Why do Normies always blame men for their lack of dating?

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The red pill is just a hoax they use to get you to swallow their kool-aid.

Not really, it's actually pretty true to be honest. IT doesn't lead to happy endings but it does give you tons of sex if you are interested in that thing. Women are their own worst enemies at times and so are men, but the things about both sexes is men are informed more by society of their shortcomings while women not so much.

Man-I can't allow myself to be another father who cheats on his wife.
Woman- I would never cheat on my husband.

See? One acknowledges the potential for it the other dismisses it. Therefore by doing so the other is more susceptible to it.

That's only likely to make you bitter and resentful towards them, and neither you nor they deserve that. Plus, Murphy's Law says that's when you'll meet someone who's more suitable which will represent a severe crisis to the original plan.

I'd worry about finding someone who's tolerably attractive, who you're able to approach and be comfortable with, and maybe with an interest in common. This is one of the benefits of having friends who are girls, they can help with making those interactions easier (both by normalizing interacting with the opposite gender, but also through networking - odds are they will know more girls than your male friends do).

I can't speak to your experiences, but I know one aspect that limited my ability to form relationships earlier in life was misreading/misinterpreting communication and signals and the drama that would ensue as a result. At the time I was convinced they were all mean and nasty and out to get me, but in hindsight at least a few of them tried quite hard to make things work but ultimately things were unworkable. One person in particular listened to me stew about all the horrible things previous girls had done to me - if she was smart she would have seen the massive red flag that represented and ran, but she didn't. She got stuck with a detached, distant, 'on my own terms or nothing' bf because that's all I was capable of being at the time. Luckily my perspective changed enough to allow me to re-evaluate some of this behaviour since I'd still be trapped by much of the same issues (and sadly to some extent I still am, but at least I'm better equipped to recognize this behaviour now.)

Are you really suggesting only men are capable of self-reflection and using the knowledge gleaned to try to motivate themselves to improve?

That's a catch 22. That happens cause women find guys in relationships more attractive. If one wasn't in a relationship that suitable person wouldn't come along.

The problem is women I find attractive at all all think their better then me.

I've never and never would talk about my issues with Women with a woman I'm dating. I don't plan to share my emotions and issues with a gf I've learned they don't like men with emotions

I don't believe that's really the case. It might make you more interesting to some (especially if they like 'the chase' in the same way some guys do), it might make you less threatening and therefore more approachable/easier to bond with, but it also means they might be wasting all their effort only to end up 'the other woman' and ultimately disposable to the attached man they're considering pursuing.

Definitely there's people out there who prefer to pursue attached partners, but they're not the majority and they're not only women.



This might be a good time to discuss what kind of women you find attractive. I don't buy into the notion of leagues (especially since there's plenty of attractive people with less attractive partners who work as couples for more mundane or sappy reasons than just 'omgsohawt'), but I think we can both agree, the pickier someone is on looks, they either end up making compromises in other places (my brother has dated a few hot but utterly crazy women, now that the novelty of having a 'hot girlfriend' has worn off he's with someone who isn't quite as attractive, but still cute but more importantly, emotionally stable and his intellectual equal), or they end up passing over loads of otherwise suitable partners because they didn't quite match the standard they held in their head.

Not to beat a dead horse, but this is another one of those benefits of having female friends. Sometimes you discover you have chemistry with someone who maybe isn't exceedingly attractive, but overall suitable. I didn't think my current gf was particularly attractive until we met in person, she's really cute but not nearly as photogenic as she is cute. She had pretty much won me over entirely before we met in person, so finding out she's gorgeous in person was like icing on the cake.

Also, you're likely not nearly as ugly as you keep insisting you are, and even if you are, there's plenty of women out there who feel just as ugly themselves as you do, and some of them are actually quite attractive.



There's a difference between occasionally expressing emotional vulnerability and consistently exposing one's emotional baggage. Women only very rarely like the later, but many (most?) would prefer someone who has feelings to dating an animated statue with no emotions. Yes, this makes it harder because it means avoiding both extremes, but usually one can find a healthy medium between 'creepy over-emotional' and 'creepy unemotional'.

^^To translate, listen to all the bad dating advice women give and let them set you up with their fat ugly friend who doesn't put in the effort to take care of herself. This is totally viable. Never mind trying to rationalize why a lot of women are only ever stuck on their own baggage and don't see "weak" men as suitable partners. Good luck trying to meet that supposed middle ground because at the end of the day, it's only a matter of time before they start monkey branching again.

