27 Apr 2013, 11:03 am
27 Apr 2013, 11:06 am
Tyri0n wrote:
theNTgirl wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
theNTgirl wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
IlovemyAspie wrote:
BlueMax wrote:
IlovemyAspie wrote:
When I read that part I was instantly turned off from trying to help. 
If that wasn't in there I would have felt differently.
If that wasn't in there I would have felt differently.
She mentioned speaking German so I presume she's in Germany or close to it...
It's offensive to us because we're not teetering on the edge of losing our countries to outside cultures. If your "kind" were being systematically eradicated, I can almost see the point in wanting to date within it - possibly in hopes of preserving a part of it.
...so maybe it's not quite as offensive as it seems. Maybe. Benefit of the doubt and all that...
I know people feel that way. The point I was making is that I didn't feel it was relevant. I know we all have our own belief systems and a right to those belief systems. It was just a little off-putting.
Is that why I'm always one of a handful of black people (not to mention wearing a dirndl) at Oktoberfest?
It is not about race but about culture. I am very linked to mine so , for me, it would not be easy to adapt to someone who is not from my culture. That is all really. There is no such thing as racism in this aspect
Funny you want to date an aspie, then. I don't know about others, but I kind of have a culture all my own. It shares multiple similarities and differences with cultures across the globe, including the one in which I grew up.
If you are so intolerant of other ethnicities, or "culture" or whatever you call it, how do you think you can be tolerant of other neurological configurations? The latter is a much bigger difference than the former.
okay NOW THIS IS ENOUGH! this is going out of hand!
WHO SAYS THIS IS ABOUT INTOLERANCE? IT IS A PREFERENCEEE!! !!
if some men or women happen to like brown or blonde hair coloured people it does not make them INTOLERANT TO THE REST of the world! I live in another culture ( as a child of immigrants) so for me it is important to safe that bit of my own as long as I can and I FEEL CLOSER TO SOMEONE WHO SHARES THIS. THAT does not MEAN I am intolerant or I disrefard others cultures and ways of living as I have plenty of friends from other cultures yet I STILL PREFER to have a husband who is from my culture ASPIE OR NOT. This does not mean I could not lead a happy life with a guy who is from another culture I would just not prefer to! WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT THIS TO UNDERSTAND? nobody is talking about intolerance or racism or whatever IT IS PREFERENCE based on personal values and beliefs now could you please be a bit more tolerant towards my values and my beliefs and stop this nonsense of accusations?! thanks!
I am curious why you would immigrate to a country if you didn't intend to assimilate into the local culture. I would never do this. Anyway, I do count cultural superiority as a type of intolerance. In my country, it's like the white people who passed the miscegenation laws. Those are my personal values and beliefs. Why aren't you respecting them?
There is INTEGRATION and then there is ASSIMILATION. I am sure even in your friends circle you will have people who chose to integrate but not assimilate. To ask someone to assimilate just because they moved somewhere would be like to ask you to strip off your identity just because you chose to work somewhere. I am very well integrated in the culture I live in, the reasons I live here are not necessarily because I chose to or wanted to but because me and my family had no other choice BUT to go away or face a genocide. Now , would you date someone I chose for you? because since any preference seems to equal intolerance towards other things I assume that you do not have any preferences or personal value system as to what is important to you ?
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27 Apr 2013, 11:14 am
27 Apr 2013, 11:44 am
Tyri0n wrote:
I am probably a little over the top, but I do tend to see this attitude with some hostility. It's because I don't feel like I fit into any culture, really. So I see this mentality as exclusionary and unpleasant. And it kind of is. This exclusionary attitude OFTEN boils into other areas, too, in my experience, such as hostility to anyone who is different, including individuals with disabilities. Definitely, in the U.S., lack of assimilation and racism combine to cause ethnic tensions that boil over into all sorts of other intolerance too.
Lack of assimilation is bad for any society, as Europe is finding out. I think if someone moves to another country, he or she should be prepared to adopt the local culture as much as possible. This is how I functioned when I lived abroad.
Lack of assimilation is bad for any society, as Europe is finding out. I think if someone moves to another country, he or she should be prepared to adopt the local culture as much as possible. This is how I functioned when I lived abroad.
Problems with inmigration in Europe are not coming from the lack of assimilation, but from the different moral values some cultures have.
In general, there's not problems with inmigrants from eastern Europe and balkans (except with Rumanian gypsies). You can find polish people, for example, all around Europe, and I never found anybody making any complain about them, I would even say the opposite (well, unless to complain how unfair is that it's so easy for them to learn foreign languages!
). Same applies, for example, to serbian, or croatian, or latvian, and so.
Inmigration problems in Europe are coming usually from other more southern cultures.
