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31 Jul 2013, 12:04 am

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wait a min to the op. so 'hot' girl is equivalent to a successful or nice guy? that's not kosher. fyi, this is a disability forum. not everyone here is able to do stuff like makeup 'work out' or shave legs, on a sensory level. what if you're a successful girl who is an engineer, who is 'ugly' are you supposed to date an unemployed man regardless of appearance. i can see hot girl = hot guy. but otherwise i don't get it


Yes, in society an ugly girl is equivalent to a man who is a loser, not necessarily ugly but a loser because studies show that men primarily look at looks in women while women primarily look at social value in men. It's not me. It's society that chooses to objectify women primarily as sex objects, and women who gladly buy into it. Society values women for their looks and men for their performance. Sure, it's unfair to ugly women. But it's also unfair to disabled men.

What if the guy is unemployed or shy because he has a disability like Asperger's? It is a disability forum, and you're applying a double standard if you think a girl who can't put on makeup due to a disability should be given more slack than a guy who can't work or is shy due to a disability. I'm sorry that society is ableist. What are YOU doing to change it? Attacking unemployed men isn't helping the situation.

Yes, if you're an ugly girl, you probably are going to need to date a loser who may well be unemployed. That's who your league is. You can try finding a quality guy who has a higher social value than you, but most likely, he's just going to use you as a pump and dump. Pump and dump by in-demand men of inferior women is the moral equivalent to creep shaming of inferior men by in-demand women. I've pumped and dumped, and I'm sure you've creep shamed. It's probably because we both have trouble thinking for ourselves.

Life is not fair. I'm not trying to be sexist here. I am trying to be fair and balanced. An equal opportunity as*hole if you will.



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31 Jul 2013, 10:00 am

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Life is not fair. I'm not trying to be sexist here. I am trying to be fair and balanced. An equal opportunity as*hole if you will.

You should probably step back and realize how this comes across though. This website you're sighting is total PUA nonesense and sexist to both genders. I didn't start having real success in the dating realm intill I stopped getting hung up on patterns and trends. If you are emotionally available and not hypocritically shallow, the right girls should start coming out of the woodwork.........

A year ago I could barely talk to girls and now I have been having more success than I know how to handle. If you're even a fraction as awesome as I am, you should do alright but you need to drop this s**t and focus on you. There. Is. No. Formula.



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02 Aug 2013, 3:57 am

well, people get what they deserve and deserve what they get.

a girl can set all the standards she wants. nothing wrong with it. it's about whether she can get a man who meets her ridiculously high standards or not.



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02 Aug 2013, 6:45 am

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Tyri0n wrote:
Life is not fair. I'm not trying to be sexist here. I am trying to be fair and balanced. An equal opportunity as*hole if you will.

You should probably step back and realize how this comes across though. This website you're sighting is total PUA nonesense and sexist to both genders. I didn't start having real success in the dating realm intill I stopped getting hung up on patterns and trends. If you are emotionally available and not hypocritically shallow, the right girls should start coming out of the woodwork.........

A year ago I could barely talk to girls and now I have been having more success than I know how to handle. If you're even a fraction as awesome as I am, you should do alright but you need to drop this sh** and focus on you. There. Is. No. Formula.


I have dated before. Had girlfriends. The main reason I haven't in six months is terrible insomnia from a job and school that is way too early, not getting hung up on patterns; I grew out of most of my autism. But Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome is a b***h.

It is frustrating, however, that a guy has to be in perfect shape with everything going perfectly in order to date successfully while some women I know who are in and out of mental hospitals have boyfriends. Since the man has to do everything at first, dating is just not possible with insomnia like this and when there is anything bad going on in my life. Especially since some women are so emotionally needy; it's really frustrating to keep up with that, especially when they are terrible at sex and very gender rigid and entitled.

But I'm too mature to blame a whole gender. I blame society for putting extra pressure on me just because I was born a certain way.



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02 Aug 2013, 10:24 am

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Tyri0n wrote:
Life is not fair. I'm not trying to be sexist here. I am trying to be fair and balanced. An equal opportunity as*hole if you will.

You should probably step back and realize how this comes across though. This website you're sighting is total PUA nonesense and sexist to both genders. I didn't start having real success in the dating realm intill I stopped getting hung up on patterns and trends. If you are emotionally available and not hypocritically shallow, the right girls should start coming out of the woodwork.........

A year ago I could barely talk to girls and now I have been having more success than I know how to handle. If you're even a fraction as awesome as I am, you should do alright but you need to drop this sh** and focus on you. There. Is. No. Formula.


I have dated before. Had girlfriends. The main reason I haven't in six months is terrible insomnia from a job and school that is way too early, not getting hung up on patterns; I grew out of most of my autism. But Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome is a b***h.

It is frustrating, however, that a guy has to be in perfect shape with everything going perfectly in order to date successfully while some women I know who are in and out of mental hospitals have boyfriends. Since the man has to do everything at first, dating is just not possible with insomnia like this and when there is anything bad going on in my life. Especially since some women are so emotionally needy; it's really frustrating to keep up with that, especially when they are terrible at sex and very gender rigid and entitled.

