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26 Sep 2017, 2:51 pm

Story time, then I have homework to do.

Some of you (I won't say who) keep talking about a house husband. I believe I have talked about my ex-friend Julia before - she has a house husband. It's not all it's cracked up to be (for her). She is able to be the breadwinner since she is an LPN, but she doesn't make enough because she has to work usually 6 out of 7 days a week. She also decided that they had to get married because she is religious, but mainly because she got pregnant by mistake. Her "house husband" is a slacker in that area too. He had a job, but after moving here to Kansas from the East coast, he just never got another job after that. It's going on 5 years now? I quit asking her if he found a job yet because I know the answer will be no. You'd think that he could do all of the housework if she is working 6 days a week 12 hours a day, but no. When I used to talk to her, SHE was the one doing the dishes and the vacuuming and the mowing of the lawn - even put up the Christmas tree (by herself). She even told me that she almost had to go to the hospital after she was mowing the lawn because it was so hot she almost passed out. WTF. Where was her househusband? Chained to the MF bed?! She even couldn't rely on him to take THEIR kid to preschool. She ended up doing it after she got off of work. Over time, she stopped talking about how wonderful he was and you could tell there was some real resentment building up. She even tried ultimatums, but those never worked because she would always back down.

I would have no trouble supporting a "house husband", but I would rather have an equal. Thank you very much.


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26 Sep 2017, 2:56 pm

My housewife had no trouble mowing our yard with a riding lawnmower. You just need to buy the right tools for the job.



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26 Sep 2017, 3:04 pm

Housewife=a housekeeper you shag lol
Househusband=I'm afraid to live on my own so I'd rather settle and put up with sh***y treatment and being taken advantage of.
No offence intended to anyone.



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26 Sep 2017, 3:31 pm

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All the guys can poo-poo the article and say it doesn't matter. However, the article points out that it's MEN who believe they should be the breadwinner and it's MEN who decide they shouldn't get married if they have a low paying job - per the article.



It's because of WOMEN that MEN think like that. They keep hearing from WOMEN, how they wouldn't date men poorer than them.

Duh.


No, men come to these conclusions all on their own.


No, we hear it from the women's mouths all the time, we are not hallucinating - thank you.



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26 Sep 2017, 3:40 pm

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Housewife=a housekeeper you shag lol
Househusband=I'm afraid to live on my own so I'd rather settle and put up with sh***y treatment and being taken advantage of.
No offence intended to anyone.


Funny thing about offence and intent. It's impact, not intent, that determines offense.


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26 Sep 2017, 3:44 pm

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Housewife=a housekeeper you shag lol
Househusband=I'm afraid to live on my own so I'd rather settle and put up with sh***y treatment and being taken advantage of.
No offence intended to anyone.


Can I be your housewife?



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26 Sep 2017, 3:50 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
All the guys can poo-poo the article and say it doesn't matter. However, the article points out that it's MEN who believe they should be the breadwinner and it's MEN who decide they shouldn't get married if they have a low paying job - per the article.

It's because of WOMEN that MEN think like that. They keep hearing from WOMEN, how they wouldn't date men poorer than them.Duh.

No, men come to these conclusions all on their own.

No, we hear it from the women's mouths all the time, we are not hallucinating - thank you.

https://www.hercampus.com/news/more-millennials-you-would-think-believe-men-should-be-breadwinners-women-should-stay-home
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More Millennials Than You Would Think Believe Men Should Be Breadwinners & Women Should Stay Home
By Casey Donart in News
Posted Mar 31 2017 - 08:12pm
A new study has found that more millennials support traditional family dynamics than the previous generation, The New York Times reports.
According to research conducted by sociologists Joanna Pepin and David Cotter, the proportion of young people holding progressive or egalitarian views about gender relationships has fallen since the mid-1990s. In 1994, 42 percent of high school seniors agreed that the best family included a male bread-winner and a woman taking care of the home. In 2014, 58 percent of seniors said this was true.
While more than 90 percent of millennials believe women should have “exactly” the same opportunities as men in business and politics, their views become significantly more traditional when it comes to home life, Quartz reports.
A separate research study strengthens these findings—in 1994, 16 percent of young adults believed a woman’s place was in the home. By 2014, that figure has risen to 25 percent.
Pepin and Cotter believe these attitudes come from growing support for the idea that women should have equal opportunities at work and face no discrimination, but that women will naturally choose different opportunities from men based on their ‘differences’, Quartz reported.
Although there is nothing inherently wrong with a woman (or a man) choosing to stay in the home, it’s slightly alarming to think that our generation has become more close-minded to different relationship types and a woman’s ability and right to have a successful career while still being a wife.


