Women who find muscles attractive!

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I'm sure there are girls/women out there that like muscles.. But they just may not be the women you guys want. They probably live in the wrong time themselves.. do their hair too big.. wear to much make up.. and tan too much... and all they can talk about is fashion or gossip.


This whining about "Pretty boys" has been going on for as long as the "My kid's music is crap!, not like what we listened to in my day!" has been. You wanna get the real amusement, My grandfather said this sort of stuff about people like Steve Mcqueen and Paul Newman when they started getting more popular than John Wayne!

Oh he's got muscles all right - and the bubbleheads loved him for it and his "confidence".
Others of more... substance... were repulsed by his vulgarity, vanity/narcissism, aggression, etc.

He called us "bubbleheads"! Mysogynist!

I've started benching lately, and uh...it's still my least favorite exercise. As far as sports, I think pushup variants are a bit better. I've been doing plyo pushups onto blocks, great fun. That and I just like overhead pressing. As far as who's using leg drive, well, it depends, it's more that judging got less and less strict as time went on. In the original military press, your legs had to be together. Doing that, almost no leg drive is really all too possible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7erVblY7aiU That was Alexiev's press which was almost a push press, and there was Serge Redding, same comp, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJrYPVJ88M lot less cheating there. The problem was more just judging, not really the lift itself, imo. People just wanted more stuff passed. Also, the European judges wouldn't pass Americans sometimes, too, just due to politics, but they'd pass lying bench presses and push presses by Euros. Regarding rules, there's differences even in bench press rules with federations. IPF until like a year ago wouldn't allow you to bench past your sternum (ie, bench off your belly,) and there's how much pause, grip, and don't even get started on bench shirts and wraps and whatever. And people arch like hell for bench presses, too. If you want you can cheat the hell out of a bench press.

Anyway, Weider unfortunately won the war with Bob Hoffman. This is all I'll say regarding bodybuilding.

Whatever gets your foot in the door.

Did anyone ever think that you don't have to confine yourself to some silly "intellectual" box and you can be, intelligent, muscular, and confident, at the same time? Will an intelligent person once he gets into shape become a big ape?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Langan
Benched 500lbs, has an IQ of like 195/210 depending on whatever. Very smart guy.



Socrates.

Perhaps, but I'd dare say the muscular intellectual would be in the tiny minority. Something in the bodybuilding just brings out the hyper-aggression in many... it's almost a requirement. (Or so it would seem from what I've experienced...)

I understand your points. I'm not really a bodybuilder beyond not wanting to be a 300lb fat person who can lift a ton of weight (would rather be a 180lb decent looking dude who can lift a pretty high amount of weight.) So beyond being like, not fat, I don't really get bodybuilding myself. It used to be bodybuilding and weightlifting for strength were more connected, in that at weightlifting competitions there'd be bodybuilding comps as well, and some people (especially the Americans) would step off the lifting platform onto the bodybuilding stage (John Grimek.) Bodybuilding even used to give athleticism points, you'd have to do a clean and jerk at the old shows. So it was more an all-around competition. Then they split, and weightlifting become weightlifting regardless of your physique, and bodybuilding became physique regardless of strength. The "old school" had a much healthier attitude about it all, imo. As I said with Bob Hoffman vs Joe Weider, that was their battle, and Weider won. Bob Hoffman was trying to make barbell sets, as he thought weightlifting would revolutionize sports and make everyone stronger. He wanted everyone to get stronger, Weider, on the other hand, he said something along the lines of "Look at John Grimek, for every 1 person who wants to be as strong as him, I'll show you 10 who wanna look like him." And Weider was right. And that's why bodybuilding is what it is today. Also, Bob Hoffman probably had Aspergers, too. He's reported to have gone on monologues, so badly and annoyingly, a person he was in a hotel room with turned off the lights and went to bed while he was still talking, and they woke up in the morning and he still was talking. But yes, lifting for strength vs bodybuilding is in some ways still a battle raging today.

As far as hyper-aggression. Maybe. For most people with Aspergers, we're usually too passive and lack assertiveness. So something that does bring out aggression is in some ways just what the doctor ordered, as it'd bring our aggressiveness to the normal "assertive" level, if that makes any sense.

