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20 Dec 2018, 4:00 am

I really do think it's my demeanour.

A friend of a friend once said I was "powerful and a bit scary." He was a wimp anyway so whatever... I'm being facetious

I think my self sufficiency puts men off. I own my own apartment, I have a good job. I have a private school accent rather than a regional accent which I think puts people off in general. I can't do slang. Oh wait, I've been told off for calling regional accents slang... see the problem. I sound too snobby.

Another friend of a friend said, "what does she need me for. She's got everything."

You can't win.

Also I suffered from severe depression for a while and wasn't very upbeat or personable. That's why I keep advocating for looking after one's mental health first. Sad sacks aren't attractive.

Also thank you for the compliment



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20 Dec 2018, 4:05 am

I don’t even bother messaging women who have all that. Men may but not think you’d date them for same reason



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20 Dec 2018, 4:11 am

hurtloam wrote:
I really do think it's my demeanour.

A friend of a friend once said I was "powerful and a bit scary." He was a wimp anyway so whatever... I'm being facetious

I think my self sufficiency puts men off. I own my own apartment, I have a good job. I have a private school accent rather than a regional accent which I think puts people off in general. I can't do slang. Oh wait, I've been told off for calling regional accents slang... see the problem. I sound too snobby.

Another friend of a friend said, "what does she need me for. She's got everything."

You can't win.

Also I suffered from severe depression for a while and wasn't very upbeat or personable. That's why I keep advocating for looking after one's mental health first. Sad sacks aren't attractive.

Also thank you for the compliment



Well, the fact that you called your friend of friend wimp then I can see why men find you scary. They probably sense it that you're only after a strong confident 'alpha' type of guys, so anything less would just run away from you.



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20 Dec 2018, 4:18 am

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hurtloam wrote:
I really do think it's my demeanour.

A friend of a friend once said I was "powerful and a bit scary." He was a wimp anyway so whatever... I'm being facetious

I think my self sufficiency puts men off. I own my own apartment, I have a good job. I have a private school accent rather than a regional accent which I think puts people off in general. I can't do slang. Oh wait, I've been told off for calling regional accents slang... see the problem. I sound too snobby.

Another friend of a friend said, "what does she need me for. She's got everything."

You can't win.

Also I suffered from severe depression for a while and wasn't very upbeat or personable. That's why I keep advocating for looking after one's mental health first. Sad sacks aren't attractive.

Also thank you for the compliment



Well, the fact that you called your friend of friend wimp then I can see why men find you scary. They probably sense it that you're only after a strong confident 'alpha' type of guys, so anything less would just run away from you.


I said I was joking. I don't ordinarily call guys wimps.

Note to self don't joke on Aspie forum.

I do like shy guys though. But they run away :(



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20 Dec 2018, 4:27 am

hurtloam wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
I really do think it's my demeanour.

A friend of a friend once said I was "powerful and a bit scary." He was a wimp anyway so whatever... I'm being facetious

I think my self sufficiency puts men off. I own my own apartment, I have a good job. I have a private school accent rather than a regional accent which I think puts people off in general. I can't do slang. Oh wait, I've been told off for calling regional accents slang... see the problem. I sound too snobby.

Another friend of a friend said, "what does she need me for. She's got everything."

You can't win.

Also I suffered from severe depression for a while and wasn't very upbeat or personable. That's why I keep advocating for looking after one's mental health first. Sad sacks aren't attractive.

Also thank you for the compliment



Well, the fact that you called your friend of friend wimp then I can see why men find you scary. They probably sense it that you're only after a strong confident 'alpha' type of guys, so anything less would just run away from you.


I said I was joking. I don't ordinarily call guys wimps.

Note to self don't joke on Aspie forum.

I do like shy guys though. But they run away :(


I understood it

You should avoid shy guys.



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20 Dec 2018, 5:27 am

hurtloam wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
I really do think it's my demeanour.

A friend of a friend once said I was "powerful and a bit scary." He was a wimp anyway so whatever... I'm being facetious

I think my self sufficiency puts men off. I own my own apartment, I have a good job. I have a private school accent rather than a regional accent which I think puts people off in general. I can't do slang. Oh wait, I've been told off for calling regional accents slang... see the problem. I sound too snobby.

Another friend of a friend said, "what does she need me for. She's got everything."

You can't win.

Also I suffered from severe depression for a while and wasn't very upbeat or personable. That's why I keep advocating for looking after one's mental health first. Sad sacks aren't attractive.

Also thank you for the compliment



Well, the fact that you called your friend of friend wimp then I can see why men find you scary. They probably sense it that you're only after a strong confident 'alpha' type of guys, so anything less would just run away from you.


I said I was joking. I don't ordinarily call guys wimps.

Note to self don't joke on Aspie forum.

I do like shy guys though. But they run away :(



<-- **Running away from hurtloam**

Btw, I didn't know what facetious means until i looked it up.



