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06 May 2009, 7:17 am

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I want nothing-unusual and andy-falls to have a relationship based on genuine, sincere nice guy values, to prove me wrong. Then they can come back and describe their courtship and debunk all I said. Good luck guys.


Sorry, who's doing what now? I must have fell asleep.

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OO, i wouldnt do that, my karma demands i help every male aspie.


If it involves turning them all into chauvinistic cavemen, I'll have to sabotage your masterplan. There are enough genuinely arrogant pigs in the world for the women who want them.


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06 May 2009, 8:02 am

Mechanima's jailbird sounds to me like he followed the video to the letter. Mutate's video was all about the balance between toughness and the tender/intelligent side. As he said, too much of one extreme or the other is not enough, a balance feels special. To combine the two "wow, he's tough and deep/sensitive too".

When she thought he was just a random tough guy, Mech was not interested, and if he was just a wimpy professor type who looked like a stereotypical literary person, talking about Uris would have been unremarkable. But he showed off his confidence/strength and his "deep" side, one after the other, just like mutate teaches in the video. Creating a powerful "cognitive dissonance".

I don't think women should try to give men advice about talking to women, I don't think men can advise women on how to talk to men either. I know it sounds logical to think "if you want to know how women think, ask a woman", but I don't think it works like that. I don't think men or women understand the technicalities of what the opposite sex does to tempt them, I don't think anyone can speak from full experience of what someone did to attract them and why it worked. I think the only real advice can be woman to woman, or man to man. A person who's done it themselves teaching others how to do it. I think there is so much double-talk, double meanings and things that are "hard to admit" that you're never going to get a straight answer from the opposite sex on what they like, cause they really don't knowe or can't explain it. All they can do is scold on what they would like to hear or want to believe.



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06 May 2009, 2:04 pm

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When she thought he was just a random tough guy, Mech was not interested, and if he was just a wimpy professor type who looked like a stereotypical literary person, talking about Uris would have been unremarkable. But he showed off his confidence/strength and his "deep" side, one after the other, just like mutate teaches in the video. Creating a powerful "cognitive dissonance".


OI!!

That is not even SLIGHTLY what the video was about...

Mind you, nothing to stop you thinking it out properly for a new version...

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06 May 2009, 4:13 pm

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Mechanima's jailbird sounds to me like he followed the video to the letter. Mutate's video was all about the balance between toughness and the tender/intelligent side. As he said, too much of one extreme or the other is not enough, a balance feels special. To combine the two "wow, he's tough and deep/sensitive too".

When she thought he was just a random tough guy, Mech was not interested, and if he was just a wimpy professor type who looked like a stereotypical literary person, talking about Uris would have been unremarkable. But he showed off his confidence/strength and his "deep" side, one after the other, just like mutate teaches in the video. Creating a powerful "cognitive dissonance".

I don't think women should try to give men advice about talking to women, I don't think men can advise women on how to talk to men either. I know it sounds logical to think "if you want to know how women think, ask a woman", but I don't think it works like that. I don't think men or women understand the technicalities of what the opposite sex does to tempt them, I don't think anyone can speak from full experience of what someone did to attract them and why it worked. I think the only real advice can be woman to woman, or man to man. A person who's done it themselves teaching others how to do it. I think there is so much double-talk, double meanings and things that are "hard to admit" that you're never going to get a straight answer from the opposite sex on what they like, cause they really don't knowe or can't explain it. All they can do is scold on what they would like to hear or want to believe.



I totally agree. But the persons initial reaction to you plays a HUGE role in the outcome of an attempt to pick up someone in a public place.....that is, its HIGHLY circumstantial.



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06 May 2009, 4:31 pm

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I personally don't have it in me to be the cocky jerk alpha male which might be my problem but I personally don't want the kind of women that would be attracted to that kind of guy anyway so it balances out I suppose.


Very well put, I couldn't agree more. I'm sure all women like a certain degree of confidence in a guy but then the same is true in reverse, and different women like different things in different guys, presenting a set way to deal with a group that includes over three billion different people is doomed to failure.

