonyou:

Anyway, I would agree with you shoot according to some people I myself am an introvert and I like making friends, but I also know that there are people who go out of their way to live by themselves isolated from society and are perfectly happy and strangely enough healthy. There are even couples who do this and are happy just being alone with each other.

So lets say that without a doubt its impossible to be physically healthy without having friends. Do you think its possible for someone to be content in their isolation and thus be mentally healthy(not depressed and not under any negative stress) without having friends?


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06 Apr 2012, 2:58 am

^^^ i don't know, to be honest. apparently how isolated a person FEELS is definitely a factor, so if they feel fine with no friends the impact is less (though it still exists).

BUT... so many people on WP are desperately looking for a romantic partner because they think it will fulfil something in their life. these people are definitely not happy being alone. if they end up 65 years old with no mate, and family possibly all moved on and/or deceased, then where will that leave them?


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06 Apr 2012, 3:18 am

I like to disguise my vegetables in gravies and sauces then blitz them in the processor, and I make a huge jug of soup every week to eat for lunch. The best way to consume vegetables, as it retains more nutrients than any other method. I'M JUST SAYING.



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06 Apr 2012, 3:24 am

ZX_SpectrumDisorder wrote:
I like to disguise my vegetables in gravies and sauces then blitz them in the processor, and I make a huge jug of soup every week to eat for lunch. The best way to consume vegetables, as it retains more nutrients than any other method. I'M JUST SAYING.

i am pleased that i am losing tastebuds as i get older, because i can stomach a wider variety of veggies. they are mostly evil. i like your idea.


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06 Apr 2012, 3:35 am

Roast peppers and garlic in the oven and add to sweated celery, carrots, tomatoes, tomato paste and onion.
Add stock, sieved tomatoes, bay leaf, sugar and sea salt. Simmer for 30 mins, remove bay leaf and blitz in a food processor. Delicious AND NUTRTIOUS. You wouldn't even know it was loaded with veggies.
As for stuff like cabbage, sprouts and swedes, they can GTFO.



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06 Apr 2012, 3:35 am

hyperlexian wrote:
^^^ i don't know, to be honest. apparently how isolated a person FEELS is definitely a factor, so if they feel fine with no friends the impact is less (though it still exists).

BUT... so many people on WP are desperately looking for a romantic partner because they think it will fulfil something in their life. these people are definitely not happy being alone. if they end up 65 years old with no mate, and family possibly all moved on and/or deceased, then where will that leave them?

It leaves them depressed and lonely in most cases.
My uncle is 63 and he has aspergers. He is pretty much in that exact positions and It has been something I've thought about for years. Looking for a romantic partner to fulfil something in your life is not healthy in anyway and it is a dangerous trap alot of people(including myself) have been on the edge of falling into.

I think that life is hard road to walk with no friends around with you, especially if you want to live a happy life. But I don't think its impossible. If there are people who are more comfortable walking alone and can still find happiness than good for them. But its not as easy and it is definitely not ideal, because you will miss alot of things because of your isolation.

If you look at people who are content and happy in isolation, you will see people who look like they've lived hard lives, because they had to learn how to compensate from the lack of friends in their lives.


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06 Apr 2012, 3:42 am

Is an early diagnosis a curse?



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06 Apr 2012, 4:04 am

ZX_SpectrumDisorder wrote:
Is an early diagnosis a curse?

for aspergers/autism?

NO....unless of course you get chased out of town by a mob with torches and pitchforks

and that only happened to me like once but it was unrelated to aspergers :roll:


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06 Apr 2012, 4:08 am

Zinnel wrote:
ZX_SpectrumDisorder wrote:
Is an early diagnosis a curse?

for aspergers


Yeah. I'm beginning to think it is, in a way.



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06 Apr 2012, 3:01 pm

I am depressed and stuff but it's not because a lack of friends (although that doesn't help).

They can be a variety of issues that makes someone who is introverted depressed which can include not being mentally strong enough if someone does a sick joke onto them or someone being very harsh on them when there is no reason to be.


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06 Apr 2012, 3:16 pm

You need to remove those people from your life.



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06 Apr 2012, 3:17 pm

ZX_SpectrumDisorder wrote:
You need to remove those people from your life.


I already have, but the effect is lasting.


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06 Apr 2012, 5:51 pm

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having no friends could weaken the immune system, actually. it has been demonstrated in studies and i do not think introverts would be excluded from that fact (considering the other evidence).


( I stopped at this part, so sorry if someone has said it. )

I don't know if anyone has said this yet. But friends & immune systems have nothing to do with each other. If this is to do with research of how a civilisation can be destroyed by a outside civilisation invading it & brining along it's virus. That can happen to anyone.

Keeping your environment squeaky clean would more likely damage your immune system. They is tones of variables that effect someones immune system. Even people with many friends, can have a weak immune system. I have only been sick when my mother sprays me with her cold she caught at work. When I get it it normally lasts only a day & I hardly know I have it. No runny nose, just a bit off. Because I don't use any Medications.

This is just bad research & I have not even read it.

2nd, most research done on introverts is biased. All you got to do is look at 1920 when Sigmund Freud clashed with Carl Jung & Alfred Adler. Of what a extrovert does when he can't handle 2 introverts teaming up on him.

