Friendzone
sly279 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
BaneBear wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
Maybe if you actually appreciated the friendship offered to you by women instead of romantic interest, you might just make some nice friends--and maybe those friends can introduce you to other women they know that might take an interest in you romantically. You will never know if you think women are unworthy of friendship. Also, women might be picking up on the fact that you have no interest in being friends with them and it's making you come off as creepy and that's why you're striking out with them. When guys are really bitter against women and blame women for their social difficulties they pick up on that as well, and tend to avoid guys like that. If your bitterness is obvious that could be repelling women, too.
Best friend is a woman, I am definitely bitter though. Something I wish to work on is just that because it really isn't being bitter towards them but pain from the past and insecurities I developed from those times.
I like to try positive sometimes like thinking "Hm maybe being friends could be nice, and who knows they might introduce me to someone." However my friends (who are women) can introduce me to no one, can't help me at all, and thus I am forced to fail at this on my own.
And why can't your friends who are women introduce you to anyone or help you at all? Have you even asked them ever?
For me, female friends like women here said I was so great but when asked if they'd help introduce me, they always tell me I'm not good enough for their friends or them.
If they talk to you like that, they are NOT your friends. I would not bother associating with them anymore. I don't even know these people, but by that statement alone, I hate them. I hate them, because I hate people like that.
sly279 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
BaneBear wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
Maybe if you actually appreciated the friendship offered to you by women instead of romantic interest, you might just make some nice friends--and maybe those friends can introduce you to other women they know that might take an interest in you romantically. You will never know if you think women are unworthy of friendship. Also, women might be picking up on the fact that you have no interest in being friends with them and it's making you come off as creepy and that's why you're striking out with them. When guys are really bitter against women and blame women for their social difficulties they pick up on that as well, and tend to avoid guys like that. If your bitterness is obvious that could be repelling women, too.
Best friend is a woman, I am definitely bitter though. Something I wish to work on is just that because it really isn't being bitter towards them but pain from the past and insecurities I developed from those times.
I like to try positive sometimes like thinking "Hm maybe being friends could be nice, and who knows they might introduce me to someone." However my friends (who are women) can introduce me to no one, can't help me at all, and thus I am forced to fail at this on my own.
And why can't your friends who are women introduce you to anyone or help you at all? Have you even asked them ever?
For me, female friends like women here said I was so great but when asked if they'd help introduce me, they always tell me I'm not good enough for their friends or them.
If they talk to you like that, they are NOT your friends. I would not bother associating with them anymore. I don't even know these people, but by that statement alone, I hate them. I hate them, because I hate people like that.
Hopper wrote:
Oh, I know it's not a law. I don't even know if it bears out in reality - I haven't spent much time in the dating scenario, but I've certainly had women approach me, as I have them. I think I approached slightly more. It's just a common assertion. 'Guys have to do all the work' and all that.
So I was drawing out the reasoning. IF men have to be the ones to approach, THEN women have to wait to be approached. Contrary to a lot of expectations here, simply being a woman doesn't mean men automatically approach you, let alone a man you'd be interested in.
So I was drawing out the reasoning. IF men have to be the ones to approach, THEN women have to wait to be approached. Contrary to a lot of expectations here, simply being a woman doesn't mean men automatically approach you, let alone a man you'd be interested in.
Perhaps it gives you a better chance of being approached tho.
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Hmmm... yes, I guess. And if you are only in a position where you are waiting to be approached, making others approach doesn't depend on you. Luckily we seem to be moving to a situation where men and women can approach each other and express their interest.
Yeah that is good.
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That said, there are general things one can do to be more approachable.
That's true too.
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I think who has it worst is a stupid pissing contest. What on earth will that do to sort the matter at hand out?
What I am against is the notion that women have it easy. Dating and relationships are hard anyway, more so for Aspies. There's a stinker of an attitude around here that runs 'not only do I have a problem, but it is the worst problem ever and all other problems aren't really problems'.
What I am against is the notion that women have it easy. Dating and relationships are hard anyway, more so for Aspies. There's a stinker of an attitude around here that runs 'not only do I have a problem, but it is the worst problem ever and all other problems aren't really problems'.
Well you sounded to me like you were saying guys have it easier, that's why I asked. I think dating is so hard just for a little % of the population, normally guys don't have a difficulty at it.
