Consequences in "why to ask first"

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27 Aug 2014, 9:12 pm

Rape is gender blind and there are many animals out there who used disturbing methods to get what they want from either sex and even children...

It is not about sex, but about power and degradation, about violence in which sex is the weapon. Psychologists identify several causes: a desire for conquest and control; revenge and retaliation; and what is called 'conflict and counteraction', in which a rapist may punish his victim as a way of dealing with confusion about his own sexuality.

Richie McMullen believed the main causes had to do with negative aspects of power and aggression. 'It is as though the offender is over-compensating for any other potential hurts to his already otherwise fragile masculinity. He must act out or externalise his fears in such a way as to be seen to be more dominant, more masculine, than he is in reality . . . Undefined and confused notions of what it means to be a masculine, powerful, dominant man echo through our culture like football chants.'

Because sexual gratification is not the main objective, a rapist may be 'gender blind', able to act either on a male or a female victim. An offender often pays little attention to his choice of victim, or his age or physical condition.



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27 Aug 2014, 9:12 pm

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Oh and if you are a male, you are more likely to get raped by a group as the other male will think he needs the extra manpower or a weapon to rape another man, look at prison rapes or rapes that occur with men.

"A 29-year-old man opened the door of his flat in Doncaster to a man he knew. This man was David Betts, 27, slightly the worse for drink, explaining that he couldn't return home drunk to his pregnant girlfriend. Betts then produced a knife and ordered his victim into his bedroom. He raped him twice in three hours. Horrific violence; terrible bruises.

THIS IS not an isolated case. In Glasgow a man says: 'I can only tell you about the pain, because pain is all I feel.' Two years ago he was dragged on to a field at dusk by three men, one of whom he knew.

In the London area there were attacks in Croydon, London Bridge, Streatham, Finsbury Park and Piccadilly Circus. Last month a 30-year-old man claimed he was raped by a gang of drunken soldiers near army barracks in Aldershot.

Richie McMullen's book, Male Rape: Breaking the Silence on the Last Taboo, kicks off with a statement that is repeated and supported by research throughout the text: most male rapes are committed by heterosexuals.

This morning, Ben, a heterosexual man of 35, will try to leave his house. Most likely he'll fail. He used to go out to work - no more. He used to go out after dark. He used to have a fiancee.

Ben is a big man, ex-Army, could look after himself. He used to find it easy to make friends. 'I had the normal life,' he says. He was raped in 1989 in Kensington by a stranger with a knife. He cries as he talks, as he relives his trauma. He apologises. He holds his hands to his face. He continues. 'I want to tell you what it's like,' he says."


We're all aware that men can be raped by other men, just so you know.


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27 Aug 2014, 9:21 pm

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Oh and if you are a male, you are more likely to get raped by a group as the other male will think he needs the extra manpower or a weapon to rape another man, look at prison rapes or rapes that occur with men.

"A 29-year-old man opened the door of his flat in Doncaster to a man he knew. This man was David Betts, 27, slightly the worse for drink, explaining that he couldn't return home drunk to his pregnant girlfriend. Betts then produced a knife and ordered his victim into his bedroom. He raped him twice in three hours. Horrific violence; terrible bruises.

THIS IS not an isolated case. In Glasgow a man says: 'I can only tell you about the pain, because pain is all I feel.' Two years ago he was dragged on to a field at dusk by three men, one of whom he knew.

In the London area there were attacks in Croydon, London Bridge, Streatham, Finsbury Park and Piccadilly Circus. Last month a 30-year-old man claimed he was raped by a gang of drunken soldiers near army barracks in Aldershot.

Richie McMullen's book, Male Rape: Breaking the Silence on the Last Taboo, kicks off with a statement that is repeated and supported by research throughout the text: most male rapes are committed by heterosexuals.

This morning, Ben, a heterosexual man of 35, will try to leave his house. Most likely he'll fail. He used to go out to work - no more. He used to go out after dark. He used to have a fiancee.

Ben is a big man, ex-Army, could look after himself. He used to find it easy to make friends. 'I had the normal life,' he says. He was raped in 1989 in Kensington by a stranger with a knife. He cries as he talks, as he relives his trauma. He apologises. He holds his hands to his face. He continues. 'I want to tell you what it's like,' he says."


We're all aware that men can be raped by other men, just so you know.


Yes, I am just making people aware that rape or murder are gender blind so we must be aware that misogyny or discrimination against a certain age group, sex or type may or may not play a role in the mind of the perpetrator.



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27 Aug 2014, 9:24 pm

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Yes, I am just making people aware that rape or murder are gender blind so we must be aware that misogyny or discrimination against a certain age group, sex or type may or may not play a role in the mind of the perpetrator.


Yes, and I'm just trying to let you know that we're aware of that. I was under the impression that the topic of the thread was why it's best (or not best for some apparently) to ask before touching someone you don't already have some sort of understanding with.


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27 Aug 2014, 9:25 pm

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implying that sexual assault survivors are embittered "damaged goods" is not at all a misogynistic cliché. :roll:

just admit you stepped in it talking about something you don't really understand.

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Oh yeah, because nothing that I've witnessed with my ex girlfriend and certain other women never happened. They were are just a fabrication of my own mind. Thank you, thank you so much for drawing me to this conclusion Doctor Artist. I have seen the error of my ways. It's all so clear to me now. There are no bitter women that exist. It all makes so much sense now. Women who hate men don't exist. I'm so happy I can finally see clearly. I can see clearly now the rain is gone, I can see all obstacles in my way.


it's taking your experience with a couple of women and applying it to all other women who've experienced sexual assault (but not me, because you made sure to explicitly mention me as a possible exception) that makes it misogynistic. the survivors you have known don't speak for me and they don't represent me or my experience, or the experience of many other survivors, because we are all individuals and have dealt with our experiences in our own individual ways. and trust me, if most of the women who have experienced sexual assault at the hands of men were hateful and bitter and angry about it, it wouldn't be safe for men to leave their homes because those hateful b*****s would be EVERYWHERE. you would be amazed how many women out there are able to not carry a grudge against all men because of one or two turds they've known too personally. you would be f*****g amazed.

