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25 May 2014, 3:54 am

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And by the way, this whole alpha male bull phenomenon is a US sensation, most non Western women are happy to find a good guy.

US women are not just a baffle to US men but they baffle the entire world when they go for douches, most of the MTV douches would be seen as vulgar and unattractive in other cultures and communities.

In Asia or certain parts of Europe, you will find a nicer women and there's a ninety five percent chance she will fulfil your desires better.


Controlling men do this. They go to other countries where women are considered second class in order to "get" a woman to control. I see men do this ESPECIALLY in places where the women often have no choice but to either go with a well off abuser or die due to starvation. It's DISGUSTING, and these men are USERS AND ABUSERS.


This is a misconception.

I am involved with a woman who is a strong independent woman and I'm certainly not the boss of anyone. Viewing a partnership as an equal effort that requires consistent tending instead of expecting everything to be perfect or having a sense of entitlement. The trouble with our society is that many people want what is convenient and have romanticized views of love or an ideal partner, this leaves them divorced, unhappy and confused at why they haven't fulfilled their idealistic expectations of finding the perfect marriage.

Why do you see people that date outside of their culture as something that isn't positive? Do you have any statistics to back that up?


You misunderstand me, and it's not a misconception. I am in a marriage with someone who is outside of the american culture. He is Fiipino. We both reject our cultures.

What you claim as idealistic expectations is simply the NERVE *gasp* of american women being assertive with who they choose as their partner.



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25 May 2014, 4:06 am

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And by the way, this whole alpha male bull phenomenon is a US sensation, most non Western women are happy to find a good guy.

US women are not just a baffle to US men but they baffle the entire world when they go for douches, most of the MTV douches would be seen as vulgar and unattractive in other cultures and communities.

In Asia or certain parts of Europe, you will find a nicer women and there's a ninety five percent chance she will fulfil your desires better.


Controlling men do this. They go to other countries where women are considered second class in order to "get" a woman to control. I see men do this ESPECIALLY in places where the women often have no choice but to either go with a well off abuser or die due to starvation. It's DISGUSTING, and these men are USERS AND ABUSERS.


This is a misconception.

I am involved with a woman who is a strong independent woman and I'm certainly not the boss of anyone. Viewing a partnership as an equal effort that requires consistent tending instead of expecting everything to be perfect or having a sense of entitlement. The trouble with our society is that many people want what is convenient and have romanticized views of love or an ideal partner, this leaves them divorced, unhappy and confused at why they haven't fulfilled their idealistic expectations of finding the perfect marriage.

Why do you see people that date outside of their culture as something that isn't positive? Do you have any statistics to back that up?


You misunderstand me, and it's not a misconception. I am in a marriage with someone who is outside of the american culture. He is Fiipino. We both reject our cultures.

What you claim as idealistic expectations is simply the NERVE *gasp* of american women being assertive with who they choose as their partner.


Not at all, everyone has the right to make a bid and play their chips, I have no problems with people in being assertive but if you place unrealistic expectations on everything, you will never be happy. I just don't like the whole mentality "I take care of myself and my needs first in the relationship", relationships should be about serving each other, caring about each other, loving each other and doing what is the greatest good for the family. It shouldn't be about selfish gain but about selfless giving.

I think that attitude is selfish and it tends to lead to divorce because both people aren't willing to work together.



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25 May 2014, 5:27 am

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I think the problem here is psychiatry and psychology tends to attract lazy types, people looking for a lifestyle job. Not all of them, but too many of them. I've had several of them, some of who were good, some of who thought I was going to figure out things, and they sat back and laughed, enjoyed the money, etc.

Also, we should hear how tall he is. I in no way justify anything he did, but heightism against men is far more brutal than weightism against women, who can lose and change. We all know men NEED sex for mental health and stability. Heightism is almost as bad as racism, esp. because people can be heightist in public. He describes the view of him as a "mouse," "manlet," which implies he was small. Lucky for me, I managed to get laid, at 23, in a ONS, and I tried hard to improve. Something tells me this guy's therapist hasn't pushed him to change his personality/social flaws enough to get with anyone. UCSD is a big school: he should be able to get a ONS. I also lowered my standards, this kid doesn't look like he did at all. But still, heightism must be explored.


