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18 Sep 2012, 5:36 pm

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If you ever wondered why the divorce rate is 50%, this thread is it. For those of you who haven't dated much, know that this isn't worth it. Sure, you might pick up a few girls, you might even succeed in starting a relationship. However, no matter how bad you might want a relationship, you're going to regret it if you go along this route to find one.

I learned the hard way by dating an abusive, manipulative girl for way too long. Having no relationship is better than having an unhappy one. I guess I will say though that the relationship caused me to reflect on what kind of person I want in the future and why insisting your relationship partner live up to certain standards is important.

I'm done with girls that play games, they aren't worth my time. I know my self worth and if a girl wants to be with me she has to show that she has respect for herself or me, and if they are playing games that can't happen. Before that relationship I was like so many of you, never had a real girlfriend in my life and so desperate to find someone, thinking I could change them for the better if they had some rough edges. If you want to know what naivety is, there you go. Now I realize I'd rather be alone for the rest of my life than go through that again.


And did you find this woman? this girl you speak about in the last paragraph? No, you let your guard down, developed oneitis for a girl, thought she was special and became needy for her. So needy that she took advantage of it because she realized she could.

This thread actually gives a guy a shield against things like that because well if one gets annoying, you can disregard her and move on to the next.


Actually, quite the opposite. There were a bunch of red flags, but because I wanted ample time to assess things fairly I ignored them. She acted incredibly needy and things kind of snowballed into a situation that was difficult for me to get out of. I'm not sure I ever "fell" for her but my desire to be with someone and the fact that a girl took such an interest in me clouded my judgement. It was a result of a lack of self-worth and not much else.

My problem with this thread is that you advocate people conform and learn how to pass these tests, as opposed to teaching guys how to recognize the tests so they can avoid the girls(as you seem to be claiming). There's a much simpler way to accomplish that: fail the tests. These tests aren't worth passing because if you have to pass a test, the girl isn't worth dating, it's as simple as that. If you advocate passing these tests in order to increase your social circle fine, but that presents the problem that you're likely to fall into the situations explained here: http://www.wrongplanet.net/article332.html.



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18 Sep 2012, 5:37 pm

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Ive been reading all of your threads in the past month. I recall certain things like betting you could take someones pictures and show how your tactics work. Dont make me try and find it, you know you said it.


I did say it and if you recall, Irishturk edited his profile with my advice using his photos and has stated that his response rate has gone up.

nonono. That wasnt the bet. The bet was you take someones pics and make a ficticious profile, and YOU try and make many women want to date that person. Irishturk likely recieved more responses cause he messaged more people to show his profile out. Again, bettering odds.



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18 Sep 2012, 5:43 pm

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Ive been reading all of your threads in the past month. I recall certain things like betting you could take someones pictures and show how your tactics work. Dont make me try and find it, you know you said it.


I did say it and if you recall, Irishturk edited his profile with my advice using his photos and has stated that his response rate has gone up.

nonono. That wasnt the bet. The bet was you take someones pics and make a ficticious profile, and YOU try and make many women want to date that person. Irishturk likely recieved more responses cause he messaged more people to show his profile out. Again, bettering odds.


I would gladly do that if someone came forward for it.



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18 Sep 2012, 5:49 pm

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I would gladly do that if someone came forward for it.

doesnt it speak for itself that noone wants to let you use their images for this?



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18 Sep 2012, 11:30 pm

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I would gladly do that if someone came forward for it.

doesnt it speak for itself that noone wants to let you use their images for this?


Not really, i've had almost 100 unsolicited messages on dating websites in the past week.

I'd prefer it if guys figured things out for themselves though as if I did set them up with dates, they would need to carry their online persona of the internet.



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18 Sep 2012, 11:55 pm

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I would gladly do that if someone came forward for it.

doesnt it speak for itself that noone wants to let you use their images for this?


Not really, i've had almost 100 unsolicited messages on dating websites in the past week.

I'd prefer it if guys figured things out for themselves though as if I did set them up with dates, they would need to carry their online persona of the internet.


so you're saying that because you dont have to say a word to get girls to message you that means you have great conversational skills? Sounds like a perfect case of shooting fish in a barrel. Also, good attempt at trying to seem better than me and others. almost as subtle as the b in subtle. Sadly ive noticed all the times you do this.

quite the contrary, the whole point is to only use the pictures. Not the location, not the personality, nothing more than the pictures, and your perceived wit. its not hooking anyone up, its just a "show of power".

