there is not someone for everyone

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09 Feb 2017, 1:54 pm

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For God's sake Androbot. A few individual experiences do not define the world around you.

My view is not only based on my own experience, but also on observation. Love is a human creation which describes infatuation, empathy, sympathy, concern and lots of other things. But the idea of love as a lifelong bond is just not workable. It is a myth used to lure people into marriage which was a foundation of our society.


Love is a chemical addiction and is essentially a form of obsession. Your brain rewards you when you are around someone you love and when you have an orgasm with someone you love. If you no longer like someone, your brain will no longer reward you for being around them.


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09 Feb 2017, 2:00 pm

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Now I want you to imagine someone close to you or was close to you in pain or gone. If what you feel is pain than tell me how do you not have love or empathy?

I feel compassion for any creature in pain, doesn't equal love though. And when someone is gone, they are gone.



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09 Feb 2017, 2:11 pm

I am also now in the androbot's Love-nonbelieving cult now.

Btw, the old man was not referring to romantic love only; he was also referring to friendships too.



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09 Feb 2017, 2:24 pm

I believe that those whom are lonely can fall into a fixed mindset whereby they expect to FIND someone. I have only had one partner and our relationship began at a time when I was not looking for a partner. It's a sickening cliche but I honestly believe it's best to be yourself, regardless of what ails you.


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09 Feb 2017, 2:51 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I am also now in the androbot's Love-nonbelieving cult now.

Btw, the old man was not referring to romantic love only; he was also referring to friendships too.


What I described was romantic Love, but it's still chemicals if its friendship and family otherwise we wouldn't have an affinity for anything. Why do we instantly have an unbreakable bond the first time we see our young or siblings and that bond strengthen when they make otherwise silly noises and struggle when gaining coordination? To be a psychopath and similar antisocial behavior is to have an imbalanced brain chemistry. They are essentially an addict associated with a different reward system. If you love family and friends, I assure you Boo, you can too love romantically. It's just some extra chemicals, but first you need to like them enough so your brain rewards you.


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09 Feb 2017, 3:07 pm

androbot01 wrote:
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Now I want you to imagine someone close to you or was close to you in pain or gone. If what you feel is pain than tell me how do you not have love or empathy?

I feel compassion for any creature in pain, doesn't equal love though. And when someone is gone, they are gone.
Explain why it is different. If you can feel for someone, genuinely care for them, and feel upset when they are in pain how is that not love?

Explain.



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09 Feb 2017, 3:13 pm

It might be "chemicals"---but love isn't less painful, nor less sublime, than love when it is considered a more aethereal thing.



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09 Feb 2017, 4:00 pm

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It might be "chemicals"---but love isn't less painful, nor less sublime, than love when it is considered a more aethereal thing.


I was not attempting to make it any less than. Love makes all emotions stronger no matter if it's romantic, family or friends. Love is a chemical bond. Mentioning the chemical nature of feelings is my way of saying it's real here is the proof, everyone can love and be loved, it's chemistry =) I had to look up aethereal, thanks kraftiekortie.


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09 Feb 2017, 5:16 pm

It seems to be a very self-serving feeling.

Why do we love someone? They have something we want. Attention, affection, status, sense of normalcy (by following a behaviour we are told we should do or we are abnormal), whatever else people want.

The pain from losing love is related to ego. We lose some of our self-worth by feeling rejected. Or something that was part of our daily routine is gone. It leaves a feeling of emptiness because something that was previously there is now gone.



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09 Feb 2017, 5:22 pm

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Explain why it is different. If you can feel for someone, genuinely care for them, and feel upset when they are in pain how is that not love?

Explain.


If you feel upset that they are in pain, isn't that due to being able to imagine that kind of pain for yourself? Or because we are taught that we should comfort someone who is suffering? Humans are not born caring about others, it is taught. We care about others in order to gain that same sort of caring back.



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09 Feb 2017, 6:17 pm

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It seems to be a very self-serving feeling. Why do we love someone? They have something we want. Attention, affection, status, sense of normalcy (by following a behaviour we are told we should do or we are abnormal), whatever else people want. The pain from losing love is related to ego. We lose some of our self-worth by feeling rejected. Or something that was part of our daily routine is gone. It leaves a feeling of emptiness because something that was previously there is now gone.

QFT succinct truth :star:



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09 Feb 2017, 6:34 pm

I get you, Mr. Blackicmenace.

I believe in altruism, even if it's "selfish," a product of a person's self-interest.



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09 Feb 2017, 6:45 pm

IMHO altruism is like the flower that springs up in the pile of manure. it is the positive force that fights up against and through the negative force of worldly gravity.



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10 Feb 2017, 1:04 pm

HouseOfMadpeak wrote:
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Explain why it is different. If you can feel for someone, genuinely care for them, and feel upset when they are in pain how is that not love?

Explain.


If you feel upset that they are in pain, isn't that due to being able to imagine that kind of pain for yourself? Or because we are taught that we should comfort someone who is suffering? Humans are not born caring about others, it is taught. We care about others in order to gain that same sort of caring back.
Its not just that though. Notice any reaction to a loved one being in immense pain and you will see that they aren't just playing a game. They feel a level of pain themselves, I personally can't stand the thought of people being close to me in pain or crying. It is upsetting.



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10 Feb 2017, 1:25 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
HouseOfMadpeak wrote:
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Explain why it is different. If you can feel for someone, genuinely care for them, and feel upset when they are in pain how is that not love?

Explain.


If you feel upset that they are in pain, isn't that due to being able to imagine that kind of pain for yourself? Or because we are taught that we should comfort someone who is suffering? Humans are not born caring about others, it is taught. We care about others in order to gain that same sort of caring back.
Its not just that though. Notice any reaction to a loved one being in immense pain and you will see that they aren't just playing a game. They feel a level of pain themselves, I personally can't stand the thought of people being close to me in pain or crying. It is upsetting.


also it's not something you can teach. Even children understand that pain is bad. That pit in your stomach when you see the pepole you care about the most sad cannot be faked.

I can feel bad for a stranger who is upset. But when its someone I love I feel it in my very core.



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10 Feb 2017, 4:31 pm

I believe that sometimes our circumstances may not be conducive for finding a significant other. Many people over the years have not been able to find love due to factors that hinder ones opportunities to find love. In that sense there isn't someone for everyone. Not every situation provides the opportunity for one to find someone to love, but that does mean that not everyone is capable or worthy of love.

All my life I've felt I am unworthy of being loved, and that no person could ever love me. But my perspective has changed. I haven't found love due to the restrictions of my circumstances and not due to me being unworthy of someones affection.

Whether I'll get the opportunity to be loved, time only knows, but if it doesn't happen, I am okay with it.