27 Apr 2013, 11:49 am
27 Apr 2013, 12:29 pm
Greb wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
I am probably a little over the top, but I do tend to see this attitude with some hostility. It's because I don't feel like I fit into any culture, really. So I see this mentality as exclusionary and unpleasant. And it kind of is. This exclusionary attitude OFTEN boils into other areas, too, in my experience, such as hostility to anyone who is different, including individuals with disabilities. Definitely, in the U.S., lack of assimilation and racism combine to cause ethnic tensions that boil over into all sorts of other intolerance too.
Lack of assimilation is bad for any society, as Europe is finding out. I think if someone moves to another country, he or she should be prepared to adopt the local culture as much as possible. This is how I functioned when I lived abroad.
Lack of assimilation is bad for any society, as Europe is finding out. I think if someone moves to another country, he or she should be prepared to adopt the local culture as much as possible. This is how I functioned when I lived abroad.
Problems with inmigration in Europe are not coming from the lack of assimilation, but from the different moral values some cultures have.
In general, there's not problems with inmigrants from eastern Europe and balkans (except with Rumanian gypsies). You can find polish people, for example, all around Europe, and I never found anybody making any complain about them, I would even say the opposite (well, unless to complain how unfair is that it's so easy for them to learn foreign languages!
). Same applies, for example, to serbian, or croatian, or latvian, and so.Inmigration problems in Europe are coming usually from other more southern cultures.
Let me say this :
I speak german better than most of the german people I know and I am probably more familiar with their history than most of my german friends. They even make fun of it. I went to top schools here and although I have gone to University in London I still came back to do my masters here as I missed my german " bread and beer and people and choooocolate!". When I meet someone german in a foreign country I greet them especially and I am always happy to encounter someoen who is german anywhere because, after all, I grew up here. This country gave me shelter, education and it gave me a life that is beautiful YET I am still from another country with a history of thousdands of years and a language that is considered as one of the eldest in the world. I am proud of that. I am proud of my upbringing which was after all, the way my parents were raised and my morals and beliefs are just the same as theirs. The way my household works, is the same as the way the household of my grandmother worked and I want my kids to do so the same. However, when I step outside of my house I live german, i obey the laws I have german friends who I love dearly and I am politically active in this country in order to help towards a better future. NOW THIS IS INTEGRATION
assimilation would be for me to forget where my parents are from, disregard my LANGUAGE, MY CULTURE, MY FAMILY DOWN IN THE SOUTH forget everything about it and consider myself german as if I was not allowed to be proud of what I am and who I am and cherish that. As one poster stated, especially in this forum people should know better than trying to force others to " assimilate" or change their behaviour, desires beliefs just because someone else might find it intolerant. If you don't care who you marry or date, that is fine with me. In the end, I still might end up marrying a german guy BUT this does not change the fact that I prefer and would have always preferred one of my ethnicity!! ! GET OVER IT!
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27 Apr 2013, 12:40 pm
theNTgirl wrote:
Greb wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
I am probably a little over the top, but I do tend to see this attitude with some hostility. It's because I don't feel like I fit into any culture, really. So I see this mentality as exclusionary and unpleasant. And it kind of is. This exclusionary attitude OFTEN boils into other areas, too, in my experience, such as hostility to anyone who is different, including individuals with disabilities. Definitely, in the U.S., lack of assimilation and racism combine to cause ethnic tensions that boil over into all sorts of other intolerance too.
Lack of assimilation is bad for any society, as Europe is finding out. I think if someone moves to another country, he or she should be prepared to adopt the local culture as much as possible. This is how I functioned when I lived abroad.
Lack of assimilation is bad for any society, as Europe is finding out. I think if someone moves to another country, he or she should be prepared to adopt the local culture as much as possible. This is how I functioned when I lived abroad.
Problems with inmigration in Europe are not coming from the lack of assimilation, but from the different moral values some cultures have.
In general, there's not problems with inmigrants from eastern Europe and balkans (except with Rumanian gypsies). You can find polish people, for example, all around Europe, and I never found anybody making any complain about them, I would even say the opposite (well, unless to complain how unfair is that it's so easy for them to learn foreign languages!
). Same applies, for example, to serbian, or croatian, or latvian, and so.Inmigration problems in Europe are coming usually from other more southern cultures.