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20 Dec 2018, 11:45 am

I'm very asexual to the point where I am "sexually apathetic" and literally have 0 to no desires. That in combination with a ultra conservative christian background where sexuality is shamed significantly outside of marriage is probably the reason why. I can only speak for myself though I didn't even have proper sex ed in school and mostly forgot everything since non of it was really applicable to me and couldn't ask or talk to my parents about anything without them viciously shaming and chastising me so I just accept what is and move on.



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20 Dec 2018, 12:30 pm

Honestly I wonder if asexuality is really a normal sexuality or a consequence of some health problem that those having it don’t ever care to check it.



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20 Dec 2018, 12:49 pm

I was sort of turned off to the actual presence of ladies’ sexual parts until I was 17.

I find that is a fairly common manifestation of asexuality on WP.

That they have a sexual drive—but are turn off to the sexual act itself.



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20 Dec 2018, 4:17 pm

sly279 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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There are autistic women that never find a "way in", never get their foot in the door, and aren't able to work and are socially isolated. It's not just the men that happens to, women with autism struggle socially as well. Can we please stop this "autistic men have it worse" silliness? I thought it had been decided that who has it worse in regards to gender and autism is a stupid and pointless argument and has no place on WrongPlanet. I don't think when autistic people get together to share about their autism we should spend that time trying to gauge who has it worst. That doesn't help anyone.


If more aspie men are worse off then aspie women? Don’t aspie men have it worse just like African Americans have it worse then whites?
Isn’t it all about who’s more effected number wise?


So we should only talk about the problems of autistic men, because they are "worse"?

Why can't we make an effort to make the community welcoming to all people with autism, not just the men? Shouldn't we all feel free to share our feelings and experiences here, all being people on the spectrum? If guys are always turning the conversation to themselves and refuse to acknowledge that autistic women face the same social challenges and other issues that go along with autism (like sensory issues, for example), how are women supposed to feel welcome here?

Shouldn't you want to encourage more autistic women to participate in the forums? I mean, the more you talk to autistic women the better you can get at socializing with women in general, which could help with your dating prospects. Isn't that something you want?

I just think always trying to make it a pissing contest and only wanting to talk about one group's issues to the exclusion of others makes those others feel unwelcome, which isn't supposed to be the point of this forum. I thought it was supposed to be for support and community.


Never said we should only talk about male aspies problems but we should shut down the talk because female aspies also have it hard either.
Some people here want to stop aspie men from sharing their expand exile them to other sites. How’s that for welcoming to all?
Others want to make conservative aspies leave.
I just want everyone to be able to share the experiences.

How is this thread about male aspies making it unwelcoming to women? Shutting down male issues will make male aspies unwelcome is that what you want as it seems like it is.

Talking to female aspies won’t help me, they aren’t nt and it’s not in person and most wouldn’t date me either
I treat women and men the same.
I treat hurtloam the same as I would a male internet friend. Same with fluffy.
Most my internet friends are females
There’s a whole women’s only section and lots of threads about women only outside of it. Do you have issues about that?
How do we ensure every single post is about men and women equally?
There’s more male aspies then women
There’s more unsuccessful male aspies then unsuccessful female aspies so it would go that most threads and posts will by by unsuccessful male aspies about male aspies especially in love and dating.
I see more women posting in other sections who have relationships. Most women posting on n l&d have relationships. There’s a lot of posts by women asking advice about male aspies.

It’s like the thread asking why most posts are about the USA well apparently half the users are from the USA.

If we had a car forum and 70% of the users owned Chevy then most posts would probably be about Chevies doesn’t mean ford owners wouldn’t be welcomed

I’ve been told just cause whites suffer doesn’t lessen blacks suffering
Same would seem to apply to aspie men vs aspie women no?
Run a poll asking who’s unsuccessful single and what gender they are and you’ll see
We’ve had such in the past and most are men.
Fluffy, dragon, and hurloam are the onelu women I can think of off my head who are unsuccessful single.
The others are married or in a relationship.
So many to list.
But in relationship men
Boo, ferret guy, Kraft and retro.


My post was in response to a guy who in another thread told me I can't possibly understand his problems because I am a female, and said he wouldn't even talk to me because of that. He also posts a lot of incel and redpill talking points about women and "attraction". That's the stuff I'm talking about, that makes women feel unwelcome, when guys say things like that to us.


Wel I don’t think most want to make women feel unwelcome as I’d hope most women here don’t want to make men leave. We just want to be able to share our experiences with out being doubted or called liars.
I’ve been told in past why sharing my experiences makes women feel unwelcomed and so I should be exiled. If aspie men aren’t welcomed here where will we be? I’d bet the violent incel forums would accept us but what good would that do. I wouldn’t go there but other exiled aspie men might then get sucked into it. I think it’s important that Everyone be welcome and that means people will be uncomfortable at stones as others won’t share the same experiences or ideas


Yes it really does happen to us autistic women that we are made to feel unwelcome sometimes. Notice when I tried to talk to that Aspie196945 guy above about how wrong he is about the experiences of autistic women, he just ignores me and won't say anything? That is the guy who said I can't possibly understand his problems as an autistic man because I am female. He also accused me of not even being autistic because I'm female. All because I asked him in another thread to quote the person he is responding to in a thread so we can tell who he is talking to, because people were confused by his posts and couldn't tell which comments he was replying to, or if he was trying to talk to anyone in particular at all. That's the stuff I'm talking about, that makes women feel unwelcome here. That's what I mean when I say some guys only want to talk about the problems of autistic men and don't want women participating here, that guy is prime example #1.



