Why are women so desperate for men?

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Well, I don't think that way at all. My struggles in finding a girlfriend are more that I can't find my niche and the Bible Belt does not support me in being an individual. I would love to have a girlfriend who likes anime, manga, comics, and video games but most Bible Belt women don't like that stuff since those things are "weird" to them and only want a "good Christian man".

Its not feminism makes women single, its that the rising number of single people and lower marriage rates of today might be caused by a changing society and culture which encourages independence, self-reliance and freedom of choice.

These are all good things but may encourage people to be less social.

Some aspects of Feminism may or.may.not have an indirect influence.

Some cultures and societies encourage a strong sense of community, neighbors help each other and you help them and the community as a whole tries to have strong ties with one another and to the individual.

This is a thing that seems to.be dying in the modern world and only exists in small towns or tribes still.

If you tell people they need no one, can do.everything by themselves, etc. they'll believe it

Even Redpill does this.

Redpill tells men they need nothing from.women, and if they need sexual gratification just to hire a prostitute.

An entire culture that encourages individualism and freedom of choice will likely be one where people want as little to do with people outside their small circle of friend and family as possible since they percieve that other people offer.no value to them anymore since they can do everything for themselves.

You see this every time someone needs a service.

They'll be friendly and polite with the service provider to get what they need out of them.

So if women don't need men ("a relationship won't make you happy" "you don't need a man to.make.you happy" is common in dating articles for women) and men don't need women (According to redpill)...why would they socialize with someone who doesn't offer them value according to society?

Why would I talk to that smelly drunk hobo, what value could he possibly offer to me? He'll just waste my time giving me a drunken slurr of fabricated war stories.

Why would I approach that woman, redpill says all women are only valuable for sex and I can get that from escorts.

Why would I need a boyfriend or husband? A relationship won't make.me.happy, its just an addition to.my life I choose to have, so I'll work on myself and my own life first until I'm ready for a relationship (hint: this is how.some women end up a 'career woman' and still single in her 30s and 40s when she realizes she did need a man in her life).

As I said before, the statistics show more single people in Australia and America than ever before, all time low birth rates in first world countries like America, Australia, parts of Europe, low marriage rates, and divorce rates remain high. This all had.to come from somewhere.

This is a lot.bigger than Feminism, but feminism may be a small part of it,.that's all I'm saying.

Building on what you've just said, Outrider, there's also the other person's POV to look at, too.
Why would anyone pursue relationships with people who find no worth even in those they are sexually or romantically attracted to?

I agree, and this continues the cycle.

Hurtloam said herself she believes men think she is content being single due to her strong independence.

I definitely wouldn't want to date a girl who thinks she can do without me since its likely I wouldn't be able to do without her. I need love and friendship and don't deny this to others, doesn't mean everyone needs love or friends to be happy but I do and there's no facade coming from me.

I just hope to date a compatible young woman.

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How do you type something like this then go in another thread and talk about being in a relationship. I'm so confused with how dumb of a post this is considering you are in a relationship.

i too know that i'll be alone for the rest of my life myself,i got games,giant stuffed teddy bears (used as sex toys),kazoos,martial arts,mixed martial arts,the local news & wresling,so i'm pretty content too

Nobody is arguing hurtloam off the forum. I don't always agree with her, but she is a sweet person who posts things that are honest and a delight to read.

Nor am I going to argue that men here couldn't be a little nicer in there attitudes towards women.

But likewise you won't win over many men to your cause the way you're going about it. The strawman doesn't help, either.

Not too many years ago, there were quite a few rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth women who called themselves feminists who did more to bully us than ever made any respectable points. Even I found myself often reported to mods for insignificant infractions compared to what those nominal feminists were dishing out. Once I figured out the game, I reported them. As did other guys. The two worst were [banned member] and [banned member], and they're long gone. One of those I engaged in PM after some things she disclosed about herself. She lashed out at me once or twice before I finally managed to convince her I was a friend. Sadly, though, she mainly had an agenda against men on WP and, I'm guessing, the mods finally got annoyed enough with her that they did something about it. I'd grown to like her, and it made me sad. But she did it to herself.

I hate to see feminists go, and I mean the truly egalitarian ones. I can handle being called a misogynist for my views as long as certain among them don't mind me calling them baby-killers. Quid pro quo. When we learn from each other, perhaps not convert anybody but at least understand each other a bit better, it's a good day. And it's really nothing personal when disagreements happen.

