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25 Jul 2017, 1:56 pm

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Oh I see. If you don't actually know the people we are discussing how can you form an accurate opinion about them? That's what I'm saying. It can only be guess work.

I'll doubt anyone has ever done a proper study of women like this. Therefore, all we have at the moment is what they say about what they've experienced. It shouldn't be disregarded.

You're completely missing the point, so I'll try and be concise. Your argument that the OP is wrong because you know women who are single is meaningless, it's a fallacious argument that holds no water.


My goodness you're being obtuse. The OP reads: "you can be not the best looking woman in the world and still get plenty of dates and male attention". This is not true. I know plenty of single women who have no one interested in them. I don't know how to phrase that more clearly. No. male. attention. At. All.



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25 Jul 2017, 2:24 pm

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Oh I see. If you don't actually know the people we are discussing how can you form an accurate opinion about them? That's what I'm saying. It can only be guess work.

I'll doubt anyone has ever done a proper study of women like this. Therefore, all we have at the moment is what they say about what they've experienced. It shouldn't be disregarded.

You're completely missing the point, so I'll try and be concise. Your argument that the OP is wrong because you know women who are single is meaningless, it's a fallacious argument that holds no water.


My goodness you're being obtuse. The OP reads: "you can be not the best looking woman in the world and still get plenty of dates and male attention". This is not true. I know plenty of single women who have no one interested in them. I don't know how to phrase that more clearly. No. male. attention. At. All.

It's what's called a proof by example fallacy. Google it.



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25 Jul 2017, 2:26 pm

I believe that in this case, due to the extraordinary claim, OP has the burden of proof.


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25 Jul 2017, 2:40 pm

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Oh I see. If you don't actually know the people we are discussing how can you form an accurate opinion about them? That's what I'm saying. It can only be guess work.

I'll doubt anyone has ever done a proper study of women like this. Therefore, all we have at the moment is what they say about what they've experienced. It shouldn't be disregarded.

You're completely missing the point, so I'll try and be concise. Your argument that the OP is wrong because you know women who are single is meaningless, it's a fallacious argument that holds no water.


My goodness you're being obtuse. The OP reads: "you can be not the best looking woman in the world and still get plenty of dates and male attention". This is not true. I know plenty of single women who have no one interested in them. I don't know how to phrase that more clearly. No. male. attention. At. All.

It's what's called a proof by example fallacy. Google it.


But if you say all women have purple feet and I say, but I know women who don't have purple feet. Is that a fallacy? I know women who don't have purple feet.



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25 Jul 2017, 2:41 pm

Let's assume for the sake of argument that you're correct. Who cares? Whichever gender has it easier is meaningless; you're still single. Trying to turn everything into a clash of genders just breeds resentment.



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25 Jul 2017, 2:46 pm

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Let's assume for the sake of argument that you're correct. Who cares? Whichever gender has it easier is meaningless; you're still single. Trying to turn everything into a clash of genders just breeds resentment.


I just feel like in real life my single female friends get ignored and swept under the rug like they're nothing. It just annoys me that we're treated like we're nothing and that we don't exist.

I want to shout WE DO EXIST AND WE HAVE FEELINGS.



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25 Jul 2017, 2:49 pm

Chichikov wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
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hurtloam wrote:
Oh I see. If you don't actually know the people we are discussing how can you form an accurate opinion about them? That's what I'm saying. It can only be guess work.

I'll doubt anyone has ever done a proper study of women like this. Therefore, all we have at the moment is what they say about what they've experienced. It shouldn't be disregarded.

You're completely missing the point, so I'll try and be concise. Your argument that the OP is wrong because you know women who are single is meaningless, it's a fallacious argument that holds no water.


My goodness you're being obtuse. The OP reads: "you can be not the best looking woman in the world and still get plenty of dates and male attention". This is not true. I know plenty of single women who have no one interested in them. I don't know how to phrase that more clearly. No. male. attention. At. All.

It's what's called a proof by example fallacy. Google it.


Isn't the basis of this entire thread 'proof by example fallacy'...as its based on some banter from the O.Ps friend?


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25 Jul 2017, 2:51 pm

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But if you say all women have purple feet and I say, but I know women who don't have purple feet. Is that a fallacy? I know women who don't have purple feet.

If I said "all women have purple feet" then evidence of a woman who didn't have purple feet would show my statement to be untrue.

