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Leagues, bullcrap, I don't believe in them, it is why I wasn't afraid of approaching the popular kids and asking to hang out.

The social scene and dating scene are not identical in this respect.

No, my best friends from college, a good lot of them, were volunteer firefighters. They were taking E.M.T. and fire science classes. You should not judge people by how much ridiculous s**t they say online, some of it might actually be true. They had a big arse propane fire every semester they would put out as their final. So while I may not be a firefighter, I know about 15 of them as friends, whom all had girlfriends.

How are they not? The dating scene is part of the social scene, I don't follow you at all. I have learned women compliment me more if I hang out outside more often, and if I ride my bike exercise, and show social courage. It gets under their skin that a geek/nerd/aspie is hanging out with the popular crowd. Plus I was made famous by a comedian at the first day there when he made me dress a sex doll in under 2 minutes, but that seemed to help instead of do damage like I thought it would, which was also a plus. You guys have to show that social side, I did, and it helped me a lot.

Yes, but you have been on dates before, same with me. so I don't think you really understand people who never dated ever.
be honest, if never ever once in your life ever had a date, how would you feel?

Even I'v been with a woman before, and do enjoy talking to the ladies. But Im not going pretend and deny that
there are men and women who do struggle in dating to a point where they can't date.

and of course people who never dated, are going to be upset and bitter about it.
you would be too, if you never dated.

oh, I am not bitter at all. I had sex before, I had a girlfriend before ( 2 actually)
but I am not going to deny that I have some ''issues'' but
I like myself and I like the ladies, so Im good.

I didn't need to save someone from a burning building, nor will I, but I would if I had the chance. Besides, I never said I did, I was just explaining all the firefighters I knew were good with ladies because they worked at it, and saying so doesn't require me to be one myself.

Not that bad.

The world and the human social machine are not black and white. Being part of is not equal to being the same as.
Sharing similar qualities does not mean something is identical or so fundamentally alike you can apply the same solution to both.
I hope that helps you understand my position on this better.

I agree with what you're saying that we have to demonstrate our social prowess to improve our chances, but there are other things to factor in such as looks - which is what this thread is about.
Both sexes tend to aim for higher than their own worth, no doubt due to peer pressure and the evolutionary confines of our thought processes.
I quite like women with some extra weight. It does depend on other characteristics, though - their hygiene, self respect, personality.
Also, there are ugly thin and large people just as there are sexy thin and large people. Sometimes men aren't rejecting women because of their weight alone, it's also down to their beauty. But let me elaborate on this - they aren't the same thing.

It is up to each person to decide who they want to date and who they dont want to date.

Sadly this also applies to anyone you may approach and some people have trouble understanding others are entitled to be just as selective as you.

This applies to :
-Friendships
-Love




I havent been on a date for a very long period of time(I had some chances but I didnt pursue because she wasnt my type, I was busy or something), however I ve had some luck with the ladies lately(as far as declining to spend the night on a hostel with a foreigner that was attractive for my own reasons).

Did things change because I became a jerk?
Not really

What exactly changed?
I was attempting to be the nicest person ever:
1- I didnt
voice an opinion on most topics because it could offend someone and most people preffer to talk anyways
2- I had a decent allowance so I was the person to go to for: smokers that run out of money and needed some spare change to buy a cigar, beggars on the street...
3- I had a car and plenty of time so I was always offering to : drive people around, pick people up so that we could hang out...
4- I helped almost everyone out whenever I could.
What happened?:
1 - Most people thought it was weird that I barely talked. One day I was talking with some person I just met online and she said I sounded interesting and went on about how she liked males that had a knowledge on almost every field.
When I pointed her out that I doubted that, she procceded to ask me if I acted the same way on and offline and she had a point.
So I started getting more involved in conversations.
2 - Most of the people that approached me asking for money ended up feeling entitled to it, when the same person on the street asks you to give her some money because of some urgent need to take the underground and you paid for her underground ride weeks ago(not cheap on this city) you end up reconsidering your approach to this situations.
Still do this but to a lesser degree
3- "Friends" didnt really appreciate this and just took advantage of it...
Offer a ride if needed but I make sure I let people know that they cant just take this whole thing for granted...
4- I still do that.



Lets face it I had no personality and nobody likes to be around someone without any sort of personality

well, your still young. wait until you get to the 30's then you might feel different.

unless the person is very good looking, then the personality doesn't really matter then.

Bill, you've had a date, and even had sex, even a girlfriend, how do you know what it feels like not to EVER have had one?

He would've known what that felt like before he had a gf, sex and stuff right?
Just how old people know what it was like being young.

Straw maning, are we?

I never claimed to identify with the "Nice guys TM" (a barely existant internet stereotype SOME people here project onto every man who's had bad experiences with dating). I'm rejected for a relationship usually because I have few friends, because I'm introverted and because I'm still not finished with my education--not because I'm nice. Girls who don't know all this might very well go to bed with me, though; unlike what some girls would have you think when they dump all that stuff on how "all men want is sex" on you, girls like sex as much as boys do.

I never claimed I was entitled to one-night stands either, I said I deserved them, just like Bill Clinton deserved a blow job.

And what Hillary deserved?

Bill, you've had a date, and even had sex, even a girlfriend, how do you know what it feels like not to EVER have had one?[/quote]

I don't. but from what I read from people who never have dated. they don't seem to be very happy with it.
and the one's who are happy with being singles are usually the one's that have a FWB or still are having sex,
or had tons of sex before.

I happy with being single, even though at times, it would be nice having another girlfriend.
But at least I gotten laid before, if I never had sex or a girlfriend, I would probaly be bitter.
so, yes I guess that kinda of answer your question.