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15 May 2012, 4:05 am

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Attraction is subjective and dependent on many factors, I agree, looks do help to the point of getting a foot in the door and they are part of the initial attraction. I don't think women stand there hurdled in a group to talk about what guy is the prettiest. Attractiveness mainly comes from presence, presentation, confidence, charisma and creating a good humour all around.


Not much.... no, sadly, it's like only 20 to 30% subjective, the rest is quite universal. Like when a group of girls talk about guys, they ALL see a guy x and y are attractive and they ALL see that some z and w guys aren't, (that if they even mention them, they usually don't mention them unless if they are brought up somehow in the convo).

They might only vary in some preferences, like one might prefer darker-looking, the other might prefer bolder guy, another might prefer a more gentle guy.... but as a whole, there's an obvious and undeniable high level of unanimity in those matters.

I can't understand when people say 'attraction/beauty is subjective" - it's not very true.

So lets get this straight:

According to your post above. You´ve never experienced something like being with a friend and you see a girl walking by, he tells you that she seems nice/good looking whatever and you arent attracted to her(or the other way around).

Theres no way attraction is universal boo.


It happens, if the girl walking by is a bimbo with fake pair, something that i personally find unattractive.

But in most cases, if I find a girl attractive, the next guy finds her attractive too.

Attraction is almost universal, at least in the same community, stop lying to yourselves people lol.

This what i notice: If a guy is very attractive to one girl, he's usually attractive to 90% of girls. Same for vice versa, at least in the same community/society/country.



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15 May 2012, 4:12 am

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i think that attractiveness (and charisma) is quite important for many women*** when it comes to one nighters. the converse is true for many men***. there is definitely an imbalance (for many reasons).

***some exceptions apply


The one and only mystery describes an alpha male as:
-Someone who has a great smile.
-Is very charismatic
-And a third thing Im missing but wasnt related to looks(I only skimmed through his book, sue me)

Not saying thats how things are, just saying that a few members have said he is an expert when it comes to women and his description of alpha male has nothing to do with looks.
Found it funny considering how obsessed some of his followers are with looks.


Considering the OP told me that if it wasnt for the act and clothes he would be a very attractive guyId say no. You also need to understand he is trying to sell his book to those not very good with women. It wont ell well if the 3 most impotant things were looks now would it :P



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15 May 2012, 4:14 am

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Attraction is subjective and dependent on many factors, I agree, looks do help to the point of getting a foot in the door and they are part of the initial attraction. I don't think women stand there hurdled in a group to talk about what guy is the prettiest. Attractiveness mainly comes from presence, presentation, confidence, charisma and creating a good humour all around.

Show real interest in the person instead of self obsessively ranting on, genuine interest instead of just talking to them for the sake of talking to them, in other words just talk to them and be interest in who you are. Don't make a girl feel obligated to love you after ten minutes of talking to her. Maybe it will lead to a date, maybe you'll get a good friend out of it, maybe you will get rejected but what have you lost? Absolutely nothing so really you've got nothing to lose and something to gain.

Here's a chat log of a girl I was talking to last night and we were just talking about interests.
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[14/05/2012 23:47:44] Ryan: Lol yep :) 70's musical ftw I think, even though I haven't seen many
[14/05/2012 23:48:16] Rosie: lol!
[14/05/2012 23:48:27] Rosie: i just love musicals fullstop! haha
[14/05/2012 23:51:13] Ryan: Lol haha =] well I guess I'll have to check one out sometime
[14/05/2012 23:52:31] Rosie: you should! lol
[14/05/2012 23:55:40] Rosie: but talking of which, i actually have a spare ticket for a play my drama teacher from back home is in, her company won a competition for a night in the west end... it's next monday night, so if you'd want to or are able to. offer is there. lol


as ive said, looks will open the door, you still need to walk in.


And as it pains me to say this, i agree with boo. All you have to do is reference to the clooney/pitt/laurie/depp/etc argument showing how such a wide ammount of people (not just women) find them attractive. It isnt a exact method but there is very good chance if one woman in a group likes you that more than one will if not most of them will.



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15 May 2012, 4:17 am

MXH wrote:
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Attraction is subjective and dependent on many factors, I agree, looks do help to the point of getting a foot in the door and they are part of the initial attraction. I don't think women stand there hurdled in a group to talk about what guy is the prettiest. Attractiveness mainly comes from presence, presentation, confidence, charisma and creating a good humour all around.

Show real interest in the person instead of self obsessively ranting on, genuine interest instead of just talking to them for the sake of talking to them, in other words just talk to them and be interest in who you are. Don't make a girl feel obligated to love you after ten minutes of talking to her. Maybe it will lead to a date, maybe you'll get a good friend out of it, maybe you will get rejected but what have you lost? Absolutely nothing so really you've got nothing to lose and something to gain.

