Would you date me if I were at my goal weight of 140?

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10 Nov 2021, 11:14 am

Whether a person "should" date or not is a personal choice, not a mandatory act -- there is no "should" involved.

If I did not feel like dating because I was ashamed of my looks, that was MY choice to make, and no one else's.

If I did not feel like dating because I was not attracted to someone else's looks, that was also MY choice to make.

Being shamed for not dating someone to whom I was not attracted never made that person more attractive to me.



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10 Nov 2021, 11:20 am

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essentially you're kind of stuck with your body shape. So it wouldn't be a very good use of ones time to focus on changing their body shape since that would be like holding yourself to an unrealistic standard.

Not true. Their skeletons are almost identical, real body shape defined by skeletal muscles is covered by body fat in both cases. Both can lose excess fat, improve tone of core muscles to achieve slimmer waist and build more muscles where they want more volume to achieve body shape very close to "unrealistic" hourglass standard.


Some expert says otherwise: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... -tips.html

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Essentially, the length of your collar bones versus the size of your pelvis, and the length of your body compared to the length of your legs are big factors in determining proportions and aesthetic beauty.

However, we can use exercise to enhance our body shape and appearance, as well as increase muscle and bone strength.

This expert says pretty much exactly what I've said.


I am not saying you cannot enhance your body shape, just saying you cannot actually change it...like you can't make your fat deposit in different spots than it does, widen length between shoulders and widen hips, at least not through feasible means like fitness and eating well.

Its a good thing to enhance ones body shape, but if you are trying to enhance the wrong shape that will probably just lead to disappointment.


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10 Nov 2021, 11:21 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
smartHulk wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
smartHulk wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
essentially you're kind of stuck with your body shape. So it wouldn't be a very good use of ones time to focus on changing their body shape since that would be like holding yourself to an unrealistic standard.

Not true. Their skeletons are almost identical, real body shape defined by skeletal muscles is covered by body fat in both cases. Both can lose excess fat, improve tone of core muscles to achieve slimmer waist and build more muscles where they want more volume to achieve body shape very close to "unrealistic" hourglass standard.


Some expert says otherwise: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... -tips.html

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Essentially, the length of your collar bones versus the size of your pelvis, and the length of your body compared to the length of your legs are big factors in determining proportions and aesthetic beauty.

However, we can use exercise to enhance our body shape and appearance, as well as increase muscle and bone strength.

This expert says pretty much exactly what I've said.


I am not saying you cannot enhance your body shape, just saying you cannot actually change it...like you can't make your fat deposit in different spots than it does, widen length between shoulders and widen hips, at least not through feasible means like fitness and eating well.

Its a good thing to enhance ones body shape, but if you are trying to enhance the wrong shape that will probably just lead to disappointment.


Exactly, one isn't going to grow longer collarbones or a differently shaped pelvis and ribcage even if they can impact the soft tissue on top of their skeleton.


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10 Nov 2021, 11:25 am

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Most of the people in this thread are missing the point! You are all quibbling about bone structure and body shape, but that's irrelevant here.

She shouldn't feel like she's any less of a person because of her body. And you shouldn't be discouraged from dating just because you feel like your body is imperfect. There are a lot of guys who would date her as she is right now.


You are correct about that part, and most people don't even have perfect bodies anyways.


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10 Nov 2021, 11:28 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Most of the people in this thread are missing the point! You are all quibbling about bone structure and body shape, but that's irrelevant here.

She shouldn't feel like she's any less of a person because of her body. And you shouldn't be discouraged from dating just because you feel like your body is imperfect. There are a lot of guys who would date her as she is right now.


You are correct about that part, and most people don't even have perfect bodies anyways.


I've got one hiding under layers of padding for safe keepings. 8)


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10 Nov 2021, 11:36 am

Reading the stuff in your post OP, I would def be interested in you if I were single. I can majorly relate to being cynical these days & I may be starting to go down the nihilistic route myself. I also find goths & EMOs very attractive but it's not really about their looks, looks don't really matter to me. I don't subscribe to any cultural group but I have some characteristics of both. My current girlfriend has major issues with depression & self-esteem & I MAJORLY love her. I've had major problems with depression in the past & that's one of the reasons I love her, she's much more relatable to me. Happy people tended to put me down & kept insisting that the reason I was single was because I was depressed & I just needed to snap myself out of my depression before I would ever be worthy of any romantic relationship :wall:


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10 Nov 2021, 12:01 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

I am not saying you cannot enhance your body shape, just saying you cannot actually change it...like you can't make your fat deposit in different spots than it does, widen length between shoulders and widen hips, at least not through feasible means like fitness and eating well.