Let me say this :
I speak german better than most of the german people I know and I am probably more familiar with their history than most of my german friends. They even make fun of it. I went to top schools here and although I have gone to University in London I still came back to do my masters here as I missed my german " bread and beer and people and choooocolate!". When I meet someone german in a foreign country I greet them especially and I am always happy to encounter someoen who is german anywhere because, after all, I grew up here. This country gave me shelter, education and it gave me a life that is beautiful YET I am still from another country with a history of thousdands of years and a language that is considered as one of the eldest in the world. I am proud of that. I am proud of my upbringing which was after all, the way my parents were raised and my morals and beliefs are just the same as theirs. The way my household works, is the same as the way the household of my grandmother worked and I want my kids to do so the same. However, when I step outside of my house I live german, i obey the laws I have german friends who I love dearly and I am politically active in this country in order to help towards a better future. NOW THIS IS INTEGRATION
assimilation would be for me to forget where my parents are from, disregard my LANGUAGE, MY CULTURE, MY FAMILY DOWN IN THE SOUTH forget everything about it and consider myself german as if I was not allowed to be proud of what I am and who I am and cherish that. As one poster stated, especially in this forum people should know better than trying to force others to " assimilate" or change their behaviour, desires beliefs just because someone else might find it intolerant. If you don't care who you marry or date, that is fine with me. In the end, I still might end up marrying a german guy BUT this does not change the fact that I prefer and would have always preferred one of my ethnicity!! ! GET OVER IT!
lol @ some NT's and their "group identity." I don't know why you thought you would get sympathy for hyper NT group identification advocated by some NT's (see, I didn't break the rules!) on an aspie forum. This is just another version of the exclusionary groups in high school, except at the adult level.
28 Apr 2013, 9:12 am
Tyri0n wrote:
theNTgirl wrote:
Greb wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
I am probably a little over the top, but I do tend to see this attitude with some hostility. It's because I don't feel like I fit into any culture, really. So I see this mentality as exclusionary and unpleasant. And it kind of is. This exclusionary attitude OFTEN boils into other areas, too, in my experience, such as hostility to anyone who is different, including individuals with disabilities. Definitely, in the U.S., lack of assimilation and racism combine to cause ethnic tensions that boil over into all sorts of other intolerance too.
Lack of assimilation is bad for any society, as Europe is finding out. I think if someone moves to another country, he or she should be prepared to adopt the local culture as much as possible. This is how I functioned when I lived abroad.
Lack of assimilation is bad for any society, as Europe is finding out. I think if someone moves to another country, he or she should be prepared to adopt the local culture as much as possible. This is how I functioned when I lived abroad.
Problems with inmigration in Europe are not coming from the lack of assimilation, but from the different moral values some cultures have.
In general, there's not problems with inmigrants from eastern Europe and balkans (except with Rumanian gypsies). You can find polish people, for example, all around Europe, and I never found anybody making any complain about them, I would even say the opposite (well, unless to complain how unfair is that it's so easy for them to learn foreign languages!
). Same applies, for example, to serbian, or croatian, or latvian, and so.Inmigration problems in Europe are coming usually from other more southern cultures.
Let me say this :
I speak german better than most of the german people I know and I am probably more familiar with their history than most of my german friends. They even make fun of it. I went to top schools here and although I have gone to University in London I still came back to do my masters here as I missed my german " bread and beer and people and choooocolate!". When I meet someone german in a foreign country I greet them especially and I am always happy to encounter someoen who is german anywhere because, after all, I grew up here. This country gave me shelter, education and it gave me a life that is beautiful YET I am still from another country with a history of thousdands of years and a language that is considered as one of the eldest in the world. I am proud of that. I am proud of my upbringing which was after all, the way my parents were raised and my morals and beliefs are just the same as theirs. The way my household works, is the same as the way the household of my grandmother worked and I want my kids to do so the same. However, when I step outside of my house I live german, i obey the laws I have german friends who I love dearly and I am politically active in this country in order to help towards a better future. NOW THIS IS INTEGRATION
assimilation would be for me to forget where my parents are from, disregard my LANGUAGE, MY CULTURE, MY FAMILY DOWN IN THE SOUTH forget everything about it and consider myself german as if I was not allowed to be proud of what I am and who I am and cherish that. As one poster stated, especially in this forum people should know better than trying to force others to " assimilate" or change their behaviour, desires beliefs just because someone else might find it intolerant. If you don't care who you marry or date, that is fine with me. In the end, I still might end up marrying a german guy BUT this does not change the fact that I prefer and would have always preferred one of my ethnicity!! ! GET OVER IT!
lol @ some NT's and their "group identity." I don't know why you thought you would get sympathy for hyper NT group identification advocated by some NT's (see, I didn't break the rules!) on an aspie forum. This is just another version of the exclusionary groups in high school, except at the adult level.
I am not looking for sympathy. As far as I can see it you sort of did not manage to find an argument against everything I stated so you picked on the only thing you could criticize this time , which is the NT-group identity thing. Seriously, this is pathetic and right now you are only here to continuously pick on to something and preach morals to others that you obviously seem to lack as you are completely incapable of tolerating other peoples choices and ideals. I stated my side of this, now the battle that you are fighting is obviously one with yourself
Have a nice day!
28 Apr 2013, 11:58 am