https://www.thesimpledollar.com/why-women-should-embrace-their-breadwinning-status-and-stop-complaining-about-it/
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A few weeks ago, I was sucked into a rabbit hole of the worst kind – an article (and comments section) that piqued my interest in the most consuming way possible. A post about Conflicted Millennial Women Breadwinners offered a glimpse into the minds of younger women who earn more than their husbands or boyfriends, and seemingly hate it.

The author, Ashley Ford, a breadwinner herself, polled more than 130 other female breadwinners to find out how they coped with out-earning their partners. The consensus: They disliked earning more than their husbands and boyfriends. Asked how they would feel if they were the breadwinner forever, the female respondents used words like ‘tired,’ ‘exhausted,’ and ‘resentful.’

Some of the women claimed to be stressed out and overwhelmed, while also feeling pressured to stay in jobs they didn’t enjoy. Others lamented their breadwinner status could prevent them from pursuing careers they really love.


Hey ladies, welcome to being equal to the mens' world in that respect, "Some of the women claimed to be stressed out and overwhelmed, while also feeling pressured to stay in jobs they didn’t enjoy."


https://psmag.com/economics/will-women-prefer-husbands-breadwinners-97317
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I Do, If You Will: Women Prefer Their Husbands to Be the Breadwinners
A new study reveals something decidedly vintage—but encourages us to think about gender in a new, and more nuanced, way.
Susan Ewing
Jan 6, 2015
Dr. Catherine Tinsley of the McDonough School of Business at Georgetown University, the study’s lead author, chalks it up to the fact that those gender roles have been our working model for decades, offering an established division of labor that most people have been pretty much OK with. But as more women join the workforce, clinging to the status quo can hinder opportunities—for both women and men. Besides the obvious financial drawback for women, rigid gender roles can hurt men too. For example, Tinsley says stay-at-home dads experience notable prejudice, with a large conformist swathe of society wondering what’s “wrong” with them.

“I think there’s a part of us, as a collective society, that doesn’t want things to change,” Tinsley says. “I’m most interested in facilitating a better dialogue about why that is.” Which is why she and her research partners, Taeya M. Howell (of the Stern School of Business at New York University) and Emily T. Amanatullah (of the McCombs School of Business at the University of Texas-Austin) felt it was time for a fresh way to gauge gender-role beliefs.


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26 Sep 2017, 3:56 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
wanderlust77 wrote:
Housewife=a housekeeper you shag lol
Househusband=I'm afraid to live on my own so I'd rather settle and put up with sh***y treatment and being taken advantage of.
No offence intended to anyone.


Can I be your housewife?


Good call. She doesn't sound like someone who'd treat one too bad, too often. How do you feel about polyandry, wanderlust, and what's your budget? ;-)


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26 Sep 2017, 4:04 pm

I've lived in several households where both spouses work, and then one comes home and does almost all of the housework, childcare, meal prep, and so on. It doesn't tend to be the woman who would rather play video games or watch tv. Just sayin'. It may not make rational economic sense to want to be the woman in a household where both spouses work, since the other jobs may not get split up so that the benefits exceed the cost.

On the other hand, I read about some quality research which showed that women find men less sexy when the men actually do chores. So if you start to do more chores, guys, pay attention to the reaction. Some chores may enhance your sex appeal, like working with knives and fire or putting a mirror shine on shoes, while others may diminish it. I don't know which. Sewing, maybe? Some women probably find that sexy, though, so I'll just say take it on a case by case basis.