But in reality, its not something impossible to do. Again, numbers game. The fact youd go after a thousand girls in hopes to shut me up will just validate my claims more. Hell, im sure the person giving the pics and being genuine if they sent thousands of mails will get a hundred responses. You think too small scale, too in the now than then.

Think of dating like a videogame. Being ugly is like playing in survival mode. Chances are you will die a lot before winning. Being pretty is like playing in diapers mode, you know when the bad guys just stand there waiting to die without shooting. No skill involved.



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19 Sep 2012, 3:35 am

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I would gladly do that if someone came forward for it.

doesnt it speak for itself that noone wants to let you use their images for this?


Not really, i've had almost 100 unsolicited messages on dating websites in the past week.

I'd prefer it if guys figured things out for themselves though as if I did set them up with dates, they would need to carry their online persona of the internet.


so you're saying that because you dont have to say a word to get girls to message you that means you have great conversational skills? Sounds like a perfect case of shooting fish in a barrel. Also, good attempt at trying to seem better than me and others. almost as subtle as the b in subtle. Sadly ive noticed all the times you do this.

quite the contrary, the whole point is to only use the pictures. Not the location, not the personality, nothing more than the pictures, and your perceived wit. its not hooking anyone up, its just a "show of power".

But in reality, its not something impossible to do. Again, numbers game. The fact youd go after a thousand girls in hopes to shut me up will just validate my claims more. Hell, im sure the person giving the pics and being genuine if they sent thousands of mails will get a hundred responses. You think too small scale, too in the now than then.

Think of dating like a videogame. Being ugly is like playing in survival mode. Chances are you will die a lot before winning. Being pretty is like playing in diapers mode, you know when the bad guys just stand there waiting to die without shooting. No skill involved.


You have your point but there are things you can do such as buying Italian designer suits or improving your appearance through hours of working out if you have the patience, dedication and effort. You can't sit in your mothers basement in a rainbow shirt and expect to get a girlfriend like Megan Fox.



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19 Sep 2012, 3:50 am

I agree with Wolfheart in this regard: People - women and men alike - determine their affection towards another human being, no matter if they hold sexual interest in them or not, by how they look by a rather large margin. You could say that this is a bad thing because it does not consider your personality enough. But you could see it as an opportunity. It takes long time to change who you are. In comparrison, it does not need much effort to change how you look.
Not saying that I am "The womanizer", but having gone through some dramatic changes in how I look in the past one and a half years, the response has been by and large, positive, especially with women. Again, not saying I am swimming in a see of panties, but I do notice that more women turn their heads when I walk by, simply because I have visibly strong body. Without wanting to go into detail (or any kind of bragging, just trying to give my insight), I tend to get very wide shoulders and back from working out, and women just like that V-shaped torso on a guy.
I am getting of track, the short version is: Men like good looking women. Women like good looking men. These are the basic rules. You can like them, you can hate them, but if you want to be part of the game, you gotta play by them.



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19 Sep 2012, 7:35 am

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You have your point but there are things you can do such as buying Italian designer suits or improving your appearance through hours of working out if you have the patience, dedication and effort. You can't sit in your mothers basement in a rainbow shirt and expect to get a girlfriend like Megan Fox.


im pretty sure what you just said is part of my point. Minus the italian suits, cause thats just cheesy as hell. And heaven forbid someone that is happy with their body. that will make more confidence than some pumped douche at the gym. Then theres also the possibility that... you know what a picture is worth a thousand words
[img][800:872]http://i.imgur.com/mrKgM.gif[/img]

theres more to looks than working out. Considering most of the guys women lust for arent even that big, just lean.



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19 Sep 2012, 7:56 am

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You have your point but there are things you can do such as buying Italian designer suits or improving your appearance through hours of working out if you have the patience, dedication and effort. You can't sit in your mothers basement in a rainbow shirt and expect to get a girlfriend like Megan Fox.


im pretty sure what you just said is part of my point. Minus the italian suits, cause thats just cheesy as hell. And heaven forbid someone that is happy with their body. that will make more confidence than some pumped douche at the gym. Then theres also the possibility that... you know what a picture is worth a thousand words
[img][800:872]http://i.imgur.com/mrKgM.gif[/img]

theres more to looks than working out. Considering most of the guys women lust for arent even that big, just lean.


