Male disposability in life & dating

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Because it's counter productive to do so. Any man who dares to talk about mens issues in public will get shamed and made fun of by the majority of women, but also other men seeking some easy female validation. It's probably the only scenario where women applaud men for thinking with their dicks.

The only solution is men discussing it with eachother anonymously on the internet, because hopefully with time more and more men will disengage society. Change will come if it hurts society enough.
Males going to university is a declining trend and birthrates are plummeting in all western countries. Even though these things are multi layered issues, I think that maybe we will see some changes if things continue the way they do.
Men begging will never change anything.

I just feel like I'm reading the same things said by the same people over and over again.

It seems like the kind of men who are concerned about this stuff are not good at turning this into an engaging discussion. Not good at selling the idea to the masses.

It's, 'I'm going to throw all the facts I know at you! If you don't agree you're stupid or deluded or lack reading comprehension.'

I see the comments they write online (or Google dudes memo for example) and it's like they're repeating the same stuff at people over and over and that isn't going to work as a way of engaging people in discussion and moving for change. Boring people to death with every minute detail about the men's movement and telling the listener they're stupid when they get sick of being monologued at isn't going to solve anything or bring people closer together.

Where are the men trying to set up domestic abuse refuges for other men for example? Where are the men who are taking action to change things?

Where are the men trying to set up domestic abuse refuges for other men for example? Where are the men who are taking action to change things?

But things are changing already - for example how often you see guys doing cold approaches nowadays?
Younger guys are also rejecting lazy women, for example.

How many guys you see today offering help to stranger women for carrying heavy stuff?

These are things that older men were willing to put up with. Young guys are way less likely to put women on a pedestal than their fathers when they of their age.

And that's a good thing for men, things start with the little things.

I just feel like I'm reading the same things said by the same people over and over again.

It seems like the kind of men who are concerned about this stuff are not good at turning this into an engaging discussion. Not good at selling the idea to the masses.

It's, 'I'm going to throw all the facts I know at you! If you don't agree you're stupid or deluded or lack reading comprehension.'

I see the comments they write online (or Google dudes memo for example) and it's like they're repeating the same stuff at people over and over and that isn't going to work as a way of engaging people in discussion and moving for change. Boring people to death with every minute detail about the men's movement and telling the listener they're stupid when they get sick of being monologued at isn't going to solve anything or bring people closer together.

Where are the men trying to set up domestic abuse refuges for other men for example? Where are the men who are taking action to change things?

This is a very passive conflict averse movement by that description.

I don't see many of those personally.

It's actually less passive than it seems. Feminism enabled young women to have hot casual sex with the dregs of society, not just garden-variety "jerks", because there were always "thirsty" beta males they could settle down with later in life. Both Red Pill and MGTOW are eliminating that safety net. Time will tell what will happen next.

Even more so, oftentimes, men get nicer jobs in a higher tax bracket because a woman in their lives demands it, directly or indirectly. If men remain single their whole lives and stick with low-paying entry-level jobs the whole time, that extra tax revenue is gone. Future taxpayer meat from non-reproducing men, gone. Alpha males having babies with multiple women will partially offset the loss, but the single mothers will also require additional welfare (WIC, TANF, etc.). Industries catering to women's presents, like jewelry manufacturers, lose their customer base, and stop paying corporate taxes. The effect is huge.

Governments around the world know this. In the past, Russia required single men over 25 to pay 6% of their salary as tax penalty until they got married. Missouri still has a $1 annual flat tax on single men. Why? Now you know! And by the time America implements anti-MGTOW measures, it'll take decades. By then, I'll be either dead or so old that I'll get grandfathered in (ha!) under old laws.

But things are changing already - for example how often you see guys doing cold approaches nowadays?
Younger guys are also rejecting lazy women, for example.

How many guys you see today offering help to stranger women for carrying heavy stuff?

These are things that older men were willing to put up with. Young guys are way less likely to put women on a pedestal than their fathers when they of their age.


And that's a good thing for men, things start with the little things.

Anyway. Would one really get satisfaction from a life of working a low paid entry level job?

I don't think the answer is to separate ourselves more. We should be finding ways, men and women, to work together and find common ground and ways to get along with each other better.

I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.

It's not true that men who have sex before marriage will dump you. It's not true that all men want women just for sex. You seems to have irrational beliefs. You know I look for women with shared interests and intelligence? I dislike 'Essex girls' and other superficial stereotypes. They might be 'attractive' to men, but I find them damaged on the inside and unlikeable in personality.