Its a good thing to enhance ones body shape, but if you are trying to enhance the wrong shape that will probably just lead to disappointment.

But you can lose excess fat and pear/apple obesity patterns would not apply to you at all. You can widen your shoulders by increasing volume of your deltoid muscles. You can make your hips more pronounced by increasing volume of your glutes and fasciae latae muscles. You can slim down your waist by improving tone of your core muscle corset. This is very feasible with proper diet and couple 30 min workouts a week. Yes, you can't make your bones longer or shorter, but thinking of soft tissues, especially fat, as something you have no control over is just wrong.



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10 Nov 2021, 4:32 pm

Minervx_2 wrote:
Most of the people in this thread are missing the point! You are all quibbling about bone structure and body shape, but that's irrelevant here.

She shouldn't feel like she's any less of a person because of her body. And you shouldn't be discouraged from dating just because you feel like your body is imperfect. There are a lot of guys who would date her as she is right now.


Firstly, as I mentioned earlier, most relationships are superficial.
People *do* usually find partners in the physical "league".
It is self-evident.
Simply look at couples. 8)

Secondly, based on what the OP has said, she doesn't seem to have a problem finding a partner.
The problem she has is one of having to *pretend* to be something she is not. 8)



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10 Nov 2021, 4:37 pm

Fnord wrote:
Whether a person "should" date or not is a personal choice, not a mandatory act -- there is no "should" involved.

If I did not feel like dating because I was ashamed of my looks, that was MY choice to make, and no one else's.

If I did not feel like dating because I was not attracted to someone else's looks, that was also MY choice to make.

Being shamed for not dating someone to whom I was not attracted never made that person more attractive to me.


Agreed.
Self-evident. 8)



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10 Nov 2021, 4:44 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
I am not saying you cannot enhance your body shape, just saying you cannot actually change it...like you can't make your fat deposit in different spots than it does,


"Liposuction" can remove fat deposits.
This is common with celebrities. 8)

Sweetleaf wrote:
widen length between shoulders and widen hips, at least not through feasible means like fitness and eating well.


Shoulder width can be enhanced slightly with muscle development.
Not much a person can do about hip-width.
Perhaps a body transplant? :scratch: :mrgreen:

Sweetleaf wrote:
Its a good thing to enhance ones body shape, but if you are trying to enhance the wrong shape that will probably just lead to disappointment.


Agreed. 8)



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10 Nov 2021, 4:52 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
smartHulk wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
smartHulk wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
essentially you're kind of stuck with your body shape. So it wouldn't be a very good use of ones time to focus on changing their body shape since that would be like holding yourself to an unrealistic standard.

Not true. Their skeletons are almost identical, real body shape defined by skeletal muscles is covered by body fat in both cases. Both can lose excess fat, improve tone of core muscles to achieve slimmer waist and build more muscles where they want more volume to achieve body shape very close to "unrealistic" hourglass standard.


Some expert says otherwise: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... -tips.html

Quote:
Essentially, the length of your collar bones versus the size of your pelvis, and the length of your body compared to the length of your legs are big factors in determining proportions and aesthetic beauty.

However, we can use exercise to enhance our body shape and appearance, as well as increase muscle and bone strength.

This expert says pretty much exactly what I've said.


I am not saying you cannot enhance your body shape, just saying you cannot actually change it...like you can't make your fat deposit in different spots than it does, widen length between shoulders and widen hips, at least not through feasible means like fitness and eating well.

Its a good thing to enhance ones body shape, but if you are trying to enhance the wrong shape that will probably just lead to disappointment.


Exactly, one isn't going to grow longer collarbones or a differently shaped pelvis and ribcage even if they can impact the soft tissue on top of their skeleton.


It has been reported that Cher removed a pair of ribs to improve her waistline.
I don't know if this is BS.

Corsets can mould the shape of the ribcage in young people, to get a more hourglass figure.