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20 Dec 2018, 4:21 pm

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Women can mask their Autism and they do not have to be initiators in conversations. Being introverted, shy, quiet and being social awkward are regarded as cute in females but regarded as bad qualities in males. Males are expected to be risk takers, initiators, confident and approach women. Being an Aspie male I find it awkward and very difficult interacting with women. I am clueless in social situations, I can not read body language, I avoid eye contact when I do engage in conversations, robotic monotone voice, tone deaf, boring, no flow in conversation, long periods of awkward silence or I make weird/odd comments.


Masking doesn't make it easier. It's just a front. Underneath we are trying to constantly asses the situation and figure out what is expected of us and what we are meant to do and say.

I wish we didn't need to do the initiating, but that's not true either. Women must make it clear that they are interested in a man or he won't ask them out. It's frustrating as a woman. The social dance is that you don't directly ask. Shy girls don't get asked out. They are seen as dull and boring and sexually unavailable.

Men don't seem to like it when I jump in too soon and ask them out. I mean I do invite single men to things, but it's when I tell them that I'm more interested in them than just being friends that they recoil.


Don't be surprised if this guy doesn't respond to you. He told me in a previous thread he refuses to speak to any women here or anywhere else because women can't understand him, when I asked him to please quote the comment he was responding to in a thread so we could tell who he was talking to.



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20 Dec 2018, 4:34 pm

I think it's best to be a virgin until you meet someone with whom you have mutual respect and both really want to do it. It probably therefore has to do with developmental stage, we develop slower at a social rate.
I'm answering even though you addressed men because if I had my way I'd still be a virgin. I'm ready to lose it now but I wasn't when I lost it or any of the times later that I had sex. And also I look young for my age (underaged) and men liked that, maybe gay men or cougars would be the same.
I had a few times in my teens and early twenties when I did sexual stuff for want of pleasing someone. I know this is stereotypically a female thing but I fear for aspie men that they might fall into the same boat, especially if in the moment they want it (as I did) but don't consider the consequences which can include the psychology of being that close to someone who'd want an autistic teenager. There is a time in everyone's life when they're socially less mature than they are physically and this is especially true of autistic people. And at that time there's a lot of being pressured into things. I know it sucks to be told that as someone who's intellectually advanced of their years, as well, which I why I never heeded warnings.
Note that I'm not saying you need to marry or to be a certain age or even to be in love. It just needs more than lust. It needs mutual respect, and a mutually respecting person won't have sex with you until you're ready on more than just a physical level and won't try to talk you into anything. Even NTs aren't mentally adults until their mid twenties, this was something they tried to cover on Coronation Street in the Bethany Platt story where she was above age but groomed. (so I'd say, stick with someone your age, ideally another aspie or an NT a few years younger)
What I'm saying is lads (and lasses) if you're incel at 21, don't worry. It doesn't mean you'll be a 40 year old virgin and even if you are, unless you build your identity around sex (while never developing a rich fantasy life) which would be a dumb thing for an aspie to do when we have specialist interests and the ability to think deeper than most, you'll be fine anyway.



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20 Dec 2018, 7:37 pm

I never grew up I remained a lost soul trapped inside a man's body. Never growing up due to my Autism and never adjusting to a rapid changing world. I do not initiate any conversations, even talking to family is a real struggle. In real world interactions, I do not have a computer to hide behind and type away. Change is something I hate, I like a fixed routine and do the same things all the time. I rarely talk to anyone in the real world because I can not relate to anyone. I make statements/comments online, I find it very hard to engage in conversations because I do not understand other people's point of view because I can not relate to them.



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20 Dec 2018, 7:39 pm

I'm thinking maybe you're having good insights into yourself, Aspie19828.

I'm thinking that you might be better than you think you are.



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20 Dec 2018, 8:37 pm

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This is not meant as anything but a sincere question of interest. Why do so many Aspie men remain virgins for a long time?
Is it social anxiety or just the inability to feel you can connect with someone? Or is it not wanting the physical closeness?
I'm sure it's different for every man. Just looking to understand in general.


Honestly I'm surprised it's not obvious. Autism causes social deficits, so it can be hard for an autistic man to persuade a woman to have sex with him. The real mystery to me isn't why some autistic men go so long without sex, it's why some other autistic men are able to have so much of it.



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20 Dec 2018, 10:45 pm

No one will know if you do not tell them. It is better to make stuff up instead of the truth. People like to believe in fantasy tales and hear positive spin on things. Negativity drives people away.