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So when the OP comes up with arse-gravy like:
- I mean, just f**k off with that, you know?
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I hate how difficult it is for people like me yet women basically have one giant silver platter of guys they are able to simple "pick" from whichever they want, like they have to do basically nothing while I have to become superman.
- I mean, just f**k off with that, you know?
Maybe he gets that idea from dating sites, Idk. These places are horrible in my view.
Peacesells wrote:
BaneBear wrote:
Is that supposed to make me feel better then? That I am in a small % of guys?
Like not only am I burdened with aspergers disorder but I am different from other aspies in the dating scene?
Like not only am I burdened with aspergers disorder but I am different from other aspies in the dating scene?
Excuse me? I was discussing with Hopper, I was not talking to you.
Ah ok, well you are on my post in a public forum. If you don't want people to reply to you on something don't talk in public right?
BaneBear wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
BaneBear wrote:
Is that supposed to make me feel better then? That I am in a small % of guys?
Like not only am I burdened with aspergers disorder but I am different from other aspies in the dating scene?
Like not only am I burdened with aspergers disorder but I am different from other aspies in the dating scene?
Excuse me? I was discussing with Hopper, I was not talking to you.
Ah ok, well you are on my post in a public forum. If you don't want people to reply to you on something don't talk in public right?
I didn't say that I don't want you to reply, I just said that I was not talking to you. You reacted as if my comment were addressed at you.
Peacesells wrote:
BaneBear wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
BaneBear wrote:
Is that supposed to make me feel better then? That I am in a small % of guys?
Like not only am I burdened with aspergers disorder but I am different from other aspies in the dating scene?
Like not only am I burdened with aspergers disorder but I am different from other aspies in the dating scene?
Excuse me? I was discussing with Hopper, I was not talking to you.
Ah ok, well you are on my post in a public forum. If you don't want people to reply to you on something don't talk in public right?
I didn't say that I don't want you to reply, I just said that I was not talking to you. You reacted as if my comment were addressed at you.
Ah my apologies then, there are enough replies on here that I can't really keep track of whos talking to who anymore.
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CommanderKeen wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
BaneBear wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
Maybe if you actually appreciated the friendship offered to you by women instead of romantic interest, you might just make some nice friends--and maybe those friends can introduce you to other women they know that might take an interest in you romantically. You will never know if you think women are unworthy of friendship. Also, women might be picking up on the fact that you have no interest in being friends with them and it's making you come off as creepy and that's why you're striking out with them. When guys are really bitter against women and blame women for their social difficulties they pick up on that as well, and tend to avoid guys like that. If your bitterness is obvious that could be repelling women, too.
Best friend is a woman, I am definitely bitter though. Something I wish to work on is just that because it really isn't being bitter towards them but pain from the past and insecurities I developed from those times.
I like to try positive sometimes like thinking "Hm maybe being friends could be nice, and who knows they might introduce me to someone." However my friends (who are women) can introduce me to no one, can't help me at all, and thus I am forced to fail at this on my own.
And why can't your friends who are women introduce you to anyone or help you at all? Have you even asked them ever?
For me, female friends like women here said I was so great but when asked if they'd help introduce me, they always tell me I'm not good enough for their friends or them.
If they talk to you like that, they are NOT your friends. I would not bother associating with them anymore. I don't even know these people, but by that statement alone, I hate them. I hate them, because I hate people like that.
I'd agree with that...doesn't sound like something friends would say.
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Peacesells wrote:
Perhaps it gives you a better chance of being approached tho.
In fact, the concern you hear most often from them is not that they don't get approached enough, but that they're approached too much. Often, they intentionally avoid looking approachable to keep unworthy suitors away.
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Peacesells wrote:
BaneBear wrote:
Is that supposed to make me feel better then? That I am in a small % of guys?
Like not only am I burdened with aspergers disorder but I am different from other aspies in the dating scene?
Excuse me? I was discussing with Hopper, I was not talking to you.Like not only am I burdened with aspergers disorder but I am different from other aspies in the dating scene?
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot this is the pick on BaneBear thread. Geez, I thought this was supposed to be a support forum but I guess I was wrong.
You've told BaneBear that dating problems are only experienced by the bottom few percent of guys (not true) and Hopper was kind enough to say his problems are "arse-gravy" and then tell him to "f**k off".