But I'm too mature to blame a whole gender. I blame society for putting extra pressure on me just because I was born a certain way.


Dude........I'm overweight and super neurotic. If either of those things were true, I sure as hell wouldn't be having any success. You just need to be looking for the right women.

Stop giving a s**t about the type of person society says you should be and instead try to be your most genuine self. Accept that 99% of women will think you're weird, annoying or even creepy. If you are comfortable in your skin and not shallow or judgemental, the right women will respond enthusiastically to your odd quirks.

The only way it wouldn't work is if your genuine self is a bitter, shallow, misogonyst. This is the case for plenty of sad sacks on this board but not you. You can rise above that nonsense. I'm sure of it. :wink:



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02 Aug 2013, 10:32 am

I'd class myself as being average looking. I'm no beauty queen but then again I'm not a complete munter either. I look after myself and I keep myself in as good shape as I can but I have absolutely no luck in relationships. The thing that winds me up though is that I look around at all these people -men and women- who have let themselves go and they seem to have no shortage of relationships. They roll out of bed with one person and roll straight back into bed with another person.

It makes me ponder.


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02 Aug 2013, 3:51 pm

Geekonychus wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Life is not fair. I'm not trying to be sexist here. I am trying to be fair and balanced. An equal opportunity as*hole if you will.

You should probably step back and realize how this comes across though. This website you're sighting is total PUA nonesense and sexist to both genders. I didn't start having real success in the dating realm intill I stopped getting hung up on patterns and trends. If you are emotionally available and not hypocritically shallow, the right girls should start coming out of the woodwork.........

A year ago I could barely talk to girls and now I have been having more success than I know how to handle. If you're even a fraction as awesome as I am, you should do alright but you need to drop this sh** and focus on you. There. Is. No. Formula.


I have dated before. Had girlfriends. The main reason I haven't in six months is terrible insomnia from a job and school that is way too early, not getting hung up on patterns; I grew out of most of my autism. But Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome is a b***h.

It is frustrating, however, that a guy has to be in perfect shape with everything going perfectly in order to date successfully while some women I know who are in and out of mental hospitals have boyfriends. Since the man has to do everything at first, dating is just not possible with insomnia like this and when there is anything bad going on in my life. Especially since some women are so emotionally needy; it's really frustrating to keep up with that, especially when they are terrible at sex and very gender rigid and entitled.

But I'm too mature to blame a whole gender. I blame society for putting extra pressure on me just because I was born a certain way.


Dude........I'm overweight and super neurotic. If either of those things were true, I sure as hell wouldn't be having any success. You just need to be looking for the right women.

Stop giving a sh** about the type of person society says you should be and instead try to be your most genuine self. Accept that 99% of women will think you're weird, annoying or even creepy. If you are comfortable in your skin and not shallow or judgemental, the right women will respond enthusiastically to your odd quirks.

The only way it wouldn't work is if your genuine self is a bitter, shallow, misogonyst. This is the case for plenty of sad sacks on this board but not you. You can rise above that nonsense. I'm sure of it. :wink:


Trust me, chronic insomnia and dating don't mix. :P

I don't think 99% of women have a bad opinion of me. My issues are atypical for this board. I'm basically like an NT beta with insomnia that is an off and on barrier. A lot of women can be understanding of Asperger's. I haven't met a single one who is understanding of my insomnia and fatigue. Basically, after a few or more dates, all they see is my chronically bad attitude and lack of interests and hobbies. Yes, having a demanding job (any job during normal business hours) does this.

I still don't like entitlement. I dont feel entitled for women to put up with me.

My OP has nothing to do with my insomnia. Your ad hom isn't sticking. :)



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02 Aug 2013, 3:58 pm

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Stop giving a sh** about the type of person society says you should be and instead try to be your most genuine self. Accept that 99% of women will think you're weird, annoying or even creepy. If you are comfortable in your skin and not shallow or judgemental, the right women will respond enthusiastically to your odd quirks.

The only way it wouldn't work is if your genuine self is a bitter, shallow, misogonyst.

Tyri0n, I agree with the above. I think you need to get out there and get a sexual companion. You may find that you stop worrying about all this silliness.



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02 Aug 2013, 4:23 pm

And so the league themed topic begins... someone fill me in on all that has happened. Please don't tell me boo has dumped 2-3 more girls for no reason, and that all you have posted (trion), has been redundant "league" speak.


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Geekonychus wrote:
Stop giving a sh** about the type of person society says you should be and instead try to be your most genuine self. Accept that 99% of women will think you're weird, annoying or even creepy. If you are comfortable in your skin and not shallow or judgemental, the right women will respond enthusiastically to your odd quirks.

The only way it wouldn't work is if your genuine self is a bitter, shallow, misogonyst.

Tyri0n, I agree with the above. I think you need to get out there and get a sexual companion. You may find that you stop worrying about all this silliness.


