21 Nov 2018, 5:19 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Aspie19828 wrote:
NTS do not have Autism and they do not understand. NTS are from a position of advantage in regards to social and emotional intelligence that are critical in regards to forming friendships and relationships. Autistics are shunned from society due to their lack of social and emotional intelligence. Female Autistics often can hide emotional and social skills and still form friendships and relationships with NTs. Autistc males do not have the ability to hide their lack of social and emotional intelligence, they are effectively shunned from society and treated as social pariahs.
If you hate your symptoms so badly, why don't you treat them?
*shrug* I'll never understand why people here complain, complain, complain that they can't stand abc and xyz symptom and how they affect their life, yet they're unwilling to consider treating them and seeing if they feel better.
To each their own, I suppose.
I made my choice over 5 years ago & have less than zero regrets about it. Life is night and day better in every way.
Autism is not treatable. All experts in neurology agree on this.
BS. I've been treating it for over 5 years & am Very high functioning to the point that only One person I've met in the last 5 years recognized me as autistic - and that's only because he has an autistic brother and my symptoms were acting up at the time.
Besides what I do to treat my symptoms (medicine, not talk therapy or learning to mimic someone's behaviours) that enables me to live a much fuller, more normal, life, there are other treatments for Autism that are much more common that have measurable proven results. ABA is probably the most common and well known.
Not everyone is as high functioning as you are. And many who are do not have access to proper medication because we are undiagnosed. Many do not have the fortune of living in an area with access to specialists qualified to diagnose adults, can afford the costs of visiting said specialists, or both.
So what?
I treat my symptoms via diet, supplements, probiotics, and intestinal cleanses. The gut dysbiosis part of ASD is entirely treatable. According to medical stats on chemical sensitivities of ASD people, this should apply to 70% of people on the spectrum. When I started doing this for myself I was living in my friend's construction site (sort of), trading what labour I could manage for a roof over my head and food to eat, & had an income of a whopping $150cdn/month.
Prior to figuring things out, my symptoms were unimaginably bad and completely life hindering. My doctor said there was nothing he could do because there are no drugs for this. But I Knew I wasn't always that bad and that if something could make it worse, something could make it better. I just had to figure out what it was and what to do. So, meeting the right people at the right time in my life and 10,000+ pages of reading later, I figured it out and have been treating my symptoms ever since.
And now there're ASD medical studies published since that point to Exactly what I said was true about ASD over 5 years ago when I shared here on WP how I'd been treating my symptoms with miraculous results. In time more people will accept all of this as medical fact and more will opt to treat their symptoms. In the meantime, the vast majority of forum members are just here to complain and vent vs. try to improve themselves and their lives.
You said you met the right people at the right time. That was completely depeandant on luck and is unlikely to replicate for most people.
I met an Herbalist who's father is a Naturopathic Doctor. I learned a few key things from them in conversation, and also learned to open my mind about medicine - about natural medicines, plants, healing foods etc. Combine all that with my own reading and determination and I figured things out and then did things for myself.
I also didn't keep it to myself. I posted everything I do to treat my symptoms here on WP for anyone to read, learn from, and try for themselves. They don't have to have a chance meeting of an Herbalist, and then his Naturopathic Doctor father. I already did that, learned things, applied them, realized the results for myself And shared exactly what I learned and did. No replication of meeting people required. All one would have to do to replicate my results is to try what I have done for myself and see if it works for them.
I'll take at that you if you tell me where to find it.
But I'm really quite used to getting an upset tummy at this point, so much so that I barely even notice it anymore. My problems stem the anxiety and social ineptness caused by my autism. That is what makes it difficult for me to find or maintain gainful employment, make friends and maintain a social life, or date. Tummy aches are never even on my radar as far as my real problems go, so I really don't see how focusing on treating them will do much to help.
And you cannot say that having little money isn't relevant, when you admit that you had food and shelter. I may make four or five times what you had; but you had complete freedom of whatever you wanted to do with you $150, while it takes up my entire $800 just secure a roof over my head for another 30 days.