I know we could do better. But ramping up the echo-chamber rhetoric many of us have come to expect from feminists will go further to confirming what we already think we know about feminists, which won't make things any easier for you.

It's the LOVE and dating subforum. Practical advice for relationships or just getting one freakin' date is always welcome. Trust me, some of us need all the help we can get!

Then I hope the generalizations about women being made in this thread bother you, if you're not the sort of guy to think that way. Maybe you could talk to some of the guys making these generalizations and ask them to stop because it's making a bad representation of autistic guys which could impact your own ability to meet women because it's pushing autistic women out of the autistic community. That Atypical show has already got people talking about sexist autistic guys being a stereotype--shouldn't we be fighting these stereotypes, not feeding into them, if we want the stigma and misinformation about autism to go away?

I'm not worried about my chances with autistic men, so I don't care if my comments here "won't make things any easier" for me. From what I've read on this forum, I am secure in my decision to probably never date anyone again. It's not worth having to sort through the sort of guys you have to sort through. Since I've learned I can be independent by living independently for years I think it's wisest for me to continue doing that.

While I can possibly respect you don't fit the OP's perception of needy women, kara, what is your purpose in this subsection if you have no desire for relationships, sheer disdain to anyone who wants to have one, and little or no interest in sharing personal experiences about yourself which could potentially help others, including others like you? Surely, that would be good, no?

From the near inception of your account being created you seem to be targeting specific post types. Nearly everything you write is a personal attack, derogatory towards men and you are plenty guilty of the thing you are accusing me and many men of being. I am sure the powers that be are allowing you to fester in here in the hopes that you will somehow improve and become a better person.

I am dropping the jester act for a moment and asking you with an earnest demeanour; what is your end game exactly?

Sort through what guys? Honestly it's literally a catch 22. I tell my friends who are girls in real life this all the time. Make up exactly what you want write it down and don't break from it. People who change their minds constantly are never happy and always end up making questionable choices. If you want someone who will be loyal, but passive, but aggressive when you want them to be but fleeting sometimes, with a hint of risk in them to make you feel like they are someone you can brag about to your friends that you locked down. Good luck. Because that's how a s**t ton of women imagine guys for some reason, and think the ones that can do all that are not able to just emotionally manipulate them at will.

THANK f**k SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT. The women who say "I don't need a guy in one post but talk about their boyfriend in the others, or vice versa are f*****g tilting.

AND JUST IF THIS HASN'T BEEN SAID YET. Women can PICK men at any time men unless they are masters of the craft of emotional manipulation aka game cannot. A woman chooses to be single a man typically does NOT.

Sort through the kind of guys who can't see you as an equal human being and an individual, sort through the abusers and the haters and the angry violent ones. Men who struggle with seeing women as individual human beings instead of some homogeneous group I have to avoid because I can't have a healthy relationship with such a person but there are a lot of them out there, and not all are violent but all of them are toxic to be around if you are a woman and they drain away your life and your self worth if you let them in. I gave up on dating because I got tired of having to sort through those guys to get through to the decent ones who don't find my humanity impossible to comprehend just because I'm female. The rest of what you wrote I'm not sure how it applies to anything I said and also I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense. I'm having trouble making sense of it.

And now you're yelling and swearing at me in text. This is exactly what I'm talking about, this behaviour, this hostility and rage. It's a red flag to most women, those of us who have experience with abuse especially.

Ok. 1 I'm not swearing at you. Swearing at you would be f**k you etc.
2. It's infuriating to hear women say I don't want to date or I cat date because I can't find the right guy. Because men say I can't date, I can't find any girl.
3. You have a choice. If you are having trouble with quality men it's because you don't realize the catch 22 women have created.
4. The catch 22 is if you want a full package guy completed already he won't value you unless your a full package girl because, for him to become a full package guy he had to realize how worthese women saw him before. And how women flock to a full package guy disgusts most men because it's like this.

A smart woman would get a pup when it's young raise it and have a wolf on her side loyal to the end. A guy who isn't full package not all looks and charm but watch him grow with her by his side.

Girls don't do this they want the wolf from the start and the wolf has no respect loyalty to you.

Your guy is out their you refuse to give him a chance because of your preferences favoring wolf's who will abuse you.

The fact that women choosing not to date because of fear of abusers infuriates you (your word) is disturbing and once again is exactly what I am talking about. That's not normal, that's sick.