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03 Nov 2013, 6:40 pm

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I am not a Sir...I'm a Ma'am. ;)


Shouldn't have told him that, now he will Really talk down to you. Unless he thinks you are The Queen... :lol:


:lol: I think leafplant was just messing around.

Thelibrarian, I agree with you. As for my androgynous manner, by that do you just mean my avatar and username, or the way I speak?


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03 Nov 2013, 6:45 pm

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I hope you understand that smarter people tend to know more than less smart people the same as those with good physiques and reflexes tend to be better athletes than those of us lacking these things. As with being a good athlete, learning is a lot of work. Since it is possible to be very intelligent and ignorant, we should admire those who have worked hard enough to become truly erudite even if we frequently disagree with them.

I do agree with you that being ostentatious--whether it be with money, good looks, or intelligence--is vulgar; a bit of humility is very becoming. But I wouldn't begrudge anybody for having any of these things. The world is inarguable a better place for these people with these qualities even if they don't always use them wisely.

If you don't wish to have your sex confused with male, you might want to portray yourself in a less androgynous, and more feminine, manner. As the French say of the sexes: Vive la difference. Of course, I couch my words as a hypothetical, as it is completely your decision how you wish to present yourself.

Now that we understand one another, I will wish you the best.


But can you fart and chew gum at the same time? That's the acid test! :P

You come across right now as personable as an ATM machine. And about as much fun. Obviously this is from your posts, and I admire your ability to be able to type so well from sitting on the back of a high horse. Maybe the horse just entered narcolepsy, from you reading your post out loud to it. Who can tell.

By your same argument, you should be grateful for the unwashed masses whose work and efforts meant that intellectuals had a better society in which to operate. They are the ones who bled into machines, toiled the fields and held it together just to create a world where your skills could actually have value.

Who are you to say what is used wisely?

You stand on the shoulders of those unwashed masses, 'sir'. Your forebears paid a high price for your arrogance - you should perhaps think on who really should be grateful to who.



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03 Nov 2013, 6:47 pm

smudge wrote:
leafplant wrote:
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I am not a Sir...I'm a Ma'am. ;)


Shouldn't have told him that, now he will Really talk down to you. Unless he thinks you are The Queen... :lol:


:lol: I think leafplant was just messing around.

Thelibrarian, I agree with you. As for my androgynous manner, by that do you just mean my avatar and username, or the way I speak?


Yes, I am referring to your avatar and user name. It is just my personal opinion, but I think the feminine touch is a nice touch. I like to see women be true to who they are. As with smart people, not all women are good, but the world is a better place for having both.

Since I have been polite, and have afforded you every opportunity to explain yourself, I'm not sure how I have "talked down to you". I will again offer you a chance to explain if and why you think this is the case. If you can demonstrate that my conduct is remiss in any way, I will make all due amends. Fair enough?



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03 Nov 2013, 6:50 pm

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Yes, I am referring to your avatar and user name. It is just my personal opinion, but I think the feminine touch is a nice touch. I like to see women be true to who they are.


You serious? No, wait, you are serious.

Oh dear.



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03 Nov 2013, 6:53 pm

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I hope you understand that smarter people tend to know more than less smart people the same as those with good physiques and reflexes tend to be better athletes than those of us lacking these things. As with being a good athlete, learning is a lot of work. Since it is possible to be very intelligent and ignorant, we should admire those who have worked hard enough to become truly erudite even if we frequently disagree with them.

I do agree with you that being ostentatious--whether it be with money, good looks, or intelligence--is vulgar; a bit of humility is very becoming. But I wouldn't begrudge anybody for having any of these things. The world is inarguable a better place for these people with these qualities even if they don't always use them wisely.

If you don't wish to have your sex confused with male, you might want to portray yourself in a less androgynous, and more feminine, manner. As the French say of the sexes: Vive la difference. Of course, I couch my words as a hypothetical, as it is completely your decision how you wish to present yourself.

Now that we understand one another, I will wish you the best.


But can you fart and chew gum at the same time? That's the acid test! :P

You come across right now as personable as an ATM machine. And about as much fun. Obviously this is from your posts, and I admire your ability to be able to type so well from sitting on the back of a high horse. Maybe the horse just entered narcolepsy, from you reading your post out loud to it. Who can tell.

By your same argument, you should be grateful for the unwashed masses whose work and efforts meant that intellectuals had a better society in which to operate. They are the ones who bled into machines, toiled the fields and held it together just to create a world where your skills could actually have value.

Who are you to say what is used wisely?

You stand on the shoulders of those unwashed masses, 'sir'. Your forebears paid a high price for your arrogance - you should perhaps think on who really should be grateful to who.


Ad hominem attacks are the most graceless way of admitting you've just lost the argument, my friend. They mean you have nothing intelligent to say. If you can't do better than this, don't waste my time or yours with further posts concerning me. Can you do better and behave like an adult, or do I treat you like a petulant child and ignore you?