What wonderful support you guys are giving to BaneBear /sarcasm
All this after he apologized even though he hadn't actually said anything wrong.
Why was BaneBear apologizing? He he wants a long-term relationship with one of more of his female friends. Then everyone accuses him of "only wanting sex"
Think about that, BaneBear wants a long-term relationship, and some of you guys assume he wants a one night stand, assume he wants sex and nothing else. I think that says a lot more about you than it does about him. BaneBear wants a lasting, comprehensive relationship but all you guys can think about is sex.
BaneBear didn't mention sex in his opening post but some people turn everything into a "sex" conversation and then wonder why everyone else is talking about sex when they're the ones who brought it up.
And if a guy does feel sexually attracted to a woman, does that mean that he's being "entitled" because he would like to get in bed with her? It's sort of like you equated the desire for sex, with taking it by force.
That's like if I said I wish I was rich so you say I'm "entitled" to money. Since when did it become a sin for a guy to feel attracted to a girl?
I find it ironic that the guy who gets treated like an oversexed sex-fiend is the guy who's not getting any. Maybe you guys think BaneBear is an easy target for your pent up rage but that's not what this forum is for.
You might say that BaneBear should have done this or that with his female friend to get out of the friendzone. Maybe you're right but remember that BaneBear doesn't have really good dating skills or he wouldn't have made this thread.
So instead of tell him he should have known to do this or that, like it was really obvious, you could rephrase it as useful advice e.g. "Next time you should take her out to dinner". Something like that.
It's better to offer constructive advice rather than chastise him for not already knowing how to be a Casanova.
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Peacesells wrote:
Hopper wrote:
Oh, I know it's not a law. I don't even know if it bears out in reality - I haven't spent much time in the dating scenario, but I've certainly had women approach me, as I have them. I think I approached slightly more. It's just a common assertion. 'Guys have to do all the work' and all that.
So I was drawing out the reasoning. IF men have to be the ones to approach, THEN women have to wait to be approached. Contrary to a lot of expectations here, simply being a woman doesn't mean men automatically approach you, let alone a man you'd be interested in.
So I was drawing out the reasoning. IF men have to be the ones to approach, THEN women have to wait to be approached. Contrary to a lot of expectations here, simply being a woman doesn't mean men automatically approach you, let alone a man you'd be interested in.
Perhaps it gives you a better chance of being approached tho.
Better than what? Being male? Well, given there's probably still a cultural/social hangover of 'men ask, women are asked', where each gender's worth is tied up with, respectively, getting her to say yes or getting him to ask, that would be kind of what we'd expect.
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I think who has it worst is a stupid pissing contest. What on earth will that do to sort the matter at hand out? What I am against is the notion that women have it easy. Dating and relationships are hard anyway, more so for Aspies. There's a stinker of an attitude around here that runs 'not only do I have a problem, but it is the worst problem ever and all other problems aren't really problems'.
Well you sounded to me like you were saying guys have it easier, that's why I asked. I think dating is so hard just for a little % of the population, normally guys don't have a difficulty at it.
Would it be a bad thing if I said guys have it easier? That's interesting. But again, I'm against that sort of thinking. It only serves to inculcate a bitterness.
Some have a difficulty, some don't. I prefer to concentrate on the practical, particular matters at hand. There's a place for pissing and moaning, to be sure, but if you want to solve a problem keep a clear head and open mind, and consider different views and answers.
I'm an armchair amateur psychologist and all, but frankly, I see a few men on here whose identity and worldview is built around their martyrdom over not getting a girlfriend, of having it worse than anyone else. Such that, if a woman did show an interest in them tomorrow, it wouldn't actually help unless they got some sort of therapy too.
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Maybe he gets that idea from dating sites, Idk. These places are horrible in my view.
I have never approached, or been approached, 'cold'. I've met women through small ads in a music magazine, phone dating voice ads, and internet dating. I found internet dating to be pretty good - certainly it suited my approach and wants.
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Sweetleaf wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
BaneBear wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
Maybe if you actually appreciated the friendship offered to you by women instead of romantic interest, you might just make some nice friends--and maybe those friends can introduce you to other women they know that might take an interest in you romantically. You will never know if you think women are unworthy of friendship. Also, women might be picking up on the fact that you have no interest in being friends with them and it's making you come off as creepy and that's why you're striking out with them. When guys are really bitter against women and blame women for their social difficulties they pick up on that as well, and tend to avoid guys like that. If your bitterness is obvious that could be repelling women, too.
