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15 Sep 2010, 9:17 pm

To the OP: You asked how you could get a bf.


You did pm me. I'm sorry, but if you are unattractive...you arent going to get a decent looking guy


Guys rarley date women less attractive than them. It's viewed as failing at life in some way...sorry



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15 Sep 2010, 11:01 pm

Chronos wrote:
I feel like I'm talking to NT's.

How many of you have actually met a woman with AS?


I met a few women with as when I went to the as support group in my area and their dressing was one of the main issues I saw as a problem if they were looking for a partner thats why I mentioned it.


As a user mentioned before the best bfs are guys that usually go unnoticed, this may apply to women also. I think that wearing clothes you feel comfortable with is great, however if this clothes arent appealing to the opposite sex you are going to be even less noticed.



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15 Sep 2010, 11:31 pm

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Yes please. :-) I've had people here on WP say don't go looking for it if you are that's not right it'll happen etc. but it saddens me seeing hearing of my friend with her boyfriend and I feel bad why is it so DAMN easy for them! :-( Sure I'm smart and can do well in college but that satisfies me just a little. I want someone to sure this with intellectually someone as interested in school work as I am (you don't have to be in school for a high profession but I can say Hey I learned X and feel good about telling you etc. Someone just as obsessed with schooling as me. I will not mind if you just HAVE to get that paper/project done. I don't care it's not due for over a month! You feel you have to do it NOW! So IMO do it now I don't mind. :-) Sadly I question if I'll ever find a guy like that. :-(


Guys are beyond visual. Break the ice as much as you can by making yourself as physically attractive as possible. Also go for guys within your age range or
Older.

If you want a younger guy, try the slightly
Awkward ones. The IT department at work is a good place to look.

As long as you are not a land whale or mitigate that as much as possible, you can find a bf.



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15 Sep 2010, 11:57 pm

ApsieGuy wrote:
To the OP: You asked how you could get a bf.


You did pm me. I'm sorry, but if you are unattractive...you arent going to get a decent looking guy


Guys rarley date women less attractive than them. It's viewed as failing at life in some way...sorry


I'm average. Some people think I'm above average. Some people think I'm just average. I think my issue is more one of non-verbal social skills and mannerisms and everything else AS.



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15 Sep 2010, 11:59 pm

RICKY5 wrote:
zeldapsychology wrote:
Yes please. :-) I've had people here on WP say don't go looking for it if you are that's not right it'll happen etc. but it saddens me seeing hearing of my friend with her boyfriend and I feel bad why is it so DAMN easy for them! :-( Sure I'm smart and can do well in college but that satisfies me just a little. I want someone to sure this with intellectually someone as interested in school work as I am (you don't have to be in school for a high profession but I can say Hey I learned X and feel good about telling you etc. Someone just as obsessed with schooling as me. I will not mind if you just HAVE to get that paper/project done. I don't care it's not due for over a month! You feel you have to do it NOW! So IMO do it now I don't mind. :-) Sadly I question if I'll ever find a guy like that. :-(


Guys are beyond visual. Break the ice as much as you can by making yourself as physically attractive as possible. Also go for guys within your age range or
Older.

If you want a younger guy, try the slightly
Awkward ones. The IT department at work is a good place to look.

As long as you are not a land whale or mitigate that as much as possible, you can find a bf.


I'm the guy in the IT department.



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16 Sep 2010, 12:17 am

Chronos wrote:
RICKY5 wrote:
zeldapsychology wrote:
Yes please. :-) I've had people here on WP say don't go looking for it if you are that's not right it'll happen etc. but it saddens me seeing hearing of my friend with her boyfriend and I feel bad why is it so DAMN easy for them! :-( Sure I'm smart and can do well in college but that satisfies me just a little. I want someone to sure this with intellectually someone as interested in school work as I am (you don't have to be in school for a high profession but I can say Hey I learned X and feel good about telling you etc. Someone just as obsessed with schooling as me. I will not mind if you just HAVE to get that paper/project done. I don't care it's not due for over a month! You feel you have to do it NOW! So IMO do it now I don't mind. :-) Sadly I question if I'll ever find a guy like that. :-(


Guys are beyond visual. Break the ice as much as you can by making yourself as physically attractive as possible. Also go for guys within your age range or
Older.

If you want a younger guy, try the slightly
Awkward ones. The IT department at work is a good place to look.

As long as you are not a land whale or mitigate that as much as possible, you can find a bf.


I'm the guy in the IT department.
your answer pwned.