Not that that has any relevance to this thread, so getting it back on topic the OP's statement RE women was;

"you can be not the best looking woman in the world and still get plenty of dates and male attention"

The fact that you know some single women does not make that statement false. I hope you can see why your purple feet analogy does not apply here.



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25 Jul 2017, 2:54 pm

Also I want the men here to know that not all women are after the 3 tropes.

Not to defend women, but to reassure them that they might find love. To help them take a step when they meet someone they vibe with.

What if one of you met me in real life and thought, oh she'd never like me. And just walked away. When really i did care

What's the point of that?

Sometimes these threads perpetuate loneliness rather than help us find ways out of it.



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25 Jul 2017, 2:55 pm

hurtloam wrote:
Sabreclaw wrote:
Let's assume for the sake of argument that you're correct. Who cares? Whichever gender has it easier is meaningless; you're still single. Trying to turn everything into a clash of genders just breeds resentment.


I just feel like in real life my single female friends get ignored and swept under the rug like they're nothing. It just annoys me that we're treated like we're nothing and that we don't exist.

I want to shout WE DO EXIST AND WE HAVE FEELINGS.


I was posting in response to the OP. I have an understanding of your particular concern; women on the ForeverAlone subreddit tend to get met with skepticism too.



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25 Jul 2017, 2:56 pm

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Isn't the basis of this entire thread 'proof by example fallacy'...as its based on some banter from the O.Ps friend?

A fallacy of that sort is a failure in reasoning that renders an argument invalid. The OP's post was a statement or an opinion. It could still be considered incorrect, obviously, but it's still not a fallacy.



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25 Jul 2017, 2:57 pm

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But if you say all women have purple feet and I say, but I know women who don't have purple feet. Is that a fallacy? I know women who don't have purple feet.

If I said "all women have purple feet" then evidence of a woman who didn't have purple feet would show my statement to be untrue.

Not that that has any relevance to this thread, so getting it back on topic the OP's statement RE women was;

"you can be not the best looking woman in the world and still get plenty of dates and male attention"

The fact that you know some single women does not make that statement false. I hope you can see why your purple feet analogy does not apply here.


No. I think you're just trolling me. I'm showing you evidence of a woman... me. Who no one is interested in. No one at all. I am the woman without the purple feet and you refuse to see me.



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25 Jul 2017, 2:58 pm

hurtloam wrote:
Chichikov wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Chichikov wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Oh I see. If you don't actually know the people we are discussing how can you form an accurate opinion about them? That's what I'm saying. It can only be guess work.

I'll doubt anyone has ever done a proper study of women like this. Therefore, all we have at the moment is what they say about what they've experienced. It shouldn't be disregarded.

You're completely missing the point, so I'll try and be concise. Your argument that the OP is wrong because you know women who are single is meaningless, it's a fallacious argument that holds no water.


My goodness you're being obtuse. The OP reads: "you can be not the best looking woman in the world and still get plenty of dates and male attention". This is not true. I know plenty of single women who have no one interested in them. I don't know how to phrase that more clearly. No. male. attention. At. All.

It's what's called a proof by example fallacy. Google it.


But if you say all women have purple feet and I say, but I know women who don't have purple feet. Is that a fallacy? I know women who don't have purple feet.

If you read Chichikov's posts he likes to argue and fight, you're best moving on and letting someone engage him who enjoys doing the same. You can't win an argument with someone who's partisan, merely influence the audience to your perspective. Also, don't get caught up on the term 'fallacy' he's using it in a logical sense, which bears little resemblance to the way things actually work in the animal kingdom/human society. Hell, Cicero would say if you can get away with a fallacy keep using it and refining it.

All that said, it's not a 'by example' fallacy, because 1. you didn't generalize it to an entire group of females, and 2. you were arguing against the op 'by example' fallacy where the 'by example' was replaced by a commonplace, 'women have it easy in dating', which again IS a fallacy since it's a broad generalization of not just a demographic but an entire complex system to boot.



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25 Jul 2017, 4:06 pm

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No. I think you're just trolling me. I'm showing you evidence of a woman... me. Who no one is interested in. No one at all. I am the woman without the purple feet and you refuse to see me.

Again you fail to get the point. If the OP had said that *every* woman has men and attention then your points would be valid. However he didn't, he just said that women had it easier. That means that some women will still not get attention, just fewer of them. That is why you pointing out that these fewer women exist does not make the original statement false.


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