So let's hear your advice, if you've got any words of wisdom to spout.

Simply put, have some respect for yourself. Unfortunately you seem to have handed over your balls in giving up the "my way or the highway" mantra. There is no p**** on earth worth a man's dignity.

I see you mistake being able to get along with others with being emasculated or lacking self-respect. "My way" includes others, maybe you enjoy being entirely socially alienated, but I prefer to have people in my life, it makes life easier, even if it sometimes adds additional complications. One can never fully reconcile positive and negative face, but you appear to have entirely abandoned any 'positive face'.

I can be certain you won't ever surrender your dignity, as you would need to possess some in order to have any to surrender.

Apparently you're as qualified to give relationship advice as I am to give advice on rebuilding the engines on the Saturn V.

As long as you acknowledge I'm trying to save men from themselves. Have fun getting screwed over.

Be careful. What you're doing sounds like the Red Pill. (Or possibly MGTOW.) It doesn't get much love on this site, and there are even talks of banning it from being discussed. Ironically, that kind of literature is what helped me learn to talk to women without acting like an approval-seeking beta male. But hey, their site, their rules. <shaking my head>

Those on the spectrum could do very well for themselves, learning from MGTOW. Instead, I'm sure there will always be those stuck in the blue pill world deciding that they were too "misogynistic" and wallowing in self pity before repeating the cycle.

LOL redpill is banned here thats hillarous I love it. I agree it's toxic but it works if all you want to do is exploit people with weak mentalities. AKA EMOTIONAL manipulation which is what game is at it's core.

LOL I remember when I went through that phase, then I found out that s**t works, got a girlfriend and realized I was disgusted with it. Then I realized I didn't care to do it for success sex wise because I was trans, and here I am now mostly happy.

Most Women aren't attracted to men other women aren't attracted to. It's why they avoid 30+ old virgins cause "there must be some reason why no woman would sleep with him"
Counter to that most women find men in relationships attractive cause a woman wants him so there must be good stuff about him. I don't mean that their steal him or sleep with him but I've seen it mentioned here a bunch of times as well as on the internet guys in relationships become more appealing then when they were single.

I find most women attractive but I sense you're thinking/implying I only like thin women. Most the women I've gone after are bigger women. I don't think most fat women are unattractive, they often have beautiful faces. I do admit super obese women I don't find attractive.
It's usually the latter with women. Most want the perfect guy they imagined, attractive, fit,good job, nice car, his own house. They won't accept anything less, while most of them don't have all that stuff themselves.

Female friend doesn't work for me. Look it's not like there's a long line of women wanting to be my friend so it's mutual I don't want female friends and most women don't want male friends. On top of that unless they're already married or coupled(most only friend other couples) I'll get romancie feelings for them and over time come to feel bitter towards them for not returning them. I'd expect the same from a woman who loves a guy friend who doesn't love her. Such friendships can never be tru friendships. Atleast in person. How many people can handle seeing the one the love every day who doesn't love them back date countless others who they deem better then you while expecting you to comfort them? I'd imagine most people couldn't handle that for long.

So you talked to her before meeting? Sounds more like you messaged a girls lot then met up for a date which is per the usuall for dating and not being friends first. I also prefer to message a girl for weeks before meeting up.

Yes there are but while they feel ugly they still know they better looking and this too good for me. Pulse they can go to reddit am I ugly and gets lots of compliments. I wouldn't suggest it to guys who think they're ugly as you're get lots of women telling you you're ugly. Oh I am most people here even think so I posted pictures of myself in a thread week or so ago.
I got sad from reading all this and over ate for dinner

Yet women constantly share their every single emotional issues >.> super stupid I have to listen to every single problem they have and every bit of drama/ talk about people in their life but if a guy shares he ounce of his problems he lacks confidence and is unattractive for it. Then they complain why won't guys cry or show their emotions "why won't he just talk to me"
Maybe cause as soon as he does you call him a whimp who lacks confidence. Guess most women lack confidence. Whelp I was raised by women. I prefer talking about my problems rather then hearing solutions. I also have emotions and share them more much like women do. Gues that's what happens when you don't have a dad or grandpa.