The morass that we call today’s sexual marketplace is leading women to ever higher expectations of men, usually with little being considered in men in return. These expectations are now so inflated that women are willing to pay hundreds of dollars for an ideal but apparently totally elusive partner through matchmaking agencies, even though they already get attention from dozens --if not hundreds—of men monthly on dating sites. Having been fed a media diet of “never settle” and “you deserve the best,” many women are obviously never settling and refusing to accept what they presently have as the best they can get. This creates this atmosphere of extreme male disposability.

There's this fit/above average woman at my gym, she's 36, childless and still single, yet uses dating sites like e-harmony and has instagram where's she's treated like a celebrity. She's not super pretty, rather plain but very lean and toned. One has to wonder about why she needed the dating agency in the first place and why plenty of other women do, too. What exactly was the problem with finding a male suitor amongst her 9000+ Instagram followers? Or why couldn’t she pick one guy from the masses of presumably toned 'fit' men with day jobs she comes across in the gym, or her personal social life?

The sad thing is that men and women used to meet rather normally, even online in the first years of home internet back in the late 1990's and earlier. Then they would stay together, at least until the divorce ten, or twenty years later. Nowadays, usually because of a woman’s inflated expectations, the question of “What’s enough in a man?” is rarely settled. Hence the large number of never married women entering their mid-thirties and forties childless, but having had more relationships, flings or sexual partners than years in their lives.

Women like that gym woman I know are literally 12-15 years behind their parents’ generation in finding a mate and settling down. Added to this game of incessant catch-up is a seemingly insatiable desire for “the best,” a desire that leads to standards that perhaps 0.1% of the male population in her age bracket can possibly fulfill. And this says nothing about whether she herself is in the top 0.1% range for women. being age over 30 and working an average retail job a 18yo girl could get she certainly isn't. And how many women would date a 36yo man that worked in retail and earned the same wage as an 18yo boy?

With her Instagram account alone, her hypothetical reach in trying to find a mate is about 1,000 times more than her mother’s was. And still she’s not happy and still she hasn’t found someone!

"Where have all the good men gone?” is a refrain women’s magazines and more radically feminist sources have been pumping out for years. It’s the same refrain that prompts a majority of women on Tinder to exclude the majority of the men they swipe, or a majority of women in the real world to ignore the advances of the majority of men who approach them.

Without bringing much to the table anymore, women are nevertheless demanding more and more from the men who show interest in them. As a result, there’s little wonder that women like the gym woman I mentioned are rarely, if ever satisfied romantically.

A "nice" job is often necessary to keep up with a girlfriend's or wife's demands. Big house, fancy car, engagement ring, jewelry for the anniversary, birthday presents, pricey Valentine's Day dinners, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention, high-paying jobs are often pretty stressful. If a man doesn't have anyone pushing all those demands and doesn't seek out romantic partners, a high-paid job becomes borderline unnecessary. A simple, low-stress job is just enough to maintain a man's lifestyle: a small but comfortable house, an inexpensive reliable car, and some extra cash for weekend outings.

I think we as a society already crossed the point of no return; the relationship between sexes at large is too damaged to repair in one generation's lifetime. Because my generation is basically out of luck, I'm choosing to keep a safe distance and watch the circus unfold. Just like Guy Montag in the closing scene of "Fahrenheit 451", where he watches his city get carpet-bombed, while standing in the safety of the countryside, talking to Book People.

Oh, and for the records, I have women friends who think highly of me. I just refuse to have anything to do with romantic or sexual relationships. In which case, I can't help but snicker at young men falling over themselves trying to find a sex partner or a girlfriend. Even though I was just like that 15 years ago.

I just feel like I'm reading the same things said by the same people over and over again.

It seems like the kind of men who are concerned about this stuff are not good at turning this into an engaging discussion. Not good at selling the idea to the masses.

It's, 'I'm going to throw all the facts I know at you! If you don't agree you're stupid or deluded or lack reading comprehension.'

I see the comments they write online (or Google dudes memo for example) and it's like they're repeating the same stuff at people over and over and that isn't going to work as a way of engaging people in discussion and moving for change. Boring people to death with every minute detail about the men's movement and telling the listener they're stupid when they get sick of being monologued at isn't going to solve anything or bring people closer together.

Where are the men trying to set up domestic abuse refuges for other men for example? Where are the men who are taking action to change things?

Oh I don't doubt you guys are quite nice in real life. I used to work with a red pill guy and he's lovely.i really like him. I just feel that he must have been really hurt at some point to have had to delve into such a separatist ideology. I had to unfollow him on Facebook because I couldn't take the negativity of the things he liked.

I don't agree. I don't think the way forward is to become less polite and helpful.

I made an off the cuff comment earlier saying well, what's the point of relationships, we should all just be alone. I was feeling exasperated, but I don't really feel that way.

I don't think the answer is to separate ourselves more. We should be finding ways, men and women, to work together and find common ground and ways to get along with each other better.

I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.