I also bet the control group was so small that it was void of any real data. Once you blow that control group up to more, the pattern changes, less data you have the less accurate it is.

3rd Just like someone can go without children they hole life. A person can be without friends, except for the partner that is a friend & companion. They is no reason why the person who needs friends, does not already have a circle of friends & I would not stop them interacting. I also probably will go out with a meal with them.

Anyone can get lonely does not equal unhealthy, until you try & fill that void & find so much biased against who you are as a person. That's the unhealthy part, like throughout all time females of all people should know what that feels like, with the image that was forced onto them for century’s.

I still find it funny, how people are so shocked about the knowledge I have with no friends, no gf. It's because I don't have someone telling me to not be daft, or don't be silly, or shutting me down from thinking deeply. That just strikes fear in most people, to face reality head on, open your eyes & see the world for what it really is. Too many turn a blind eye, too many are not in power that open they eyes, that see the problems & know it needs changing.

But like always you just want distractions from life, that to me in the end is unhealthy, you don't deal with problems & you don't negotiate for a middle ground. As an outsider sitting on the fence, been able to see, what other people can't or are unwilling to face.

Might be seen as unhealthy. But in the end someone has to, just the problem is our society is too caught up in these stupid stereotypical views. Our technology has slowed down & our community’s are falling apart. Including our infrastructure.

They can't cope with it, they having to drink alcohol & take legal highs & drugs just to keep going. Both sides were never designed to work like this.

Views of people are culture bound. So the question is, when you look at a biker that looks like he will rip your head off. Do you take the stereotypical view or do you see that he is not really what you think he is.

SUMMARY:- So even when I have not read it, I can presume it was badly done research like always with introverted research, that’s why they is so many misconceptions. Come on as a female think about all the words that have been attached to you. You were once seen as a mental illness until it was linked to your PMS.


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06 Apr 2012, 6:10 pm

Its bad form to comment on a study and not even bother to read it.
By doing so you give your own opinions about the topic a bias.

I read the study and it was well done and their research shows a connection between social circles and the immune system. However, the study does fall apart by suggesting that introverts have weaker immune system because of a lack of friends when it could be a number of things. Lack of outdoor activities, lack of sleep, poor diet, stressful life, etc...


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06 Apr 2012, 6:57 pm

This is a fascinating discussion. I'm glad I found it.



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06 Apr 2012, 10:15 pm

TechnoDog wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
having no friends could weaken the immune system, actually. it has been demonstrated in studies and i do not think introverts would be excluded from that fact (considering the other evidence).


( I stopped at this part, so sorry if someone has said it. )

I don't know if anyone has said this yet. But friends & immune systems have nothing to do with each other. If this is to do with research of how a civilisation can be destroyed by a outside civilisation invading it & brining along it's virus. That can happen to anyone.

Keeping your environment squeaky clean would more likely damage your immune system. They is tones of variables that effect someones immune system. Even people with many friends, can have a weak immune system. I have only been sick when my mother sprays me with her cold she caught at work. When I get it it normally lasts only a day & I hardly know I have it. No runny nose, just a bit off. Because I don't use any Medications.

This is just bad research & I have not even read it.

2nd, most research done on introverts is biased. All you got to do is look at 1920 when Sigmund Freud clashed with Carl Jung & Alfred Adler. Of what a extrovert does when he can't handle 2 introverts teaming up on him.

I also bet the control group was so small that it was void of any real data. Once you blow that control group up to more, the pattern changes, less data you have the less accurate it is.

3rd Just like someone can go without children they hole life. A person can be without friends, except for the partner that is a friend & companion. They is no reason why the person who needs friends, does not already have a circle of friends & I would not stop them interacting. I also probably will go out with a meal with them.

Anyone can get lonely does not equal unhealthy, until you try & fill that void & find so much biased against who you are as a person. That's the unhealthy part, like throughout all time females of all people should know what that feels like, with the image that was forced onto them for century’s.

I still find it funny, how people are so shocked about the knowledge I have with no friends, no gf. It's because I don't have someone telling me to not be daft, or don't be silly, or shutting me down from thinking deeply. That just strikes fear in most people, to face reality head on, open your eyes & see the world for what it really is. Too many turn a blind eye, too many are not in power that open they eyes, that see the problems & know it needs changing.

But like always you just want distractions from life, that to me in the end is unhealthy, you don't deal with problems & you don't negotiate for a middle ground. As an outsider sitting on the fence, been able to see, what other people can't or are unwilling to face.

Might be seen as unhealthy. But in the end someone has to, just the problem is our society is too caught up in these stupid stereotypical views. Our technology has slowed down & our community’s are falling apart. Including our infrastructure.

They can't cope with it, they having to drink alcohol & take legal highs & drugs just to keep going. Both sides were never designed to work like this.

Views of people are culture bound. So the question is, when you look at a biker that looks like he will rip your head off. Do you take the stereotypical view or do you see that he is not really what you think he is.

SUMMARY:- So even when I have not read it, I can presume it was badly done research like always with introverted research, that’s why they is so many misconceptions. Come on as a female think about all the words that have been attached to you. You were once seen as a mental illness until it was linked to your PMS.

that was only one study, and there are many more. having friends offers health benefits to people, including a healthier immune system.


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