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18 Jan 2020, 2:48 am

i'd settle for a quarter as much. that would still be a quantum leap over my present life powers.



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19 Jan 2020, 9:42 pm

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Autism is basically a death sentence where this shallow social game is concerned.

I have always avoided the "shallow social game." Luckily for me it became obvious to me, by my late teens, that I needed to find alternative ways of meeting people if I was ever going to find friends.

By my mid-twenties I succeeded in making quite a few friends, and some romantic partners, by playing active roles in various oddball subcultures that pertained to strong interests of mine.


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20 Jan 2020, 6:59 pm

I'm the last to be aware of anything social about any countercultures or subcultures I inhabit, in some ways I'm just into the stuff I am because I'm used to the isolation.

For all the random stuff I can do in the material world, my personal life is a total mystery to me these days. I was too burnt out on people entirely to leave my house almost all weekend. There's no good way of showing love that I can find any time for. I'm working too hard lately & I just keep feeling more & more alienated.


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20 Jan 2020, 8:55 pm

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You're still quite young!

Mind you, at your age you are in the position that I was. It was as if most of the young ladies wanted the tough guys or the experienced guys... But then when one gets in ones late 30's to 40's, those ladies have been there and down that and mde their mistakes, and want to settle down with a nice sensiblw man. Is like they have learnt the lessons from their youth and want to make ammends... And sensible guys then start to be in high demand as there are so few singlw ones available.
But the inbetween stage is the difficult stage. I was 35 before I had my first girlfriend. Prior to this I was usually told I was too nice or too sensible... Usual stuff. Young girls just wanted the tough guys with bad reputations. (Boy did many of them later wish they hadn't! Haha!).
What I will say is to keep your eyes open andnot give up hope, but don't worry too much if you don't find a girl. The older you are, the more of a good catch you will get to be, and the more you will be in demand!


I'm too weird to live & too rare to die as I was thinking previously. I don't exactly know my reputation but I try to show affection regardless of my social status so hopefully that's good for something.


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20 Jan 2020, 10:42 pm

Me: Yeah, it would be nice to go on dates and have physical contact with someone.
Also me: *gets overwhelmed and deletes everything without meeting a soul*

Oops.


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21 Jan 2020, 2:24 am

Admittedly I've gotten myself into too much trouble over mundane ASD kind of things to trust myself around people anymore.

I'm thinking this will all work itself out if I manage to survive all the nonsense in the meantime. Ugh


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21 Jan 2020, 3:22 am

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I'm spending way too much time alone in general.

Have you tried an in-person support group for autistic people?

I'm not sure if I ever called your attention to this before, but, in case I didn't, the Autism Society of Boulder County has a Support Group for Adults on the Spectrum in Lafayette, CO.

Perhaps not the best place to find a girlfriend, given the male-to-female ratio among autistic people, but perhaps a place to find more understanding friends generally.


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21 Jan 2020, 4:31 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
You're still quite young!

Mind you, at your age you are in the position that I was. It was as if most of the young ladies wanted the tough guys or the experienced guys... But then when one gets in ones late 30's to 40's, those ladies have been there and down that and mde their mistakes, and want to settle down with a nice sensiblw man. Is like they have learnt the lessons from their youth and want to make ammends... And sensible guys then start to be in high demand as there are so few singlw ones available.
But the inbetween stage is the difficult stage. I was 35 before I had my first girlfriend. Prior to this I was usually told I was too nice or too sensible... Usual stuff. Young girls just wanted the tough guys with bad reputations. (Boy did many of them later wish they hadn't! Haha!).
What I will say is to keep your eyes open andnot give up hope, but don't worry too much if you don't find a girl. The older you are, the more of a good catch you will get to be, and the more you will be in demand!

I can't speak for cberg, but (going with the concept you've laid out here) the idea of waiting until my mid 30s and beyond to meet someone who's just now that their biological clock is ticking decided to settle down (perhaps looking for a provider) and take things a little more seriously after spending their 20s having their casual, hedonistic fun with tough guys, experienced guys and bad boys while I as a consequence of this trend spent them lonely and in complete romantic isolation... Not good enough. I'm not the stable option to fall back on after they've had their fun with everyone else.



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21 Jan 2020, 9:26 am

I guess this explains why it feels so pointless. There's basically no more decisive way of being left behind, ignored, usurped etc.

It calls into question why I'm even alive in the first place.


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21 Jan 2020, 9:32 am

All I can think is that this is supposed to be giving people's lives purpose but I'm exempt.


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21 Jan 2020, 9:34 am

Take heart from those aspies who have succeeded. There are many here.


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21 Jan 2020, 9:42 am

As far as I can tell there's too much disastrous stuff in my past that I don't feel like explaining constantly.

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... Not good enough. I'm not the stable option to fall back on after they've had their fun with everyone else.


To be fair I can't imagine why I would even be considered an option by anyone. Everyone stereotyping me constantly makes for some very cold social interactions.


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21 Jan 2020, 9:45 am

You have a lot more going for you, CBerg....than I have going for me.

I'm not as smart as you---especially as far as computers are concerned.

I'm not as good-looking as you, and never have been.

I used to think I was really, really smart----until the truth came out---that I'm just average.



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21 Jan 2020, 9:49 am

I guess it's no longer surprising that I'm late to every party at least. I'm productive, sure, but at the cost of forgetting how to do anything else.


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21 Jan 2020, 10:10 am

What I used to do as a kid:

Just play the sport to win. Don't talk to anybody. (even though I sucked at sports LOL).

My solution these days:

Don't go to parties too often. I've never gotten why parties are so thrilling for people. If it's just because they're around other people, then that's not reason enough for me.

Do what you enjoy. Other people enjoy what you do. You can talk about what you and others have in common: off-roading, computers, or whatever else you all are interested in.

If you motivated because you're talking about what you're interested in, other people, including women, will be motivated to hang out with you.



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21 Jan 2020, 3:36 pm

Here I was always thinking about ASD hobbies & obsessions as inevitable deal breakers, as if I'm already married to all my work & completely unavailable. I can get why being upfront about passions could help but I thought people always conflated engineering & computers with coldness & me being aloof.

There is no way whatsoever that this societal prescription of a nonexistent social life is sustainable for me & I'm probably also cutting friends off from any & all good things I might do for them, all because we failed to understand each other. It's harder to even think straight without anyone in my life checking my process.


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