And one of the happiest couples I've ever known was that of a couple heavily into pretty heavy bdsm where the female was definitely the dominant, so saying that men can only find themselves in relationships by trying to be an alpha male is sheer idiocy.



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06 May 2009, 5:50 pm

video maker mutate34 is my idol,,,girls want him, so i want to be him.

here is how i look now, and below is how i will look after my make over. thats the pic i will show to the plastic surgeon.

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06 May 2009, 5:56 pm

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video maker mutate34 is my idol,,,girls want him, so i want to be him.

here is how i look now, and below is how i will look after my make over. thats the pic i will show to the plastic surgeon.


Book the makeover first thing in the morning so...



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06 May 2009, 7:58 pm

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I personally don't have it in me to be the cocky jerk alpha male which might be my problem but I personally don't want the kind of women that would be attracted to that kind of guy anyway so it balances out I suppose.


Very well put, I couldn't agree more. I'm sure all women like a certain degree of confidence in a guy but then the same is true in reverse, and different women like different things in different guys, presenting a set way to deal with a group that includes over three billion different people is doomed to failure.

And one of the happiest couples I've ever known was that of a couple heavily into pretty heavy bdsm where the female was definitely the dominant, so saying that men can only find themselves in relationships by trying to be an alpha male is sheer idiocy.


True, it doesnt necessarily have to be the man who is the alpha. However I dare say that romantic relationships are seldom egalitarian. So it would be helpful to pick up on whether the woman in question is assertive or passive which isnt always possible to do.



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07 May 2009, 1:39 am

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I just want to note something about the girls' reactions on this thread: The fact that Tom is handsome and cute had lessened the reactions of girls against him, if Tom was ugly and said those same stuff then he would be probably showered by tomatoes.

If the same speech was written here or if Tom was ugly and devious, I am quasi-sure that the reactions by girls here toward the OP would be much more aggressive , there were far less offensive threads here yet they received worse reactions by females.


To be fair, only Who_I_AM was the only girl who was really indifferent in that regard and was totally unaffected by Tom's charms.



That reminds me of a very interesting study I read once, when they compared between the reactions toward an unattractive girl throwing books on floor in different universities and the reactions toward an attractive girl throwing books in the same universities.
Stats showed that the attractive girls got much higher suggestions for help and especially by men.


Thanks tom, that thread makes us learn something ;) .... and it's not the vid.


Ok ....now the girls' tomatoes are probably aimed toward me, better to wear my armor.



Im afraid I have to agree. But keep in mind LPP that whilst women are VERY judgemental of men, they tend to judge less on pure physical appearance and more on behaviour. ?



Charms include looks , body language, behavior...etc

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I were to make a video of myself using the same words and demeanor as the OP I would come across as a chauvinistic jackass


lol



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07 May 2009, 7:01 am

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**LePetitPrince is trying to apply Tom's theory on one of the girls here**

**LPP adjusting his hair and boosting his chest**

**LePetitPrince is approaching MissC**

Hey babe, 8) interesting dress ....was it borrowed from some dead body? You remind me of the resident evil movie.

**MissC's cat is having goose bumps and hissing **

Hey what's wrong with your cat??! ! Nooo! Keep it away!! AAAAAAAAAaaaaah


*smack*

You're place is in the kitchen!

Now go make me a hummus wo-man. 8)


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07 May 2009, 8:07 am

i have a new video up in the haven.



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07 May 2009, 8:10 am

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I can't speak for other female (ever... usually), but go easy on the alpha male dominance thing or risk facing the fury of the assertive modern woman. Some of us also like the nice guys. :lol:

I could point out here that most guys don't particularly like the ultra-feminists. Also those who profess to like the nice guys buy act otherwise in the initial stage are in abundance. If you come up with a strategy for the one girl in the room who not only likes nice guys but follows that rule then by simple probability your chances of finding anyone at a party / event is very minimal for so many reasons. Though if someone were to want a book that works for those people, try the Leil Lowndes stuff. Just a warning that although it works as a strategy, it seems a rather unbelievably upper-middle class approach to take.