Wow. What a mess of unpleasant projection.

The problem is it seems no-one cared to sit him down and tell him he wasn't entitled to women and their bodies. That, indeed, no-one is. The further problem is he had a culture (and then subculture with a particular twist of intensity) that told him, time after time, that he was. The problem is this sense of entitlement is not in any way rare or unusual. It is so commonplace it is overlooked, and the killer thus becomes labelled a narcissist in a move of denial. You know, not like us. Abnormal.

The problem is there's a chance most of his therapists overlooked this in favour of encouraging it by trying to get him more 'dateable'.

The problem is a lot of people are thinking about all the things he should/could have done to try and get sex. He didn't need sex. He needed a lot of help in a variety of ways, primary being told 'nothing entitles you to a woman's body', with clear explanations as to why if necessary.

Heightism is not as bad as racism, ffs. Nothing like. Up to a point, people the height of Peter Dinklage and Warwick Davis will get a lot of s**t. Otherwise, no.

Men do not need sex, full stop. They don't. Some may think they do, but they don't. Sexual release I could agree with, for men and women. In the vast majority of cases, they can provide this relief for themselves.


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25 May 2014, 5:35 am

I'd never let what someone did to me make me take the life of innocent people.

What a w*ker.

No amount of rejection is an excuse.



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25 May 2014, 5:37 am

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That's why we need to acquire resources before attacking, we need to be angry but not angry to pick up a gun but angry to open our minds, to liberate others. We need to prove we are superior to the neurotypical but not with a gun, we need to know to do with our minds, our intellect.

He's gone now, we can't help him now, we could have showed him he could have had his vengeance without pulling a trigger, without taking another life. We need to focus on helping people in this community so they don't go out and kill a bunch of people, instead of stigmatizing them.

We lost one of our own yesterday, he does require justice and what he did is inexcusable of justice but maybe if we had been open and more supportive instead of bickering or judging each other on here, we could have prevented this tragedy.

1. Your compassion for the victims is heart-warming. I almost shed a tear.

2. Advocating Autism Supremacy seems like an *entirely* appropriate strategy 2 days after a mass shooting by someone who apparently was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome.

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25 May 2014, 5:58 am

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Is this a nice guys debate thread yet? I'm thinking it is.


The truth of the matter is that the US media wants to blame Autism for the murders because they can't accept that gun legislation laws need to change in the United States because there are billions of weapons manufacturers who benefit and make big money out of guns. The US need to focus more on social care instead of just boycotting people until they are ready to go out and kill. The United States can't accept responsibility for their lack of gun control, lack of social care and medical care towards those who are on the spectrum.

America's hedonism, materialism, vanity and value on the outside appearance of what you have or who you look is the source of the problem. On top of that, California is probably the worst place for anyone on the spectrum.

That's why we need to acquire resources before attacking, we need to be angry but not angry to pick up a gun but angry to open our minds, to liberate others. We need to prove we are superior to the neurotypical but not with a gun, we need to know to do with our minds, our intellect.

He's gone now, we can't help him now, we could have showed him he could have had his vengeance without pulling a trigger, without taking another life. We need to focus on helping people in this community so they don't go out and kill a bunch of people, instead of stigmatizing them.

We lost one of our own yesterday, he does require justice and what he did is inexcusable of justice but maybe if we had been open and more supportive instead of bickering or judging each other on here, we could have prevented this tragedy.


Vengeance against what? Women who wouldn't sleep with him? A woman not being romantically interested in you requires vengeance? That right there is the problem, not the solution. f*****g hell.

'We' do not need to 'prove we are superior'. What 'we', AS and NT, do need is less of the sort of asinine BS you so kindly lay out here.

He wasn't one of 'our own'. I don't know about you, but 'my own' do not think that women 'should not have the right to choose who they mate and breed with'. Should I have my aspergers reassessed?