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02 Aug 2013, 4:27 pm

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Geekonychus wrote:
Stop giving a sh** about the type of person society says you should be and instead try to be your most genuine self. Accept that 99% of women will think you're weird, annoying or even creepy. If you are comfortable in your skin and not shallow or judgemental, the right women will respond enthusiastically to your odd quirks.

The only way it wouldn't work is if your genuine self is a bitter, shallow, misogonyst.

Tyri0n, I agree with the above. I think you need to get out there and get a sexual companion. You may find that you stop worrying about all this silliness.


Funny how getting "sexual companions" in the past didn't solve the silliness. Things just broke down later. I do not handle sleep deprivation as well as I did at 22 when I started dating. Now, I am too tired to have a girlfriend.

But just assuming I'm some kind of desperate (lol) virgin (double lol) is off topic.



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02 Aug 2013, 4:32 pm

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Geekonychus wrote:
Stop giving a sh** about the type of person society says you should be and instead try to be your most genuine self. Accept that 99% of women will think you're weird, annoying or even creepy. If you are comfortable in your skin and not shallow or judgemental, the right women will respond enthusiastically to your odd quirks.

The only way it wouldn't work is if your genuine self is a bitter, shallow, misogonyst.

Tyri0n, I agree with the above. I think you need to get out there and get a sexual companion. You may find that you stop worrying about all this silliness.


Funny how getting "sexual companions" in the past didn't solve the silliness. Things just broke down later. I do not handle sleep deprivation as well as I did at 22 when I started dating. Now, I am too tired to have a girlfriend.

But just assuming I'm some kind of desperate (lol) virgin (double lol) is off topic.

Being too beta, I am lacking the ability to readily and easily get fwbs and one night stands. But do are most guys.



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02 Aug 2013, 4:35 pm

Trion, maybe you could get into something that keeps you from droning on. You need to occupy your time with fulfilling activities, so you can do something to fill the lack of your inborn desire to have kids. Fishing is a great way to fill up free time.


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02 Aug 2013, 5:39 pm

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Then, when they only find men who are as low quality as themselves, or men who are higher quality than themselves who only want them for quick sex, they tend to get bitter against all men.

This is from your OP. I think these circumstances cause bitterness on the entire gender spectrum. However, calling out people as "ugly" and "low quality" is so vague as to seem to be meaninglessly bitter.

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I don't think 99% of women have a bad opinion of me. My issues are atypical for this board. I'm basically like an NT beta with insomnia that is an off and on barrier. A lot of women can be understanding of Asperger's. I haven't met a single one who is understanding of my insomnia and fatigue. Basically, after a few or more dates, all they see is my chronically bad attitude and lack of interests and hobbies. Yes, having a demanding job (any job during normal business hours) does this.

I still don't like entitlement. I don't feel entitled for women to put up with me.

And you resent that some people are "losers" and not only feel entitled to a partner, but actually have one?
You are really creating something out of nothing here. If you don't want to have a partner, then stop thinking about it. The fact that you bring these topics up makes me think you do feel some bitterness.

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I think you need to get out there and get a sexual companion. You may find that you stop worrying about all this silliness.


Funny how getting "sexual companions" in the past didn't solve the silliness. Things just broke down later.

Well that's what happens. Not all relationships are forever, but it's fun to enjoy them at the time.



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03 Aug 2013, 12:53 pm

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Then, when they only find men who are as low quality as themselves, or men who are higher quality than themselves who only want them for quick sex, they tend to get bitter against all men.

This is from your OP. I think these circumstances cause bitterness on the entire gender spectrum. However, calling out people as "ugly" and "low quality" is so vague as to seem to be meaninglessly bitter.

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I don't think 99% of women have a bad opinion of me. My issues are atypical for this board. I'm basically like an NT beta with insomnia that is an off and on barrier. A lot of women can be understanding of Asperger's. I haven't met a single one who is understanding of my insomnia and fatigue. Basically, after a few or more dates, all they see is my chronically bad attitude and lack of interests and hobbies. Yes, having a demanding job (any job during normal business hours) does this.

I still don't like entitlement. I don't feel entitled for women to put up with me.

And you resent that some people are "losers" and not only feel entitled to a partner, but actually have one?
You are really creating something out of nothing here. If you don't want to have a partner, then stop thinking about it. The fact that you bring these topics up makes me think you do feel some bitterness.

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I think you need to get out there and get a sexual companion. You may find that you stop worrying about all this silliness.


Funny how getting "sexual companions" in the past didn't solve the silliness. Things just broke down later.

Well that's what happens. Not all relationships are forever, but it's fun to enjoy them at the time.


I resent humanity not a specific gender. Btw I get "out" plenty like the party I went to last night.

Humans suck. Entitlement is gross.



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Trion, maybe you could get into something that keeps you from droning on. You need to occupy your time with fulfilling activities, so you can do something to fill the lack of your inborn desire to have kids. Fishing is a great way to fill up free time.


I work full time investigating large corporations.

In two weeks, I'm going back to law school full time. Trust me, I have plenty to do with my time. Add normal responsibilities to insomnia, and I don't have energy for much else.