DreamerDawn wrote:
3. Get enough sleep. Don't stay up watching things in bed.
For many of us, that is not an option. I know that no matter how hard I try to, I simply cannot get any sleep.
Also, does nobody understand what depression is?
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21 Nov 2018, 9:02 pm
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kraftiekortie wrote:
One has to believe that one's "involuntarily celibate" situation is not something which is necessarily permanent.
Forget all the figures. Forget all the 10,000s. Just pursue your interests. Having an interest in SOMETHING is 3/4's of the battle.
I was "involuntarily celibate" for long periods in my 20's. I always had a "faith" that this would change. I knew I had to not seem desperate to women. That's the most important thing: "not seeming desperate."
Forget all the figures. Forget all the 10,000s. Just pursue your interests. Having an interest in SOMETHING is 3/4's of the battle.
I was "involuntarily celibate" for long periods in my 20's. I always had a "faith" that this would change. I knew I had to not seem desperate to women. That's the most important thing: "not seeming desperate."
Not seeming desperate doesn't work if nobody finds you appealing to begin with. You think I run around IRL begging women to date me? No sir. Between my trust issues and anxiety, I'm bloody hard to get. Nobody has ever given me the tiniest bit of interest though. The reason I don't have faith in this changing isn't because I subscribe to redpill or incel ideologies, but rather because my personal experience is that no woman finds me attractive in any way.
I don't know why I'm so repulsive, because literally everything about me can be found in plenty of other socially successful men. I've seen desperate guys get and keep girlfriends, jobless guys, fat guys, short guys, sexist guys, wimps, etcetera.
There's just something off about me that I've never figured out, and I've long given up trying to figure out it. I'm not fat or super-skinny, I don't have any deformities, I'm not completely brain-dead, I like to think I'm not pure evil, I'm not a NEET. I just don't understand what about me is the issue.
Asperger’s Syndrome.
Reminds me of a time my Very Aspiest uncle told me a story about someone telling him to stop doing “those things.” “What things??” He asked. “You know, those things you do.” And he really didn’t know. And others may not even be able to put their finger on exactly what the thing or things are in order to tell you.
The thing you’re missing is a more fully functioning nervous system & brain. It’s been my experience that probiotics are biologically “what’s missing,” in us and that eating a medicinal diet to cleanse and heal the intestines and then supplementing probiotics all the time gets things firing much more “normally.”
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21 Nov 2018, 9:08 pm
magnetowasright wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Aspie19828 wrote:
NTS do not have Autism and they do not understand. NTS are from a position of advantage in regards to social and emotional intelligence that are critical in regards to forming friendships and relationships. Autistics are shunned from society due to their lack of social and emotional intelligence. Female Autistics often can hide emotional and social skills and still form friendships and relationships with NTs. Autistc males do not have the ability to hide their lack of social and emotional intelligence, they are effectively shunned from society and treated as social pariahs.
If you hate your symptoms so badly, why don't you treat them?
*shrug* I'll never understand why people here complain, complain, complain that they can't stand abc and xyz symptom and how they affect their life, yet they're unwilling to consider treating them and seeing if they feel better.
To each their own, I suppose.
I made my choice over 5 years ago & have less than zero regrets about it. Life is night and day better in every way.
Autism is not treatable. All experts in neurology agree on this.
BS. I've been treating it for over 5 years & am Very high functioning to the point that only One person I've met in the last 5 years recognized me as autistic - and that's only because he has an autistic brother and my symptoms were acting up at the time.
Besides what I do to treat my symptoms (medicine, not talk therapy or learning to mimic someone's behaviours) that enables me to live a much fuller, more normal, life, there are other treatments for Autism that are much more common that have measurable proven results. ABA is probably the most common and well known.
Not everyone is as high functioning as you are. And many who are do not have access to proper medication because we are undiagnosed. Many do not have the fortune of living in an area with access to specialists qualified to diagnose adults, can afford the costs of visiting said specialists, or both.
So what?
I treat my symptoms via diet, supplements, probiotics, and intestinal cleanses. The gut dysbiosis part of ASD is entirely treatable. According to medical stats on chemical sensitivities of ASD people, this should apply to 70% of people on the spectrum. When I started doing this for myself I was living in my friend's construction site (sort of), trading what labour I could manage for a roof over my head and food to eat, & had an income of a whopping $150cdn/month.