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03 Nov 2013, 7:03 pm

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Ad hominem attacks are the most graceless way of admitting you've just lost the argument, my friend. They mean you have nothing intelligent to say. If you can't do better than this, don't waste my time or yours with further posts concerning me. Can you do better and behave like an adult?


There's nothing ad hominem about it, actually. And there's no argument. (Another one who thinks a dissenting opinion is an argument or a personal attack. Boring.)

Tell you what, you show me what 'grace' is, you show me what an 'adult' should be like (which you are not), and I'm quite happy to learn something from you. All I am getting is the stink of a superiority complex and haughtiness.

Smart men, my arse.

There's no point debating with you, it's as about as much use (and human) as arguing with a pocket calculator, at the moment. You seem to be good at treating people like children at the moment (maybe you're having a bad day), so do as you see fit.



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03 Nov 2013, 7:06 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
smudge wrote:
leafplant wrote:
smudge wrote:
I am not a Sir...I'm a Ma'am. ;)


Shouldn't have told him that, now he will Really talk down to you. Unless he thinks you are The Queen... :lol:


:lol: I think leafplant was just messing around.

Thelibrarian, I agree with you. As for my androgynous manner, by that do you just mean my avatar and username, or the way I speak?


Yes, I am referring to your avatar and user name. It is just my personal opinion, but I think the feminine touch is a nice touch. I like to see women be true to who they are. As with smart people, not all women are good, but the world is a better place for having both.

Since I have been polite, and have afforded you every opportunity to explain yourself, I'm not sure how I have "talked down to you". I will again offer you a chance to explain if and why you think this is the case. If you can demonstrate that my conduct is remiss in any way, I will make all due amends. Fair enough?


I am who I am, I guess which doesn't particularly fit into a category. I have some feminine interests though, such as Daniel Bruhl on my avatar. He is so very, very handsome. :wink:

I did not see the bit you added to the end of your previous post, that I should be grateful for intellects. Octobertiger has worded it well - it is as if you are placing intellects upon a high chair and that all the people who aren't, should look up to them and be grateful, as if the intellects are above them. That was the point I was making earlier. Intelligence and achievements do not necessarily make one a better person.


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03 Nov 2013, 7:09 pm

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How do you know I'm going to talk down to anybody? I think the reason you liberals are so abhorred with stereotypes is that you are so poor at doing them. And this is proof.


yeah, what was it that an ad hominem looks like again?



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03 Nov 2013, 7:19 pm

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How do you know I'm going to talk down to anybody? I think the reason you liberals are so abhorred with stereotypes is that you are so poor at doing them. And this is proof.


Where did that quote come from? That's beautiful, that's poetry.

Quote translates -
How do you know I'm going to be childish? go goo ga ga goo. Well, how do you know? :lol:



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03 Nov 2013, 7:24 pm

smudge wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
smudge wrote:
leafplant wrote:
smudge wrote:
I am not a Sir...I'm a Ma'am. ;)


Shouldn't have told him that, now he will Really talk down to you. Unless he thinks you are The Queen... :lol:


:lol: I think leafplant was just messing around.

Thelibrarian, I agree with you. As for my androgynous manner, by that do you just mean my avatar and username, or the way I speak?


Yes, I am referring to your avatar and user name. It is just my personal opinion, but I think the feminine touch is a nice touch. I like to see women be true to who they are. As with smart people, not all women are good, but the world is a better place for having both.

Since I have been polite, and have afforded you every opportunity to explain yourself, I'm not sure how I have "talked down to you". I will again offer you a chance to explain if and why you think this is the case. If you can demonstrate that my conduct is remiss in any way, I will make all due amends. Fair enough?


I am who I am, I guess which doesn't particularly fit into a category. I have some feminine interests though, such as Daniel Bruhl on my avatar. He is so very, very handsome. :wink:

I did not see the bit you added to the end of your previous post, that I should be grateful for intellects. Octobertiger has worded it well - it is as if you are placing intellects upon a high chair and that all the people who aren't, should look up to them and be grateful, as if the intellects are above them. That was the point I was making earlier. Intelligence and achievements do not necessarily make one a better person.


The point I have been trying to make is that intelligent people--geeks--have made invaluable contributions to this world. Are you saying you disagree?



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03 Nov 2013, 7:25 pm

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How do you know I'm going to talk down to anybody? I think the reason you liberals are so abhorred with stereotypes is that you are so poor at doing them. And this is proof.


yeah, what was it that an ad hominem looks like again?


An ad hominem attack is one that attacks the person rather than their ideas. Any more questions?



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03 Nov 2013, 7:41 pm

Halfmadgenius, despite this recent exchange, I hope you won't feel guilty or ashamed for being attracted to smart men; there is no reason to be. To each her own.



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03 Nov 2013, 7:49 pm

octobertiger wrote:
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How do you know I'm going to talk down to anybody? I think the reason you liberals are so abhorred with stereotypes is that you are so poor at doing them. And this is proof.


Where did that quote come from? That's beautiful, that's poetry.