Here's a chat log of a girl I was talking to last night and we were just talking about interests.
Quote:
[14/05/2012 23:47:44] Ryan: Lol yep :) 70's musical ftw I think, even though I haven't seen many
[14/05/2012 23:48:16] Rosie: lol!
[14/05/2012 23:48:27] Rosie: i just love musicals fullstop! haha
[14/05/2012 23:51:13] Ryan: Lol haha =] well I guess I'll have to check one out sometime
[14/05/2012 23:52:31] Rosie: you should! lol
[14/05/2012 23:55:40] Rosie: but talking of which, i actually have a spare ticket for a play my drama teacher from back home is in, her company won a competition for a night in the west end... it's next monday night, so if you'd want to or are able to. offer is there. lol


as ive said, looks will open the door, you still need to walk in.


And if the door isn't opened, it would very hard to break it and walk in, hence why it's very important to open it.



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15 May 2012, 7:49 am

MXH wrote:
spongy wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
i think that attractiveness (and charisma) is quite important for many women*** when it comes to one nighters. the converse is true for many men***. there is definitely an imbalance (for many reasons).

***some exceptions apply


The one and only mystery describes an alpha male as:
-Someone who has a great smile.
-Is very charismatic
-And a third thing Im missing but wasnt related to looks(I only skimmed through his book, sue me)

Not saying thats how things are, just saying that a few members have said he is an expert when it comes to women and his description of alpha male has nothing to do with looks.
Found it funny considering how obsessed some of his followers are with looks.


Considering the OP told me that if it wasnt for the act and clothes he would be a very attractive guyId say no. You also need to understand he is trying to sell his book to those not very good with women. It wont ell well if the 3 most impotant things were looks now would it :P

Im aware he is a mere salesman and Ive referred to his books as huge marketing successes because thats all they are to me.
However I still think that the double standard to which he is held by some people is funny(ie he is the most knowledgeable man when it comes to woemn but if he says something we dont agree on we just ignore him)



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15 May 2012, 8:19 am

spongy wrote:
MXH wrote:
spongy wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
i think that attractiveness (and charisma) is quite important for many women*** when it comes to one nighters. the converse is true for many men***. there is definitely an imbalance (for many reasons).

***some exceptions apply


The one and only mystery describes an alpha male as:
-Someone who has a great smile.
-Is very charismatic
-And a third thing Im missing but wasnt related to looks(I only skimmed through his book, sue me)

Not saying thats how things are, just saying that a few members have said he is an expert when it comes to women and his description of alpha male has nothing to do with looks.
Found it funny considering how obsessed some of his followers are with looks.


Considering the OP told me that if it wasnt for the act and clothes he would be a very attractive guyId say no. You also need to understand he is trying to sell his book to those not very good with women. It wont ell well if the 3 most impotant things were looks now would it :P

Im aware he is a mere salesman and Ive referred to his books as huge marketing successes because thats all they are to me.
However I still think that the double standard to which he is held by some people is funny(ie he is the most knowledgeable man when it comes to woemn but if he says something we dont agree on we just ignore him)


Thats not exactly a double standard. He (and his followers) are the ones who claim he knows women. Everyone else that isnt desperate enough to fall for the bs would know that everything he says is dumb and ignore him.



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15 May 2012, 8:21 am

MXH wrote:
spongy wrote:
MXH wrote:
spongy wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
i think that attractiveness (and charisma) is quite important for many women*** when it comes to one nighters. the converse is true for many men***. there is definitely an imbalance (for many reasons).

***some exceptions apply


The one and only mystery describes an alpha male as:
-Someone who has a great smile.
-Is very charismatic
-And a third thing Im missing but wasnt related to looks(I only skimmed through his book, sue me)

Not saying thats how things are, just saying that a few members have said he is an expert when it comes to women and his description of alpha male has nothing to do with looks.
Found it funny considering how obsessed some of his followers are with looks.


Considering the OP told me that if it wasnt for the act and clothes he would be a very attractive guyId say no. You also need to understand he is trying to sell his book to those not very good with women. It wont ell well if the 3 most impotant things were looks now would it :P

Im aware he is a mere salesman and Ive referred to his books as huge marketing successes because thats all they are to me.
However I still think that the double standard to which he is held by some people is funny(ie he is the most knowledgeable man when it comes to woemn but if he says something we dont agree on we just ignore him)


Thats not exactly a double standard. He (and his followers) are the ones who claim he knows women. Everyone else that isnt desperate enough to fall for the bs would know that everything he says is dumb and ignore him.