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27 Aug 2014, 9:31 pm

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What's that I see there yander? A white knight you say? Hmm his armor looks a bit rusted.



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27 Aug 2014, 9:31 pm

Nights_Like_These wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
Yes, I am just making people aware that rape or murder are gender blind so we must be aware that misogyny or discrimination against a certain age group, sex or type may or may not play a role in the mind of the perpetrator.


Yes, and I'm just trying to let you know that we're aware of that. I was under the impression that the topic of the thread was why it's best (or not best for some apparently) to ask before touching someone you don't already have some sort of understanding with.


I am aware of that but my point is that we need to promote everyone regardless of gender or sex to come forward about being violated or raped by another and that every case needs to be carefully reviewed also.



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27 Aug 2014, 9:34 pm

AlexanderDantes wrote:
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Yes, I am just making people aware that rape or murder are gender blind so we must be aware that misogyny or discrimination against a certain age group, sex or type may or may not play a role in the mind of the perpetrator.


Yes, and I'm just trying to let you know that we're aware of that. I was under the impression that the topic of the thread was why it's best (or not best for some apparently) to ask before touching someone you don't already have some sort of understanding with.


I am aware of that but my point is that we need to promote everyone regardless of gender or sex to come forward about being violated or raped by another and that every case needs to be carefully reviewed also.


I see, then perhaps you should create a thread about that...


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27 Aug 2014, 9:37 pm

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What's that I see there yander? A white knight you say? Hmm his armor looks a bit rusted.


lol A man isn't allowed to agree with people who identify as feminist without being called a white knight...so lame and unoriginal that is. If I had to choose between the title of "white knight" and "douche", I'd definitely go with the "white knight". Armour is f****ing cool, yo. :D


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27 Aug 2014, 9:41 pm

Nights_Like_These wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
What's that I see there yander? A white knight you say? Hmm his armor looks a bit rusted.


lol A man isn't allowed to agree with people who identify as feminist without being called a white knight...so lame and unoriginal that is. If I had to choose between the title of "white knight" and "douche", I'd definitely go with the "white knight". Armour is f****ing cool, yo. :D

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27 Aug 2014, 9:41 pm

well,guys here my rule stay away from drunk girls,don't have
sex with drunk girls,don't make out with drunk girls.
Stay away from bars,clubs,and parties.
problem solved.



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27 Aug 2014, 9:42 pm

CommanderKeen wrote:
Nights_Like_These wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
What's that I see there yander? A white knight you say? Hmm his armor looks a bit rusted.


lol A man isn't allowed to agree with people who identify as feminist without being called a white knight...so lame and unoriginal that is. If I had to choose between the title of "white knight" and "douche", I'd definitely go with the "white knight". Armour is f****ing cool, yo. :D

I'm the black sheep I'm the real black sheep, I'm the black sheep I'm the real black sheep.


did you forget to take your meds or something? you're losing coherence now....



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27 Aug 2014, 9:42 pm

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CommanderKeen wrote:
What's that I see there yander? A white knight you say? Hmm his armor looks a bit rusted.


lol A man isn't allowed to agree with people who identify as feminist without being called a white knight...so lame and unoriginal that is. If I had to choose between the title of "white knight" and "douche", I'd definitely go with the "white knight". Armour is f****ing cool, yo. :D

Thou is right. You have bested me sir noble knight. Best be on your way now , with all those castles to be explored.



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27 Aug 2014, 9:44 pm

CommanderKeen wrote:
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What's that I see there yander? A white knight you say? Hmm his armor looks a bit rusted.


lol A man isn't allowed to agree with people who identify as feminist without being called a white knight...so lame and unoriginal that is. If I had to choose between the title of "white knight" and "douche", I'd definitely go with the "white knight". Armour is f****ing cool, yo. :D

I'm the black sheep I'm the real black sheep, I'm the black sheep I'm the real black sheep.


Uh huh....if you say so. lol


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27 Aug 2014, 9:45 pm

starvingartist wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
Nights_Like_These wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
What's that I see there yander? A white knight you say? Hmm his armor looks a bit rusted.


lol A man isn't allowed to agree with people who identify as feminist without being called a white knight...so lame and unoriginal that is. If I had to choose between the title of "white knight" and "douche", I'd definitely go with the "white knight". Armour is f****ing cool, yo. :D

I'm the black sheep I'm the real black sheep, I'm the black sheep I'm the real black sheep.


did you forget to take your meds or something? you're losing coherence now....

You're right, I'm going to go cry since you said that. *goes and cries*



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27 Aug 2014, 9:50 pm

Nights_Like_These wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
Nights_Like_These wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
Yes, I am just making people aware that rape or murder are gender blind so we must be aware that misogyny or discrimination against a certain age group, sex or type may or may not play a role in the mind of the perpetrator.


Yes, and I'm just trying to let you know that we're aware of that. I was under the impression that the topic of the thread was why it's best (or not best for some apparently) to ask before touching someone you don't already have some sort of understanding with.


I am aware of that but my point is that we need to promote everyone regardless of gender or sex to come forward about being violated or raped by another and that every case needs to be carefully reviewed also.


I see, then perhaps you should create a thread about that...


Rape isn't a pro feminist rally, there's no us and them, rape has occurred indiscriminately even before the Roman times, I am trying to steer this thread away from turning into a male versus female debate..