Tom's strategies are pretty much proven tbh (though I prefer the Ledochowski stuff myself - for one we can apply it to more social situations rather than dating and it works for both genders). Those detractors on here are just indulging in pathetic self-defeatism as well as trying to drag others down on here to justify their own insecurities.



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07 May 2009, 8:36 am

nothingunusual wrote:
Tom wrote:
I want nothing-unusual and andy-falls to have a relationship based on genuine, sincere nice guy values, to prove me wrong. Then they can come back and describe their courtship and debunk all I said. Good luck guys.


Sorry, who's doing what now? I must have fell asleep.

Don't be so deliberately disingenuous. Face it, Tom has kind of owned you here. How about admitting your approach, in this world, is completely unworkable. Especially so for guys.

On the other hand if you want to discretely stalk "nice guys", then you might have a chance. A male would never get away with it though.
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OO, i wouldnt do that, my karma demands i help every male aspie.


If it involves turning them all into chauvinistic cavemen, I'll have to sabotage your masterplan. There are enough genuinely arrogant pigs in the world for the women who want them.[/quote]
Nah, it involves destroying the whole game behind it. Assuming everyone copies this strategy, the inevitable result is that people will have to revert to good old fashioned honesty.



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07 May 2009, 9:39 am

^^^

Aren't you seeing things in complete black and white? Not every woman is going to like the same set of traits in a man. Different strokes for different folks and all that. What might work for one person, might repulse another. And in my opinion and experience most of the women I know would find this behavior nothing more than an insult. This reaction has nothing to do with being 'ultra-feminist' or anything else, it's just that most people like to be spoken to with respect and dignity. Do you honestly think that all the females who have claimed that Tom's approach is a complete turn-off are liars?

Nor did I claim that any large amount of women like 'nice guys'. Most women dislike passivity as much as they dislike aggression. You know that happy medium? I was only stating my preference.

No wonder AS men have a hard job with women if they can create skewed generalizations of them so easily.


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07 May 2009, 10:01 am

nothingunusual wrote:
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Aren't you seeing things in complete black and white?

I thought you were the one doing that. Tom has laid out an approach which can be applied and which works for a sole objective: get one self laid. Given that the vast majority of people on this site by their own admission have no chance at getting with anyone, why are you and others having such a go at him?
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Not every woman is going to like the same set of traits in a man. Different strokes for different folks and all that. Do you honestly think that all the females who have claimed that Tom's approach is a complete turn-off are liars?

In a club/ bar I know that this strategy (for someone who is not very good at it) is going to work in around 33% of cases and more importantly it is efficient. You would have to be very unlucky not to be going home with someone who is a half-decent person (on all levels). Now let us suppose that for arguments sake that there is a minority that do not follow this system and are looking for this "nice guy" concept. The only problem is that there is no defined approach nor anyway of identifying such people. Not to mention that there are many subgroups of this type. The probability of meeting someone even with such an approach is a lot smaller. Strategically your approach is very flawed for a guy to take. The whole system is a game, like it or not. Most of the stuff written in these books is written and structured around rather brutal and structured, as a strategic approach for getting laid / into a relationship, it has a very high success probability. In fact most of it is written and planned out by ex-mathematics students.

But anyway, suppose I fit your concept of "nice guy" (and please tell me what it is). How do I show you that? Genuine question, if you feel like answering it.



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07 May 2009, 10:10 am

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True, it doesnt necessarily have to be the man who is the alpha. However I dare say that romantic relationships are seldom egalitarian. So it would be helpful to pick up on whether the woman in question is assertive or passive which isnt always possible to do.


I think he's got it...BY GEORGE he's got it...

You need to LOOK at the target and do your best try to assess what she, as an individual, is looking for in a partner.

That's not so hard to do...all you need to do is watch her for a while...