Prior to figuring things out, my symptoms were unimaginably bad and completely life hindering. My doctor said there was nothing he could do because there are no drugs for this. But I Knew I wasn't always that bad and that if something could make it worse, something could make it better. I just had to figure out what it was and what to do. So, meeting the right people at the right time in my life and 10,000+ pages of reading later, I figured it out and have been treating my symptoms ever since.
And now there're ASD medical studies published since that point to Exactly what I said was true about ASD over 5 years ago when I shared here on WP how I'd been treating my symptoms with miraculous results. In time more people will accept all of this as medical fact and more will opt to treat their symptoms. In the meantime, the vast majority of forum members are just here to complain and vent vs. try to improve themselves and their lives.
You said you met the right people at the right time. That was completely depeandant on luck and is unlikely to replicate for most people.
I met an Herbalist who's father is a Naturopathic Doctor. I learned a few key things from them in conversation, and also learned to open my mind about medicine - about natural medicines, plants, healing foods etc. Combine all that with my own reading and determination and I figured things out and then did things for myself.
I also didn't keep it to myself. I posted everything I do to treat my symptoms here on WP for anyone to read, learn from, and try for themselves. They don't have to have a chance meeting of an Herbalist, and then his Naturopathic Doctor father. I already did that, learned things, applied them, realized the results for myself And shared exactly what I learned and did. No replication of meeting people required. All one would have to do to replicate my results is to try what I have done for myself and see if it works for them.
I'll take at that you if you tell me where to find it.
But I'm really quite used to getting an upset tummy at this point, so much so that I barely even notice it anymore. My problems stem the anxiety and social ineptness caused by my autism. That is what makes it difficult for me to find or maintain gainful employment, make friends and maintain a social life, or date. Tummy aches are never even on my radar as far as my real problems go, so I really don't see how focusing on treating them will do much to help.
And you cannot say that having little money isn't relevant, when you admit that you had food and shelter. I may make four or five times what you had; but you had complete freedom of whatever you wanted to do with you $150, while it takes up my entire $800 just secure a roof over my head for another 30 days.
DreamerDawn wrote:
3. Get enough sleep. Don't stay up watching things in bed.
For many of us, that is not an option. I know that no matter how hard I try to, I simply cannot get any sleep.
Also, does nobody understand what depression is?
I will pm you. I went through everything you are. Everything. I get it.
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21 Nov 2018, 9:20 pm
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I’ve had lots of matches and most rejected me cause my job and income.
Half the Women here say women shouldn’t date loser men like me, so yes having high paid job would change a lot for most men like me.
If I was a doctor most those women would have dated me and odds are one would have been relationship.
Not getting any dates means no chance of relationship.
Half the Women here say women shouldn’t date loser men like me, so yes having high paid job would change a lot for most men like me.
If I was a doctor most those women would have dated me and odds are one would have been relationship.
Not getting any dates means no chance of relationship.
So if you keep getting feedback that your job and income are constraining you from getting dates or a relationship, then why don’t you work on improving your employment & financial situation?
If something constrains you from doing that, then work on improving that thing first until you’re able to shift gears to focusing on higher paid employment.
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I'm hoping to get into nursing school if I can manage to afford it. Is there a demand for nurses?
Sky high.
Same age + long term plans to work in the healthcare field = my brotha from anotha motha fo’ sho.
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Sabreclaw wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Sabreclaw wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Sabreclaw wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
You're shooting yourself in the foot looking at people this way, it's a big reason why incels are as unhappy and lonely as they are. They think about people all wrong and so their interactions with people go wrong and they fail to make any deep connections because they keep everyone at arms length with these ridiculous ideas about people's "market value" and sexist gender roles like men must always approach and chase women.
It's not that men must always initiate, it's that women seldom do, so if I want a relationship and no one initiates anything with me, my only option is to take the initiative. As for your contention with the concept of sexual market value, you're allowed to believe that, but the way I see it every relationship, friendship, and work relationship is transactional in nature. There's give and take, and if you have nothing to give you're going to be overlooked. If you disagree, explain the logic behind why.