Best friend is a woman, I am definitely bitter though. Something I wish to work on is just that because it really isn't being bitter towards them but pain from the past and insecurities I developed from those times.
I like to try positive sometimes like thinking "Hm maybe being friends could be nice, and who knows they might introduce me to someone." However my friends (who are women) can introduce me to no one, can't help me at all, and thus I am forced to fail at this on my own.
And why can't your friends who are women introduce you to anyone or help you at all? Have you even asked them ever?
For me, female friends like women here said I was so great but when asked if they'd help introduce me, they always tell me I'm not good enough for their friends or them.
If they talk to you like that, they are NOT your friends. I would not bother associating with them anymore. I don't even know these people, but by that statement alone, I hate them. I hate them, because I hate people like that.
I'd agree with that...doesn't sound like something friends would say.
Why not? I think true friends should, above all, be honest to each other. If your male friend falls laughably short of your and your female friends' standards for being romantic-relationship material, why not tell him, saving all of you a lot of time and drama?
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Sweetleaf wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
BaneBear wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
Maybe if you actually appreciated the friendship offered to you by women instead of romantic interest, you might just make some nice friends--and maybe those friends can introduce you to other women they know that might take an interest in you romantically. You will never know if you think women are unworthy of friendship. Also, women might be picking up on the fact that you have no interest in being friends with them and it's making you come off as creepy and that's why you're striking out with them. When guys are really bitter against women and blame women for their social difficulties they pick up on that as well, and tend to avoid guys like that. If your bitterness is obvious that could be repelling women, too.
Best friend is a woman, I am definitely bitter though. Something I wish to work on is just that because it really isn't being bitter towards them but pain from the past and insecurities I developed from those times.
I like to try positive sometimes like thinking "Hm maybe being friends could be nice, and who knows they might introduce me to someone." However my friends (who are women) can introduce me to no one, can't help me at all, and thus I am forced to fail at this on my own.
And why can't your friends who are women introduce you to anyone or help you at all? Have you even asked them ever?
For me, female friends like women here said I was so great but when asked if they'd help introduce me, they always tell me I'm not good enough for their friends or them.
If they talk to you like that, they are NOT your friends. I would not bother associating with them anymore. I don't even know these people, but by that statement alone, I hate them. I hate them, because I hate people like that.
I'd agree with that...doesn't sound like something friends would say.
Well they all eventually got bored with me anyways. I'm not very useful as I don't have w lot of money to give to people.
Standard your not good enough for me, but there's someone for you, but your also not good enough for anyone I know.
I don't have many friends anymore and guy friends don't know single women.
I wish I did have female friends who'd try though, probably only way I'd ever find love
Spiderpig wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
Perhaps it gives you a better chance of being approached tho.
In fact, the concern you hear most often from them is not that they don't get approached enough, but that they're approached too much. Often, they intentionally avoid looking approachable to keep unworthy suitors away.
For attractive women this is certainly true. Many women complain that they are "creep magnets" but also whine about how men should "grow a pair" and ask them out. What it boils down to is they want they guys THEY like to approach them and guys they deem unattractive to stay away.
But weren't you saying in another thread that people need not play hard to get when they actually *are*? Well this is a good contexample. Women play hard to get because they believe it will make unattractive guys be too intimidated to approach them.
AR15000 wrote:
Spiderpig wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
Perhaps it gives you a better chance of being approached tho.
In fact, the concern you hear most often from them is not that they don't get approached enough, but that they're approached too much. Often, they intentionally avoid looking approachable to keep unworthy suitors away.
For attractive women this is certainly true. Many women complain that they are "creep magnets" but also whine about how men should "grow a pair" and ask them out. What it boils down to is they want they guys THEY like to approach them and guys they deem unattractive to stay away.
Mein Gott! It's almost as thought people have.... preferences! And to think here's us sucker fool men, always going after the women we find unattractive. They've played us for chumps, I tells ya. Chumps!
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But weren't you saying in another thread that people need not play hard to get when they actually *are*? Well this is a good contexample. Women play hard to get because they believe it will make unattractive guys be too intimidated to approach them.
Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?
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You know sometimes, between the dames and the horses, I don't even know why I put my hat on.