Having strength is better than not having it, what's your point? That were not socially made for society? Its better to try than to be a critic.



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19 Sep 2012, 8:10 am

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Having strength is better than not having it, what's your point? That were not socially made for society? Its better to try than to be a critic.


Ive had many points through this thread. From dont hide what you're saying and actually call it for what it is, and that you should always question the action and not to the result, to theres more than 1 way to skin a cat.

Theres much easier ways to be a PUA than what you describe. For those id recommend a dedicated pua forum like
http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/

you get to behold all of the amount of nonsense being believed. Because as another point of mine was to show how pua works. It just adds mass numbers that make your odds of finding the girl you're looking to sleep with easier.



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19 Sep 2012, 8:34 am

Man, these are the EASY tests, Wolfie Boy. All you gotta do is nut up and these tests are cake. You should write up a thread on how to deal with the hot-and-cold games, and mind games, and all THAT crap!



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19 Sep 2012, 8:51 am

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Having strength is better than not having it, what's your point? That were not socially made for society? Its better to try than to be a critic.


Ive had many points through this thread. From dont hide what you're saying and actually call it for what it is, and that you should always question the action and not to the result, to theres more than 1 way to skin a cat.

Theres much easier ways to be a PUA than what you describe. For those id recommend a dedicated pua forum like
http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/

you get to behold all of the amount of nonsense being believed. Because as another point of mine was to show how pua works. It just adds mass numbers that make your odds of finding the girl you're looking to sleep with easier.


Just WOW, that forum has a lot of "analytical" stuff. If they only invested that big amount of time in doing more useful things than trying to get laid with a lot of hotties, World would be better. Our brains deserve better use.

Mediocrity is everywhere, this is only another example of how a lot of pathetic human beings love to manipulate to achieve profits as own pleasure or power.


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19 Sep 2012, 9:19 am

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Man, these are the EASY tests, Wolfie Boy. All you gotta do is nut up and these tests are cake. You should write up a thread on how to deal with the hot-and-cold games, and mind games, and all THAT crap!


Don't you mean reword an article and pass it off as a thread?



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19 Sep 2012, 9:19 am

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Having strength is better than not having it, what's your point? That were not socially made for society? Its better to try than to be a critic.


Ive had many points through this thread. From dont hide what you're saying and actually call it for what it is, and that you should always question the action and not to the result, to theres more than 1 way to skin a cat.

Theres much easier ways to be a PUA than what you describe. For those id recommend a dedicated pua forum like
http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/

you get to behold all of the amount of nonsense being believed. Because as another point of mine was to show how pua works. It just adds mass numbers that make your odds of finding the girl you're looking to sleep with easier.


All is fair and I would advise people to seek the most genuine and healthy option for them, if they come across a girl that is playing games, they should avoid her. That doesn't mean women won't use subtle tests even in a relationship, sure they can always do that. I'm not telling people to not be themselves, be yourself but having as many doors open as possible to form a relationship or don't, it is really up to people themselves. I'm not pressuring that anyone should or shouldn't be in relationship, it's entirely up to them.



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19 Sep 2012, 10:01 am

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Just WOW, that forum has a lot of "analytical" stuff. If they only invested that big amount of time in doing more useful things than trying to get laid with a lot of hotties, World would be better. Our brains deserve better use.

Mediocrity is everywhere, this is only another example of how a lot of pathetic human beings love to manipulate to achieve profits as own pleasure or power.


Its almost as bad as complaining about it, calling people pathetic and questioning their choices from a self entitled better than thou possition. Lighten up, live and let live, and if you dont like something then walk away. Spewing garbage on garbage isnt going to make a difference.

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All is fair and I would advise people to seek the most genuine and healthy option for them, if they come across a girl that is playing games, they should avoid her. That doesn't mean women won't use subtle tests even in a relationship, sure they can always do that. I'm not telling people to not be themselves, be yourself but having as many doors open as possible to form a relationship or don't, it is really up to people themselves. I'm not pressuring that anyone should or shouldn't be in relationship, it's entirely up to them.

Thats what im after, which is why I came here to show what it is you're actually saying. It gives people the information needed to make an informed choice.