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Ecomatt91
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05 Jun 2016, 6:00 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There is such thing as "love as first sight."


How so? I doubt I get that moment because it requires a lot of body language and other nonverbal communication. I am blind to that.



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05 Jun 2016, 6:03 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
There is such thing as "love as first sight."


How so? I doubt I get that moment because it requires a lot of body language and other nonverbal communication. I am blind to that.


I don't believe in love at first sight, but I do think that upon meeting each other two people can think, yes this person is attractive.

Years later they look back and call it love at first sight, but it wasn't love, it was just the first day when the seedling was planted.



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05 Jun 2016, 7:47 pm

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That article is extremely biased and nullified. Did you check the citations? its a gossip mainstream influenced article that put a mainstream into reality. Like even this article say say virgins after 25 years old are abnormal people. This put a red flag on reading articles like this.

To be honest, I believe your life is about short term relationships, or even meaningless. I am not trying to throw bags at you, but it is really extremely rare to meet people like you who don't believe friends should go first. A simple form of human communication they all made friends from first point of interaction.

Hurtloam's life is generalised. She also claimed that she never met anyone who never made friends had a long term relationship.


Wait, I didn't say never. I have 2 friends (well 4 if you count their partners) who pretty much went straight into dating on the second meet up because they liked each other so much, but they were introduced by mutual friends, so it's not unheard of to not be friends first.

But usually my friends who are couples, they hang about in a group of friends and slowly realised over time there was something mutual and more than friendship there.


I honestly wish it could be more possible to have a successful and long happy relationship with someone I barely know/talked to for 5-10mins the got their number, but alas I rarely see positive examples of this.

Even though my parents met this way at a shopping centre, my Dad was an abusive alcoholic so you can't say it was a happy relationship.

In my experiences many people I know too got their happy and successful relationship from long-time friends, but I disagree with the way you describe it.

People may be mutually attracted to each other on first meeting, or, even then, not, as some women say they may not have originally been attracted physically to a male friend but fell in love over time once they discovered his personality.

But, it's that two people go into a friendship knowing it is friendship. They consider it strictly platonic and keep it so because, even if the male might be secretly physically attracted to her, they both don't have any sort of romantic feelings or intentions for each other.

Then, overtime, one, or both, may or may not possibly fall for the other person, and the other person may or may not possibly fall back.

It seems, according to my experiences, all of my friends, many male acquaintances I knew in high school, and many personal anecdotes I see on dating forums or the dating sub-sections of the website reddit, the males are overwhelmingly more likely to fall for their long-time female friend, than a female friend is likely to fall for him.

The truth is we are very visual and within seconds of meeting a girl we can instantly tell if we'd either like to go to bed with her, pursue her for a relationship, and/or just be friends. Often it's 2 out of 3 (friends and secretly physically attracted)

This isn't guaranteed of course, just that it appears more likely. And varous studies have supported the potential evidence men fall in love harder and faster and that they are the first to say 'I love you' in a relationship.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cl ... n-or-women

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...research suggests that the male attitude toward love is actually more romantic.

Romanticism, as defined by social psychologists, is an outlook on relationships that love should be the most important criterion in choosing a mate.1 People with a highly romantic view of love believe that their love will be perfect and that each of us has one true love.2

...let’s start with how men and women score on the most well-known measure of romanticism, the Romantic Beliefs Scale.2 This questionnaire asks people to rate the extent to which they agree with statements like, “There will only be one real love for me," “If I love someone, I know I can make the relationship work, despite any obstacles," and, "The person I love will make a perfect romantic partner; he/she will be completely accepting, loving, and understanding.”

The researchers who developed the scale have found that, on average, men outscore women.


http://elitedaily.com/dating/men-likely ... en/965285/

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According to Marissa Harrison, a psychologist from Pennsylvania State University, women are much more cautious when it comes to love and men have a tendency to fall in — hard and fast.

In a study published in the Journal of Social Psychology, Harrison asked 172 college students if they'd ever been in love.

If participants answered yes, she asked how long it took them to say “I love you.” Not surprisingly, men were prone to say it much faster than women, declaring their love after just a few weeks compared to women, who took a few months.


http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/ne ... udy-shows/

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A new study brought to you by Häagen-Dazs ice cream and The School of Life polled 2,000 adults and found that men fall in love far more often than women do, with more than half of men saying they've loved more than one person in their lifetime and only 45 percent of women saying the same


https://www.chemistry.com/datingadvice/LoveExplained

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Q: Is there such a thing as love at first sight?
Dr. Fisher: Yes. It probably happens to men more than women because men are more visual, but I think we can all remember times when we felt an instant attraction to someone we barely knew. It has a practical purpose: In the animal kingdom you can’t spend three months discussing your résumé; you need to feel instant sparks to start the breeding process.


http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a57 ... tionships/

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The researchers behind a new survey from Match.com seem to think that might be the case. Men apparently fall in love more quickly than women: 54 percent of guys say they've felt love at first sight, for instance, compared to 44 percent of women. Guys are also less interested in having time to themselves, away from their significant other: 77 percent of women say having personal space is "very important," compared to just 58 percent of men, and only 23 percent of guys think it's crucial to have regular nights out with their pals, as opposed to 35 percent of the ladies.



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05 Jun 2016, 10:11 pm

Ecomatt91 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
There is such thing as "love as first sight."
How so? I doubt I get that moment because it requires a lot of body language and other nonverbal communication. I am blind to that.
I think it's more like lust at first sight.


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05 Jun 2016, 11:32 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Ecomatt91 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
There is such thing as "love as first sight."
How so? I doubt I get that moment because it requires a lot of body language and other nonverbal communication. I am blind to that.
I think it's more like lust at first sight.