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
But by all means, continue to ignore people who tell you this and keep beating your head against that brick wall and crying into the abyss about "Why doesn't it work? Why aren't women attracted to me?" Since that seems to be more satisfying to most incels than actually trying something that might work.
I already have a pretty good idea of why women aren't attracted to me, and I'm taking steps to rectify the things that hinder my chances with women, for instance my weight and physique are not only likely not attractive to most women, but I dont like them either, so I'm limiting my intake of junk food and trying to get more exercise into my life. But sure, I'm not trying something that might work.
It's good that you're trying to take better care of yourself and that will surely increase your chances, but you should be aware that keeping the mindset of all human interaction being transactional is going to be a problem for a lot of women and decreases your chances. Why not work on your perspective too, try to be less negative about humanity, if that can increase your chances as well?
I don't know how to explain to you why I believe that all human interaction is not transactional. I don't even know how to explain to you how my relationship with my pets isn't transactional. It's not about exhanging goods or information, it's about coexisting with them. Same to be said about friends and loved ones--yes we support each other and there is "give and take" in that, but it's not transactional in nature. It's about coexisting. There is something about the connection you make with someone when you are on the same wavelength that can't be explained in terms of transactions. It affirms your very existence in a way no transaction of goods or services can. When you share mental and emotional space with other people, it feeds your spirit in a way that is not a giving or a taking but rather a lifting up. I don't know how else to word it to explain my "logic", because it's esoteric and I don't know how logic in general can be applied to human interaction.
I really struggle to understand this transactional mindset, so it's hard for me to explain what it's like not to feel that way about relationships.
If relationships aren't transactional, then how come "what do you have to offer" and "you need to improve yourself so you have something to offer" are such common phrases in these kinds of discussions? Kind of implying a transaction there. Those are the first things I ever see when a guy complains about being lonely. The idea of simply "connecting" with somebody is rarely brought up.
Starbuck never commented on this. Perhaps that means she found nothing therein to object to.
I guess posts that can't be twisted into personal attacks or sexism must be rather boring to some people.
Or maybe I'm trying to stay out of the conversation since I got nothing but hostility for my comments?
"Some people"--that's cute, are you trying to be subtle to avoid breaking the rules by making a direct personal attack by talking about me obliquely like this?
Incels push women away with hostility and rage and sexism and then have the gall and lack of self-awareness to complain that women won't talk to them or date them. I'm not going to continue a conversation here if you guys can't even be civil.
With all due respect, I'm not trying to date you, so I'm not fussed if I turn you away. Also, you just proved my point exactly. You somehow twisted that comment into "hostility and rage and sexism", which is all you seem interested in. I've never called myself an incel or followed their ideology, Retrogamer couldn't be called an incel by anybody, neither of us were being uncivil, and yet now you've decided it's a personal attack, when all we did was question your intentions on this thread. Only then do you seem interested in having a "conversation", of course still ignoring my original post. So yeah, congrats on proving all you want to do is paint men as villains while ignoring any attempt at having an actual conversation. Great job.
The hostility I was talking about was mostly from the person who made this thread who I had to leave the conversation from. The only thing I directed at you personally was a response to your snarky comment about me. If you're not an incel then what I said about incels doesn't apply to you, it applies to other hostile incels in the thread that made me feel like I was better off leaving the thread. The conversation you were commenting on that I "ran away from" wasn't even with you, so I don't know why you are making this about you and taking it personally when I'm explicitly talking about incels and stated that several times and as you say you're not one so it doesn't apply to you. As to this "painting all men as villains" silliness, once again my comments in this thread have all been about incels, not all men. You're just straw-manning me now and putting words in my mouth and ascribing motives to my comments that just aren't there, like the OP did. THIS IS WHY I TRIED TO LEAVE THE CONVERSATION.
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I'm hoping to get into nursing school if I can manage to afford it. Is there a demand for nurses?
Nursing school? That's brilliant! You'll be surrounded by young women!
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