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26 Sep 2017, 4:28 pm

My observations agree with the observations made by the author of the article. I've observed that middle class people are more likely to be married.

This could be for a number of reasons

1. Middle class people may have more initiative to go out there and date. The same initiative that enabled them to get a degree and a high paying job may also compel to date.

2.Middle class people are less likely to have less anxiety. I'm not saying all poor people have anxiety but if you have to much social anxiety (or other forms of anxiety) to complete college and/or get a high paying job, you won't be in the middle class.

3. Middle class people are more likely to have grown up with both their parents. My single mum didn't give good dating advice because she never courted, she was courted, she always took a passive role in dating. I saw my dad on occasion but his drunken misogynistic advice didn't help. Middle class people are more likely to have a father who is both living with the and not an alcoholic. Advice from a good father figure can be helpful for figuring out dating.

4. A lot of middle class people actually met their partner at college. It's a big place with thousands of sociable young women. Sounds like a good place to meet your future wife. Someone who didn't go to college had less opportunity to be around thousands of young women. Working class men might work in a blue collar job that doesn't have many women in it.

5. Working class people can afford the wedding. I've known a fair few poor people who had long term relationships with kids and didn't get married. Are they living in sin? No. But with weddings costing $30,000 (according to cracked) and an engagement ring costing six months of a middle class man's salary before tax (according to De Beers) they just can't afford it.

(It never ceases to confuse me how middle class people tell me about the virtues of saving and being frugal and they blow it all on a wedding, a honeymoon and a diamond ring).


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26 Sep 2017, 4:30 pm

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Let the debate begin......... :mrgreen: This article says a lot of what I have been tooting my horn about.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/upsh ... nt=6&pgtyp


What crapioka. I have a Masters and a Bachelors and only last year met my first girlfriend ever (I'm 40, and she is an Aspie too). My brother and father have zero college degrees between them, and both are married.


I guess this proves the article was right. First you got a master's degree and then you got a girlfriend.


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26 Sep 2017, 4:36 pm

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Unemployed women shouldn't be seen as wife material either!!
I agree. I would want to marry a woman with a similar income to me. With our incomes combined we can buy a nice house to live in.

I especially wouldn't want to be with an unemployed woman who would be my financial dependant. That would send me to the poorhouse fast.

Marrying a housewife sounds boring. I'd want to marry someone with the same level career as me.


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26 Sep 2017, 4:38 pm

Oh please, I dated a guy who supposedly had 4 years of collage and that dude was hardly marriage material ... Yea I know the deal, even my mom told me I should marry for money over love. My dad said the same thing, its all about money.



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26 Sep 2017, 6:48 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
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Unemployed women shouldn't be seen as wife material either!!
I agree. I would want to marry a woman with a similar income to me. With our incomes combined we can buy a nice house to live in.

I especially wouldn't want to be with an unemployed woman who would be my financial dependant. That would send me to the poorhouse fast.

Marrying a housewife sounds boring. I'd want to marry someone with the same level career as me.


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26 Sep 2017, 7:08 pm

I don't like doing housework. But I do help my wife. She gets mighty testy, though. She works as a nurse.

It's not fair for a woman to work outside the home, and have to do housework, too. I agree with that.

That's why when I marry next, I wouldn't mind having a woman who doesn't want to work, and doesn't mind housework.



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26 Sep 2017, 8:47 pm

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So if you're a poor, un/under-employed or low-paid man, you're not worthy of having a lover, but as a woman in the same position you still are? Man, I love checking my male privilege.

Unless you want to fill the typical housewife role, as long as the man can provide for his own needs, it should be incumbent on you to worry about your own too. If you expect someone to take care of your bills for you, you'd best be able to give them a good reason to.


Yep I've been saying it for years now and women here are like no women don't care about that stuff your crazy

Women poorer then me reject me cause of my job, they don't even have one and live off their parents. Atleast one girl was straight out she wanted to be a housewife and thus needed a husband who can provide everything. She didn't really reject me as it was just mutral as I told her that won't ever be me