Yea I can tell because at first sight you only see the physical appearances of the person rather than knowing the personalities, values and that.



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06 Jun 2016, 2:26 am

hurtloam wrote:
Ecomatt91 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
There is such thing as "love as first sight."


How so? I doubt I get that moment because it requires a lot of body language and other nonverbal communication. I am blind to that.


I don't believe in love at first sight, but I do think that upon meeting each other two people can think, yes this person is attractive.

Years later they look back and call it love at first sight, but it wasn't love, it was just the first day when the seedling was planted.


I don't "believe" in it, I know it exists. I got a crush on a girl in just half-an-hour, and it lasted for two years. During those two years, we didn't have a conversation, and I didn't even know her name. So it cannot have been when a seed was planted, rather it was when I fell in love with her for real.

Just like Outrider correctly points out from research, it takes longer for women to fall in love, so it took maybe half a year before it got mutual.

Also, I was triggered by her, so it wasn't about physical appearance.



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06 Jun 2016, 2:34 am

Ecomatt91 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Ecomatt91 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
There is such thing as "love as first sight."
How so? I doubt I get that moment because it requires a lot of body language and other nonverbal communication. I am blind to that.
I think it's more like lust at first sight.


Yea I can tell because at first sight you only see the physical appearances of the person rather than knowing the personalities, values and that.


How can you tell if you haven't experienced it?

There are other things that can happen at first sight other than physical appearance and lust. It's kind of silly not to be able to think beyond physical / sexual attraction. Besides, I'm asexual, so I never fall in love based on sexual attraction.



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06 Jun 2016, 2:39 am

Ecomatt91 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
There is such thing as "love as first sight."


How so? I doubt I get that moment because it requires a lot of body language and other nonverbal communication. I am blind to that.


You are just completely brain-washed by psychiatry. :roll:



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06 Jun 2016, 6:06 pm

rdos wrote:
Ecomatt91 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
There is such thing as "love as first sight."


How so? I doubt I get that moment because it requires a lot of body language and other nonverbal communication. I am blind to that.


You are just completely brain-washed by psychiatry. :roll:


Are you saying psychologists brain washed me? Well I spent 7 years of counseling and seeing psychologists. Nothing helped to improve my life situation especially with women. So I guess I agreed with you that I have been brain washed.

FYI: I have learnt so much social and communication skills from my friends way more than my counselors that I had.



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06 Jun 2016, 6:15 pm

Ecomatt91 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Ecomatt91 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
There is such thing as "love as first sight."
How so? I doubt I get that moment because it requires a lot of body language and other nonverbal communication. I am blind to that.
I think it's more like lust at first sight.


Yea I can tell because at first sight you only see the physical appearances of the person rather than knowing the personalities, values and that.


I fell in love with my boyfriend as soon as I laid eyes on him.

Although we had been chatting online before so I already knew his personality. Once I realised I was physically attracted to him aswell as his personality it clicked into place. Now 2 years later we are going strong a d enjoying each others weirdness hehehe.

So I both disagree and support your suggestion



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07 Jun 2016, 3:32 am

Alliekit wrote:
Ecomatt91 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Ecomatt91 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
There is such thing as "love as first sight."
How so? I doubt I get that moment because it requires a lot of body language and other nonverbal communication. I am blind to that.
I think it's more like lust at first sight.


Yea I can tell because at first sight you only see the physical appearances of the person rather than knowing the personalities, values and that.


I fell in love with my boyfriend as soon as I laid eyes on him.

Although we had been chatting online before so I already knew his personality. Once I realised I was physically attracted to him aswell as his personality it clicked into place. Now 2 years later we are going strong a d enjoying each others weirdness hehehe.

So I both disagree and support your suggestion


I agree. That it is "love at first sight" doesn't necessarily mean that you have never seen somebody before, only that you have not been friends or acquaintances IRL.



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07 Jun 2016, 3:53 am

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Are you saying psychologists brain washed me? Well I spent 7 years of counseling and seeing psychologists. Nothing helped to improve my life situation especially with women. So I guess I agreed with you that I have been brain washed.


I suspected something like that. You need to unlearn everything they tried to teach you.

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FYI: I have learnt so much social and communication skills from my friends way more than my counselors that I had.


Of course, that's the normal way to learn social skills.

A couple of points:

1. Most autistics learn how to interpret NT nonverbal communication. We have clear evidence for this in a research study using the RMET (Reading the Minds in the Eyes Test), where the differences between NDs and NTs are mostly about negativity, not performance. Thus, you need to forget about the claim that "autistics cannot learn nonverbal signals".

2. It is essential to be able to read NT nonverbal communication before learning social rules, as most social rules should be interpreted based on nonverbal communication feedback. If you don't use this method, you will end up with a huge list of rational rules that is inflexible and useless.

3. It typically won't help you much in the relationship area to be able to cope with NTs, as the romantic nonverbal communication of NTs is special and hard to observe. Also, while you can pass as normal for NTs in superficial contexts pretty easily, it's much harder to pass in the romantic context.

4. You already have experience with NDs, so you should use this to create a good radar for NDs. For most NDs, it's not a good idea to search for low-functioning autistics, but this group is great for developing a radar for identifying NDs in society at large. I know, because I've met low-functioning autistics, and they are natural even when pressured to "behave".

5. Even if you will eventually want to prefer NTs, if you also have a functional ND-radar, you will be able to find and try-out high-functioning NDs as well, and those probably are the best matches for you.



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07 Jun 2016, 6:08 am

Eco, you do know that Sangsang is Katy, do you?


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