'Our own'. FFS. He was a misogynistic, entitled, racist, murdering f**kwit.


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25 May 2014, 6:04 am

I wouldn't bother arguing with the woman hater. It's not worth it.

There are nutters everywhere, aspergers and not. Plenty of nutters here. Not worth noticing. You can't reason with a nutter. They can't learn. Just save your breath.



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25 May 2014, 7:00 am

GGPViper wrote:
Archdevilius wrote:
That's why we need to acquire resources before attacking, we need to be angry but not angry to pick up a gun but angry to open our minds, to liberate others. We need to prove we are superior to the neurotypical but not with a gun, we need to know to do with our minds, our intellect.

He's gone now, we can't help him now, we could have showed him he could have had his vengeance without pulling a trigger, without taking another life. We need to focus on helping people in this community so they don't go out and kill a bunch of people, instead of stigmatizing them.

We lost one of our own yesterday, he does require justice and what he did is inexcusable of justice but maybe if we had been open and more supportive instead of bickering or judging each other on here, we could have prevented this tragedy.

1. Your compassion for the victims is heart-warming. I almost shed a tear.

2. Advocating Autism Supremacy seems like an *entirely* appropriate strategy 2 days after a mass shooting by someone who apparently was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome.

[/sarcasm]


Archdevilius has now been banned from the site. His autism supremacy stance along with his empathy towards the shooter are not representative of the feelings of the majority of the members of this site and are not welcome. This is an autism support site - not the Hitler youth movement!


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25 May 2014, 7:00 am

Archdevilius has been banned from WP.
Such extremist views are not welcome here and will not be tolerated.


ETA: Oops, a mod. pileup. :lol:


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25 May 2014, 7:54 am

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Archdevilius has been banned from WP.
Such extremist views are not welcome here and will not be tolerated.


ETA: Oops, a mod. pileup. :lol:


:D lol



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25 May 2014, 8:10 am

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The problem is it seems no-one cared to sit him down and tell him he wasn't entitled to women and their bodies. That, indeed, no-one is. The further problem is he had a culture (and then subculture with a particular twist of intensity) that told him, time after time, that he was. The problem is this sense of entitlement is not in any way rare or unusual. It is so commonplace it is overlooked, and the killer thus becomes labelled a narcissist in a move of denial. You know, not like us. Abnormal.


I think this is a symptom and not the problem. I think we live in a hustling based culture that is screwed up and treats everything as though it is a commodity. This means we live in a society in which people are objectified. Losing one's virginity is considered a rite of passage and confers social status. If one does not lose it by a certain age one is considered a loser or at least that is the perception.

IMHO, one has to look at the culture itself through different contexts like historical, social, philosophical, etc.



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25 May 2014, 8:10 am

Betcha the government of the state where he resides doesn't admit it was their fault for failing to give him adequate diagnostic and treatment therapy to have prevented this from happening or the United Nations World Health Organisation for failing to legislate that signatory states should institute such a diagnostic and treatment therapy - betcha it'll be called the boy's fault or the parents' faults but not his school's fault or their doctor's fault - someday someone will have the courage to sue the authorities for corporate or contributory manslaughter in such cases and chuck the fat-cat governors and chief execs of them in prison and throw away the key - I am sick up to here - the gills - with these fat cats getting bonuses for not doing their jobs properly - people like us wrongplanet peeps wouldn't last a minute in a job in which we were as incompetent as that lot - so how can they manage it but we cant?


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25 May 2014, 8:32 am

TallyMan wrote:
Archdevilius has now been banned from the site. His autism supremacy stance along with his empathy towards the shooter are not representative of the feelings of the majority of the members of this site and are not welcome. This is an autism support site - not the Hitler youth movement!


Cornflake wrote:
Archdevilius has been banned from WP.
Such extremist views are not welcome here and will not be tolerated.


ETA: Oops, a mod. pileup. :lol:


Excellent - thank you.