I was refering to some of his followers who have that double standard. You dont appear to be a follower of him and you are entitled to your own opinion on his work



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15 May 2012, 8:25 am

Hmm, i wonder what other book full of millions of followers who preach it yet ignore what they dont agree with inside it exists.
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15 May 2012, 8:38 am

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Hmm, i wonder what other book full of millions of followers who preach it yet ignore what they dont agree with inside it exists.
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Yeah that whole part about not judging others, practising tolerance to every person, what a bunch of baloney! :lol:



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15 May 2012, 9:06 am

Very good post, Lilya.

PUA is a scam. It's a community of losers who think they are above normal people.

The more you use PUA, the more your chances of getting laid or getting a date, approaches 0.

There's not more I can say.



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15 May 2012, 9:08 am

Wow this is a thread.



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15 May 2012, 10:20 am

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Very good post, Lilya.

PUA is a scam. It's a community of losers who think they are above normal people.

The more you use PUA, the more your chances of getting laid or getting a date, approaches 0.

There's not more I can say.



I am curious to know your own success rate tho



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15 May 2012, 2:09 pm

mod note: i removed a few posts from the thread. i understand your sentiments, but the posts were full of swears and x-rated. keep it more family friendly please. thank you.


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15 May 2012, 2:13 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
spongy wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Wolfheart wrote:
Attraction is subjective and dependent on many factors, I agree, looks do help to the point of getting a foot in the door and they are part of the initial attraction. I don't think women stand there hurdled in a group to talk about what guy is the prettiest. Attractiveness mainly comes from presence, presentation, confidence, charisma and creating a good humour all around.


Not much.... no, sadly, it's like only 20 to 30% subjective, the rest is quite universal. Like when a group of girls talk about guys, they ALL see a guy x and y are attractive and they ALL see that some z and w guys aren't, (that if they even mention them, they usually don't mention them unless if they are brought up somehow in the convo).

They might only vary in some preferences, like one might prefer darker-looking, the other might prefer bolder guy, another might prefer a more gentle guy.... but as a whole, there's an obvious and undeniable high level of unanimity in those matters.

I can't understand when people say 'attraction/beauty is subjective" - it's not very true.

So lets get this straight:

According to your post above. You´ve never experienced something like being with a friend and you see a girl walking by, he tells you that she seems nice/good looking whatever and you arent attracted to her(or the other way around).

Theres no way attraction is universal boo.


It happens, if the girl walking by is a bimbo with fake pair, something that i personally find unattractive.

But in most cases, if I find a girl attractive, the next guy finds her attractive too.

Attraction is almost universal, at least in the same community, stop lying to yourselves people lol.

This what i notice: If a guy is very attractive to one girl, he's usually attractive to 90% of girls. Same for vice versa, at least in the same community/society/country.

there are some men that many women like, but that doesn't make them universal. if you ever read People Magazine's list of the sexiest men, you'll see a wide range including (if i recall correctly) Rainn Wilson - not exactly a stereotype i think.


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15 May 2012, 2:17 pm

Golly gosh.



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15 May 2012, 3:58 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
spongy wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Wolfheart wrote:
Attraction is subjective and dependent on many factors, I agree, looks do help to the point of getting a foot in the door and they are part of the initial attraction. I don't think women stand there hurdled in a group to talk about what guy is the prettiest. Attractiveness mainly comes from presence, presentation, confidence, charisma and creating a good humour all around.


Not much.... no, sadly, it's like only 20 to 30% subjective, the rest is quite universal. Like when a group of girls talk about guys, they ALL see a guy x and y are attractive and they ALL see that some z and w guys aren't, (that if they even mention them, they usually don't mention them unless if they are brought up somehow in the convo).

They might only vary in some preferences, like one might prefer darker-looking, the other might prefer bolder guy, another might prefer a more gentle guy.... but as a whole, there's an obvious and undeniable high level of unanimity in those matters.

I can't understand when people say 'attraction/beauty is subjective" - it's not very true.

So lets get this straight:

According to your post above. You´ve never experienced something like being with a friend and you see a girl walking by, he tells you that she seems nice/good looking whatever and you arent attracted to her(or the other way around).

Theres no way attraction is universal boo.


It happens, if the girl walking by is a bimbo with fake pair, something that i personally find unattractive.

But in most cases, if I find a girl attractive, the next guy finds her attractive too.

Attraction is almost universal, at least in the same community, stop lying to yourselves people lol.

This what i notice: If a guy is very attractive to one girl, he's usually attractive to 90% of girls. Same for vice versa, at least in the same community/society/country.

there are some men that many women like, but that doesn't make them universal. if you ever read People Magazine's list of the sexiest men, you'll see a wide range including (if i recall correctly) Rainn Wilson - not exactly a stereotype i think.


Well, hyperlexian, i think you understand what I mean, we both live on the same planet after all.