Dating an anti-feminist girl

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If a guy (or a woman) is actually discriminated against, I don't think the discriminated one cares about the "history" of discrimination--whether, historically, women were discriminated against by the "Patriarchy," etc. This is best left to the intellectuals/academics who are conducting studies pertaining to the subject. He/she wants to deal with his/her specific case of discrimination.

He/she wants to deal with the discrimination on a discrete, individual level, applicable only to his/her self and the person doing the discriminating. This is a "real-life" situation. Historicity has no basis in this argument. What counts is the fact of the discrimination AT THAT IMMEDIATE MOMENT. Whether women were discriminated against more in the past (obviously true) carries little relevance here.

Last edited by kraftiekortie on 12 Aug 2014, 5:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The history of gender imbalance means though, that it remains a reality for women in so many aspects of our lives. Yes, there has been legislative, political and economic change, but I think it is, quite understandably, difficult for men fully to grasp the extent to which women are still subject to inequalities and perceptions based on gender. Our society, and I speak here of Western industrialised societies which have moved substantially towards formal gender equality, is so permeated with, and formed by, patriarchal attitudes, that they are quite simply part of our everyday landscape.

You're a terrible liar. There was no point in adding "If you are a man" if all you meant was "You have not personally experienced gender discrimination." Like, at all. And as I said when you first tried covering yourself, it doesn't pass the smells test that you're willing to assume I haven't personally experienced gender discrimination but not willing to assume my gender (which I'm sure you suspected from my posts in other threads such as this handsome specimen: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt263073.html) You're better off just admitting that you got caught in the moment and said something stupid and offensive. But oh you can't do that since that means I Would Have Won?!

New WP rule: correctly guess every poster's gender, or keep your mouth shut.

I'll be changing my avatar now to something gender-neutral.

I happen to like your avatar.

It looks nice.

Wait? Are you saying that is a woman discriminates against a man in the workplace, it's not as bad as a men discriminating against a woman?

More food for thought (unless, as a few here seem to be, you're on a permanent intellectual diet ):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/1 ... mg00000063

You ain't fooling anybody, sweetie

Thank you! It's one of those "cartoon-ize yourself" things. I had fun creating it.

OWS, I just noticed your growing list of sig lines after reading your frothing at eureka....gave me a bit of a chuckle at first, but then I thought 'jesus, he has no idea how he comes off', and thought I ought to say something.

If you talk about someone implying you're a rapist, and in the same breath show yourself a calendar-keeping petty person and hostile to women generally, you...kinda give credence to the idea that maybe that implication has something to it. Like if I just walked in, and didn't know any of the people here, I'd think, "Maybe this tarantella's on to something."

To clarify, I never implied you're a rapist. I do think you're a complete bozo on the subject of nonverbal cues. But a rapist, not unless someone turns up saying "he raped me." The way you've arranged your sigfile, though, you're asking for people to think that maybe there's, you know, an issue with you.

That isn't what she said. Read it again, all the words.

I have a mathematics degree and I'm an electrical engineering student. Trust me, keeping track of one more number is hardly a strain on my brain, especially not when it helps me make a point that's important to me. I'm not hostile to women generally (another bogus claim, what a surprise), though I am clearly hostile to feminism's claim of supporting equal rights, as well as the sexism on this board that suggests a guy can't act on nonverbal cues without inherently disrespecting a woman. I'm also hostile to you for very specific reasons you're well aware of and for which you still haven't taken responsibility, despite moderator XFilesGeek assuring me he sent you a PM toward that end. In fact, this is his entire last PM to me:





Fully five other people, including a moderator, have agreed with me that what you said sounds rapey, warrants an apology, or constitutes an attack. As vickygleitz pointed out, you may have underestimated how severely your words affected me. Here's the quote for prosperity, so people can again decide for themselves (bold emphasis mine):



If you expected me to not take that personally, you were very sorely mistaken. I gave you the perfect opportunity to take back your words here. After relating my story of how upset I was for being made to feel that I intended harm on others, I really thought you would have shown me sympathy and would do the right thing. But what did I get in my inbox instead? You still adamantly arguing you're not guilty of wrongdoing; how I insult people when in actuality I insulted only you by saying (and I quote) "you represent the worst of feminism" and then only after you repeatedly undermined my own successful experiences with dating and made me to feel like I'm utterly incompetent, loathingly disrespectful, and impossibly dense; how I'm irrational; how I (and I quote) "disagreed with [you] vehemently for no apparent reason" even when I started out calm and said multiple times what my position was; how I'm "hugging this idea that I'm calling you a rapist like it's the last lifesaver on the Titanic" as if I'm happy to keep bringing up your hurtful words, and as if you really have no idea how hurtful saying what you did was. And for the record, I said you implied or suggested it. I'd pull up Merriam again to show you intent isn't required for an implication, but even I've grown too tired of myself doing that (do it yourselves, folks). I refuse to make any excuses about feeling very angry and upset with you in particular, tarantella64.

Now. With all that said, I'm fully and completely wanting to gratefully walk away from my antagonism, anger, and frustration and will if you would agree that, indeed, maybe you don't have the full picture and that, even if you don't understand me, you shouldn't have said what you did. Please. Believe me, I'd like nothing more than to drop this feud and these dreadful feelings. I'm exhausted and I'd frankly rather talk about something else. I can't let it slide until I'm vindicated, but I'd really like nothing more than to stop bringing it up. Truly. Could you please take it back? What would I have to say or do for you to take it back?

That's a surprisingly (or not) common belief on the lefty side of things, you'll see a very similar rationale used to argue that anti-white racism, for example, is different than the other kinds because of the historical context, etc, completely ignoring the fact that none of that really matters to the victim of said bigotry.

ows, that deserves a real response, but I am slammed with work and will not likely get to it before the weekend. Just letting you know I'm not ignoring you.

And is a very legit rationale. Go left-wings!

No it isn't. You stating that proves you don't believe in equality, but some form of entitlement. There is a difference between believing everyone should be treated with respect, as opposed to feeling you are entitled to be treated a certain way because of the atrocities of the past. This is just one the reasons why I don't like the term feminism and am in favor of equality. Let me ask you this, do you think if a woman commits a crime, lets say murder for instance. Should she get less of a sentence than a man, simply because she's a woman? What if it was another crime, like shop lifting, tax evasion, possession of an illegal substance.