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The problem is it seems no-one cared to sit him down and tell him he wasn't entitled to women and their bodies. That, indeed, no-one is. The further problem is he had a culture (and then subculture with a particular twist of intensity) that told him, time after time, that he was. The problem is this sense of entitlement is not in any way rare or unusual. It is so commonplace it is overlooked, and the killer thus becomes labelled a narcissist in a move of denial. You know, not like us. Abnormal.


I think this is a symptom and not the problem. I think we live in a hustling based culture that is screwed up and treats everything as though it is a commodity. This means we live in a society in which people are objectified. Losing one's virginity is considered a rite of passage and confers social status. If one does not lose it by a certain age one is considered a loser or at least that is the perception.

IMHO, one has to look at the culture itself through different contexts like historical, social, philosophical, etc.


Certainly, yes. I am a pluralist, in that I believe there are many valid ways of looking at something, and the right ones are the ones that will prove most fruitful.

Though I don't think there is an original 'problem' point from which all other problems flow, and something can be both a problem in itself and sympomatic of - created and supported by - other problems. There are many things that could have been done or different to prevent this.

The thing Rodger speaks most of is his entitlement. He should have a woman, but doesn't. The only answer is he is being purposely deprived - he considers himself 'starved and tortured'. That many men think and behave in a way that gestures to (and often explicitly references) this entitlement to women and their bodies and affections is a problem. That he states it quite clearly, but it is waved away as his being 'a madman' or 'a narcissist', that others (of varying degrees of nastiness) have seriously lamented that he couldn't just have a date set up or go to a sex worker or even 'this is what happens when you reject Nice Guys, women, so be careful', gives me the impression its not something society wants to face up to.


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25 May 2014, 8:42 am

I know I'm setting myself up for an attack, but I need to speak out on this...

Let me begin by stating in the strongest way possible.- I totally disagree with the viewpoint of Archedevillius, but I don't think he should have been banned for expressing his (wrongheaded) opinions. I do think it would have been appropriate for those of us in the majority opinion to attack the content of his post.

Banning him does not solve the problem of his mindset. He advocated Aspie supremacy and sympathy for a murderer....yechh - this guy needs help in acquiring a more mature mindset...will he get it here amongst those who 'get it'...not now, Now what will he do? And who is going to care more about him and other Aspie isolates...who else has a clue as to what it's like to deal with rejection and how to overcome these issues?

Hate the act, not the actor...ban the action, not the doer...attack the opinion, not the person. Now he'll go off and stew somewhere, not be able to interact with us.One of the major threads in these spree killings that have involved Aspies is isolation and the twisted response and violent mindset they adopt. If this issue cannot be debated here...in all its nastiness even, then where can it be debated...Facebook? CNN? FOX News?

For a lot of Aspies, a good deal of our social interaction is media facilitated. Please bring Archedevillies back - not so we can agree with him (blech), but so that he stays in the loop and does not become the 'next one'.

Archevillius' banning aside...

yeah, the entitlement culture that Elliott Rodgers was raised in is definitely part of the problem - and he's a product of that culture.



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25 May 2014, 8:54 am

This is horrid I can't bare to think somebody would do such a thing. Im sad I don't haveba girlfriend or love, somebody to be with but in would never even dream of doing this it's wrong! I could never hurt anybody ever its stuff like this that makes me scared of what anybody is capable of and the also makes me feel insecure, because people will then look at AS look at me even and think of what that guy has done and associate me with it. I would never dream of such a thing ever, this is one the times where I am ashamed as this will give all the haters of AS out thier something to bring up.



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25 May 2014, 8:57 am

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This is horrid I can't bare to think somebody would do such a thing. Im sad I don't haveba girlfriend or love, somebody to be with but in would never even dream of doing this it's wrong! I could never hurt anybody ever its stuff like this that makes me scared of what anybody is capable of and the also makes me feel insecure, because people will then look at AS look at me even and think of what that guy has done and associate me with it. I would never dream of such a thing ever, this is one the times where I am ashamed as this will give all the haters of AS out thier something to bring up.


Awe. Well, I hope people don't do that to you. It sucks when the men who are gentle souls are judged by the actions of people like this.