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22 Mar 2013, 4:30 pm

rabbittss wrote:

I don't think the world has gone mad in so much as that the ease with which we can now control our reproductive processes has devalued sexual relations and removed components I feel are actually more important than the actual intercourse.

I think this is true. Sex has been devalued because it is no longer connected with reproduction and the resulting responsibilities. I don't think there is any going back from this though. But maybe it's not a bad thing. Some people will still find special relationships.

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23 Mar 2013, 7:57 am

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23 Mar 2013, 8:02 am

WTF?? :duh:

Oh, wait... it must be a play on "Am I a carrot"...

no sleep... no brain.... annoying woman in video... tired.

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23 Mar 2013, 8:17 am

Geekonychus wrote:

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I'm not fond of people who manipulate others and call it "fun".

I used to say the same thing but the truth of the matter is that is the true secret to social interaction.

Well then social interaction can f**k itself.

I know what you mean... it seems like the easiest way to fit in with a whole society of bullies (!) is to become a bully as well. I refuse to become the same kind of monster that makes my life so difficult.

I don't bully anyone. People use what they have to get by. If one person is wielding all the power and influence in any social relationship then it would be bullying but that isn't the case with anyone in my life. I'm not dominant over anyone however I'm not a pushover either. It's called equality. If you aren't willing or capable of pushing for that I do understand but not every assertive person is some kind of ammoral monster. You're just taking your bitterness and disguising it as morality. :wink:

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In a transaction sense, if you're having sex with a guy after one dinner, one movie ticket and one dessert you're selling yourself extremely cheaply.

You could just stand on the street corner make a better profit that that with one John.

That's quite offensive. A woman might as well be a cheap prostitute if she puts out on a second date? What century are you living in?

I didn't call anyone a cheap prostitute. I was trying to say that women should value their bodies a bit. My body is worth a fucktonne more than one date. I'd be pissed if a guy expected me to put out after a date, because he thinks my body sells that cheap (not to mention the hidden expectations of said date as well). Quite literally, a prostitute's body would be worth more than mine to him at that point in time (the cost of dinner vs what they charge per hour).

I don't see things in a transactional sense by default but my mind is able to see things that way because I do debit & credit $$$ transactions every day for a living.

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23 Mar 2013, 9:02 am

A woman could be having sex with her date because she's actually attracted to him and horny and likes sex, not because of the dinner or a lack of self-esteem. It's others who think of sex in terms of the transaction who make that assumption about her.

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23 Mar 2013, 9:07 am

Ann2011 wrote:

I think that insisting on a connection between sex and reproduction devalues sex. The message is that sex is a bad, dirty thing and only this supposed Higher Cause of having babies justifies it.

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23 Mar 2013, 9:24 am

mercifullyfree wrote:

Ann2011 wrote:

I think that insisting on a connection between sex and reproduction devalues sex. The message is that sex is a bad, dirty thing and only this supposed Higher Cause of having babies justifies it.

I'm not trying to suggest that sex is bad. I don't think it is. But it doesn't carry the weight that it once did.
The media culture that constantly sexualizes women from a young age has had an impact on this too.
Sex itself is good, it's what seems to go along with it that troubles me.

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23 Mar 2013, 9:27 am

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All the more reason for buying your own dinner... until the two people know each other better, it's nice being 100% certain there's no "transaction" factor going on. Unfortunately, some can't get past the "cheapskate!!" thought. :roll:

...then again... that might be a good filter for weeding out the shallow. :chin:

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23 Mar 2013, 9:55 am

Ann2011 wrote:

I'm not sure it's a good thing for sex to have such a huge weight to it, especially in attachment to reproduction. Societies that do this tend to restrict women a great deal and oppress gay people, often violently... and I don't think it necessarily made the sex more meaningful. Prostitution still thrived in all eras and people still became unsatisfied.

What we have now is choice and the idea that sex was better when weighted with more taboo and restriction might be imagined fantasies of the past rather than the reality.

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23 Mar 2013, 9:58 am

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...then again... that might be a good filter for weeding out the shallow. :chin:

It's kind of hypocritical, isn't it? If a woman refuses to pay and expects the man to buy everything, isn't she the one being a cheapskate?

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23 Mar 2013, 10:00 am

mercifullyfree wrote:

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...then again... that might be a good filter for weeding out the shallow. :chin:

It's kind of hypocritical, isn't it? If a woman refuses to pay and expects the man to buy everything, isn't she the one being a cheapskate?

I've given up on expecting logic and reason from most people. :lol:

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23 Mar 2013, 11:05 am

BlueMax wrote:

WTF??

Oh, wait... it must be a play on "Am I a carrot"...

no sleep... no brain.... annoying woman in video... tired.

She could be an undiagnosed aspie with the rocking and the stuffed animals.I thought her story was funny because the bunny trolled the tiger!

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23 Mar 2013, 11:07 am

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23 Mar 2013, 11:52 am

Really? 6 pages in and I'm the first to post this? Damn, it was the first thing I thought of when I saw the thread title.

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23 Mar 2013, 3:09 pm

Geekonychus wrote:

Fine, you win. Withholding sex or playing hard to get in order to exert some influence in a relationship makes me a bully and a monster.........

Uhh... witholding sex for the sole purpose of gaining power really sounds like just being a bully. I guess if there's an implicit agreement that both you and your partner are okay with that sort of behavior, then fine. But I can't imagine most people would like being pushed around like that. From my understanding, men normally hate it when women act that way.

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23 Mar 2013, 6:10 pm

mercifullyfree wrote:

Ann2011 wrote:

I think that insisting on a connection between sex and reproduction devalues sex. The message is that sex is a bad, dirty thing and only this supposed Higher Cause of having babies justifies it.

No, I never said that sex was bad or dirty. But the ONLY reason sex feels nice is that it gets people to do what nature wants them to do, reproduce.

In other words, Orgasms, are a carrot at the end of the stick.

Does this mean that 100% of sex has to be with the aim of reproducing? No. But please have the thought in your mind while you're doing it, that, holy s**t, if this piece of rubber breaks, I could wind up being a dad/mom.

It's a mark of maturity to understand that there are consequences to actions.

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