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Can corsets change your rib shape?
“The pressure exerted by the waist trainer will cause bending of the ribs and also squeezing of the internal organs. These changes will occur after consistent use of a waist trainer over extended time. ... So, while a waist trainer can alter your shape, it's a dangerous practice with short-lasting results.

https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... he+ribcage

The Chinese used to bind the feet of female children to keep them "dainty".
I don't know if it still happens.

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Foot binding was the Chinese custom of breaking and tightly binding the feet of young girls in order to change their shape and size. Feet altered by foot binding were known as lotus feet, and the shoes made for these feet were known as lotus shoes.

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10 Nov 2021, 4:58 pm

Minervx_2 wrote:
Most of the people in this thread are missing the point! You are all quibbling about bone structure and body shape, but that's irrelevant here.

She shouldn't feel like she's any less of a person because of her body. And you shouldn't be discouraged from dating just because you feel like your body is imperfect. There are a lot of guys who would date her as she is right now.


Where the French toast do you find guys that are willing to date a woman that is overweight(in abundance)? I have seen overweight women in relationships but they usually didn't start out that way. We as men need to stop lying to women that being overweight is okay and they are just fine. We certainly don't give these sort of lies to men so why do we do it for women!?(I am sorry OP if you aren't overweight right now but last I checked you said you were please correct me if I'm wrong) Also if we can talk about men and their body structures like it's no big deal than why can't we do the same for women? It's harsh to hear but, I'm just saying it like it is.

Now to the OP question, I would date you if you were 140. How you described yourself doesn't sound too appealing but, I would give it a pass because I know that being on the spectrum it's hard to describe yourself(from my personal experience and others as well), I highly doubt you have no personality.


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10 Nov 2021, 4:59 pm

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Exactly, one isn't going to grow longer collarbones or a differently shaped pelvis and ribcage even if they can impact the soft tissue on top of their skeleton.


"Body Implants". 8)

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"Boob job". :mrgreen:

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10 Nov 2021, 5:02 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Minervx_2 wrote:
Most of the people in this thread are missing the point! You are all quibbling about bone structure and body shape, but that's irrelevant here.

She shouldn't feel like she's any less of a person because of her body. And you shouldn't be discouraged from dating just because you feel like your body is imperfect. There are a lot of guys who would date her as she is right now.


You are correct about that part, and most people don't even have perfect bodies anyways.


Speak for yourself. 8O

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10 Nov 2021, 5:13 pm

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Reading the stuff in your post OP, I would def be interested in you if I were single. I can majorly relate to being cynical these days & I may be starting to go down the nihilistic route myself. I also find goths & EMOs very attractive but it's not really about their looks, looks don't really matter to me. I don't subscribe to any cultural group but I have some characteristics of both. My current girlfriend has major issues with depression & self-esteem & I MAJORLY love her. I've had major problems with depression in the past & that's one of the reasons I love her, she's much more relatable to me. Happy people tended to put me down & kept insisting that the reason I was single was because I was depressed & I just needed to snap myself out of my depression before I would ever be worthy of any romantic relationship :wall:


Following your genetic coding is understandable, but there is life beyond relationships.

Also, consider that most relationships are superficial, and there is no guarantee of "Happily living ever after".
We are driven by our sexual drive to procreate, using an evolutionary context.
The feeling of luv and bonding is simply a chemical reaction created by organic drugs such as oxytocin.

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Why is oxytocin called the love drug?
Oxytocin is a hormone and a neurotransmitter that is involved in childbirth and breast-feeding. It is also associated with empathy, trust, sexual activity, and relationship-building. It is sometimes referred to as the “love hormone,” because levels of oxytocin increase during hugging and orgasm.


The whole process can be blissful, but there is a heavy compromise involving personal autonomy. 8O
Handle with care. 8)



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10 Nov 2021, 5:17 pm

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But you can lose excess fat and pear/apple obesity patterns would not apply to you at all. You can widen your shoulders by increasing volume of your deltoid muscles. You can make your hips more pronounced by increasing volume of your glutes and fasciae latae muscles. You can slim down your waist by improving tone of your core muscle corset. This is very feasible with proper diet and couple 30 min workouts a week. Yes, you can't make your bones longer or shorter, but thinking of soft tissues, especially fat, as something you have no control over is just wrong.


Agreed. 8)