Quote translates -
How do you know I'm going to be childish? go goo ga ga goo. Well, how do you know? :lol:


Octobertiger, that's frucking hysterical!



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03 Nov 2013, 8:25 pm

I agree know it alls suck. I try not to be one, though I may come across as one sometimes when I get carried away, don't mean to but I get excited when talking about science or history, I find these things fascinating.

I want a smart man so I have someone to talk to about things that interest me. I would never think myself better than another based on intelligence alone. The person I love most of all, my mom, happens to have a low intellect but she knows things about people and farming that I do not. But once we watched a science documentary together and I got so excited, I really wanted to discuss it after but my mom hadn't taken in a word of it.

I want a man I can talk to above all else. I am having a hard time finding a person I can connect to and I am lonely. I don't know anything about sports, snow boarding is kind of cool but if there are more than two people on the floor I can't keep up. And neither cars nor celebrities hold my attention. Even if I tried to follow celebrities I can't tell Lindsay Lohan from Paris Hilton. Take Orlando Bloom out of the elf costume and I don't know him from Adam. In middle school it took me days to learn my only friend's name.

As for those who are 'ret*d' in body awareness, I'm one of those. I probably trip at least once a day and am constantly bumping into doorways because I am mistaken about where exactly my body is in relation to the door.

I know full well my limitations. I know I can't connect with regular people, its just not in me. That is why I need a smart guy, because intellect is really all I have to work with. Perhaps it's the same for those know it alls you so despise, it's all they've got and they know it.



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03 Nov 2013, 8:30 pm

Halfmadgenius wrote:
I agree know it alls suck. I try not to be one, though I may come across as one sometimes when I get carried away, don't mean to but I get excited when talking about science or history, I find these things fascinating.

I want a smart man so I have someone to talk to about things that interest me. I would never think myself better than another based on intelligence alone. The person I love most of all, my mom, happens to have a low intellect but she knows things about people and farming that I do not. But once we watched a science documentary together and I got so excited, I really wanted to discuss it after but my mom hadn't taken in a word of it.
Yeah, there's nothing wrong in being passionate and having an opinion about something. Occasionally there will be times we value our own opinion enough to a point above reason. Everyone's guilty of that and you might even find a partner like that at some point. As long as they aren't like that with every single issue, or most issues, then with luck you'll have a lot of intelligent debates together :)

As for where to find smart men where you live...depending how much you need the physical comforts maybe it's time to start looking where you don't live :P
I don't know if dating sites or WrongPlanet are a good starting point, but how about considering discussion forums and chatrooms for special interests of yours? There's bound to be guys fairly knowledgeable in those subjects there you'll get along with.



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03 Nov 2013, 8:42 pm

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I agree know it alls suck. I try not to be one, though I may come across as one sometimes when I get carried away, don't mean to but I get excited when talking about science or history, I find these things fascinating.

I want a smart man so I have someone to talk to about things that interest me. I would never think myself better than another based on intelligence alone. The person I love most of all, my mom, happens to have a low intellect but she knows things about people and farming that I do not. But once we watched a science documentary together and I got so excited, I really wanted to discuss it after but my mom hadn't taken in a word of it.

I want a man I can talk to above all else. I am having a hard time finding a person I can connect to and I am lonely. I don't know anything about sports, snow boarding is kind of cool but if there are more than two people on the floor I can't keep up. And neither cars nor celebrities hold my attention. Even if I tried to follow celebrities I can't tell Lindsay Lohan from Paris Hilton. Take Orlando Bloom out of the elf costume and I don't know him from Adam. In middle school it took me days to learn my only friend's name.

As for those who are 'ret*d' in body awareness, I'm one of those. I probably trip at least once a day and am constantly bumping into doorways because I am mistaken about where exactly my body is in relation to the door.

I know full well my limitations. I know I can't connect with less intellectual people; I don't know what to say to them. That is why I need a smart guy, because intellect is really all I have to work with. Perhaps it's the same for those know it alls you so despise, it's all they've got and they know it.


Genius, from what you describe of yourself in this post, you sound like my female alter ego. I don't give a whit about popular culture beyond some of the music.

I am very passionate about my interests, which are comparing the central ideas of the period ranging between the cultural revolution of the sixties, all the way back to pre-modern times; and the central ideas since the cultural revolution.

I also have a hard time relating to those less intellectually inclined, as evidenced by this exchange, though I am not an egalitarian. Instead, I believe we are all different and unique, with aspies being some of the most unique of all. I refuse to apologize for my own intellectual pursuits, and will defend anybody else with similar inclinations.

I am also very clumsy, though I have learned to deal with that to some degree. I too am a farmer (a rancher actually), something I didn't start until eleven years ago. So, I have great respect for truly proficient farmers. Doing it well is not as easy as it looks.

Therefore, while I'm in a relationship and wouldn't be available in that capacity, I am offering to be your friend. Maybe we can find some things to talk about that are of mutual interest; it sure beats being lonely. Just PM me if you are interested.



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