As far as being smart, it depends. Like any activity, you're gonna have idiots that do it, and smart people that do it. Idiots can if they're lucky, excel by following smart people's advice, luck, or just have natural talent for it. Generally smart people have an easier time at it, that's the advantage of being smart. Being smart allows you to formulate more efficient ways to accomplish a task, and you can then share those methods with others if you wish and get the gratitude/acceptance of others. It's like, say, working on cars. That's a hobby that has some not so bright people that do it, and some incredibly bright people who do it (it's also another hobby of mine.) Some of the incredibly bright people who do it probably have almost equivalent knowledge to automotive engineers who went to college for it (and some ARE auto engineers, haha.) Same with physical activity, for every few idiots, there's someone with almost professional-like knowledge about it, or is a professional in a related field.

In the supposedly "hot" muscular men photos, on the bottom row, the only one who looks hot is the middle one. The one on the left isn't even muscular at all. The point is it's not JUST about muscles. The guys in the top row look higher-class and better educated while 2/3 of the guys on the bottom row look blue collar and poor. The tattoed guy on the bottom right looks like a freakin's steel worker. Who would want to date a steel worker? Seriously! Education and class are an evolutionary survival advantage in this economy. But the middle guy on the bottom row looks muscular and high class, which is ideal.

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Kurgan, Montgomery Clift portrayed some humble, shy, melancholic country men when he was young and those are his more recognizable portraits. He was the opposite of Marlon Brando and other "machos" of the period. Montgomery Clift was more "intellectual" than "physical".

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Intellectual and hyper aggression/physique are not mutually exclusive. Ever heard of Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Kublai Khan, Robert Mugabe, and Vladimir Putin (the bad ass dude who campaigns shirtless)?

Probably put Leonid Breznev (sp?) on that list too.

This is why people who are "nerds" or "smart" or have Aspergers are discouraged from becoming strong, and they're picked on. People realize if we become strong we could rule over them if we felt inclined to.

They're not mutually exclusive. Plenty of extroverted men who party all the time aren't masculine and plenty of shy, quiet guys have no issues regarding their own testosterone production. In any case, the fact that he did portray some melancholic men, doesn't alter the fact that he's generally far more masculine than what's rated as "most sexy" today.

Many muscle men are also intellectual. Sylvester Stallone is a Mensa member with an IQ of 140 and very interested in art. Dolph Lundgren holds a master's degree in chemistry. Generally, brain and brawns are correlated because of generations of selective breeding.

I like the direction this is going... I'd like to see some more WP examples of people who gained muscle but not ego.

Everyone has ego. Everyone has muscles. How much more you gain is up to you, and for what purpose you want it. I mean for me, since again, I'm not really a bodybuilder, I just always wanted athleticism. I tried really hard as a kid to be a good athlete and always failed. Now that I'm an adult, I'm smarter, and am in general more in control of my own destiny than as a kid. In my case, my aim "bodybuilding" is pretty much to be a "pretty boy." Straight out, I wanna look like an Abercrombie model, and not get huge and "swole" or whatever. Why? Because more girls prefer the former, and I myself never really wanted to be "huge" ever. But I've always admired strength and athleticism, though. So through that, you gain more muscles. So now I'm basically at the same weight as I started (180) but with more muscles and much more athleticism. As far as bodybuilding goes, if it makes you happy, I guess go for it. I guess when I was a kid watching Dragonball Z or Baki the Grappler or whatever (yep I base my entire life upon anime I saw as a child,) I was more impressed at feats of strength or athleticism and not really the physiques.

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The beginning of the Baki the Grappler opening sums it up. "If one is born as a male, at least once in his life, he'll dream of becoming the strongest man alive." Even that Olympic lifter Alexeev, he said as a kid he had like 2 tons of barbells he made himself out of tree limbs and whatnot, and he said they were still in his mother's yard.

People put themselves in little boxes, of "oh look, I'm a "nerd" and I can't do ____" and the same for the "jocks." I say just do whatever you want. Like for me, people think it's really weird that I lift and ice skate at the same time. I feel they compliment one another. Why not? It's fun, you know, it's almost trolling everyone just by your existence if you just do what you want like that.

I do bodybuilding but I am considered artistic at the same time, I design different things ranging from tattoo pieces to technical structural drawings. Bodybuilding has given me confidence and helped me in more ways socially than any piece of advice could. Anyone can do bodybuilding, I don't know why people keep assuming that bodybuilders are dull.

Me as a shy, skinny 130lb boy.


Me at 220lbs, 18 inch biceps.

inthe eyes of women and society youd be far better by just getting a new haircut and clothes than turning 220lb. usualy above 170lb of muscle people start thinking bad things about you