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16 Sep 2010, 12:27 am

i was talking to my daughter about dating tonight. she is 16, NT, social butterfly, had boyfriends, etc.

she thinks that making male friends if the way to go, because there is always the potential for something more to develop. with ALL of her friends, this is the way it happens. they don't just meet someone and start off on a relationship - the relationships build as a logical progression once they get to know each other.

it's true that her friends are in a young age group (16 to 20), but that is the ebb and flow of how their relationships happen.

but then, of course, the problem becomes how to meet new people to be friends with. and i have no answers for that. i make my friends at work, mostly, but i don't know how other people do it.


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28 Sep 2010, 5:49 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Bethie wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Bethie wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
You didn't post your age /eduction and your looks. An unattractive person should not use the same approach of an attractive person.


What are you referring to, Boo? I'm genuinely interested in how the "approach" should differ. Also interested in what you mean by looking "decent", as you said in your first post.


A non-attractive person should make a double effort in order to impress someone else. A short man for instance can't approach a tall girl in the same way a taller man would approach her, a heavy weighted girl can't approach that handsome guy the same way a model would approach him.


This is basically a restatement of the post I inquired about.

How would the "approach" differ?


*sigh*

I like your attitude btw, you're trying to say that "All people are of the same league" , and "all people should use the same approach".

and I like your "I Know everything, I am experience, your opinions are all bullshits"

But those attitudes are illogical.

The world of an attractive person is not the same of the world of the unattractive person.


Uh....I didn't imply any of those things...did I?
All I was "trying to say" was that I wanted clarification on one of YOUR statements.
Thanks.


The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's take two extreme cases : a gorgeous man and a terrible ugly man.

People judge the ugly people more harshly and are far more tolerant toward the handsome people. There are plenty of studies that prove that fact.

A gorgeous man might open the door for a ladies , and he would be thanked and even flirted by them.

Just replace the gorgeous man with the very ugly man (same clothes, perfume , hygiene...) and many ladies won't even thank him, what' s worse that some of them might even give him the stare of death (Ew , what a creep).

A gorgeous man for example might just need acceptable social skills ,it would be enough for him to flirt around in a bar and he would get the full attention of at least one woman.

The ugly man (with same wealth/education) can't use this same approach , he must be more socially skilled and canny in order to attract some woman. First of all, he must re-consider his target , it would be harder for the ugly man to beat the handsome men who are roaming over the most gorgeous model in the bar , so he might have to aim at a different target and he should approach her more slowly in a way to reveal his good personality little by little till he compensates what he lacks in looks.

Of course ,here we are talking about two men with the same level of social skills , education, same self-esteem....

But in real life , the ugly man would more likely have faced a harsher childhood , would have been more bullied , more mocked , more rejected by girls ....... all those will negatively affect his social skills and self-esteem and hence his ability to attract the opposite sex. So things are usually even worse for the ugly man.

For example ,some researches showed that taller man are more likely to earn than shorter men:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... aims..html

Why is that? it's because of the self-esteem which was shaped during childhood , self-esteem is largely affected by how your peers treat you. A tall man is less bullied , less rejected , less mocked , less picked on (if ever!) and more likely to be better in sports , and hence better self-esteem as adult.



I recall another study about women , and how beauty greatly affects their chances in mating.
They made two groups : the first a group is a bunch of gorgeous girls with model-like physical traits and the second group is a bunch of average too below average-looking girls (overweighted, bad teeth , no-proportional body ...etc ).

Each girl has to purposely throws books at the floor (acting if it happened accidentally) in a crowded college's hall and some spy researcher would count the number of men and women who approached to help her. Each girl did that a specific number of times.

The average different between the 2 groups was huge , it was about x10 times more. (some women were always approached by 1 to 2 men, while other women were always approached by 8 to 12 men at a time).

What does that mean? That means that a beautiful girl would drag the attention of a lot of men when she's in distress (her books are on the floor, the poor girl!) while the poor less beautiful girl would be more like ...invisible.


Another study I recall well used the same books technique , but this time with just one girl. The first phase was to do this x of times while she is presented in a sexy way ( sexy dress, make-up , haircut ....etc) and the other phase while she's presented in a non sexy way (glasses, geeky hair , reserved dress....etc). The difference in average was also huge.


So, in relation to us ugly women, what should we do? Other than throwing books on the floor?


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28 Sep 2010, 5:55 pm

Chronos wrote:
Bethie wrote:
Chronos wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:

That said, I'm clueless in the NT world, so you'll need advice from someone else on that matter. I would think that approaching the generally shy population could still make use of what i said, but then again it's hard to tell...


Women with AS and shy people don't go well together because shy people are indirect typically expect others to read their mind. And if an NT can't do that, how do you ever expect someone with AS to be able to do that? The shy person also usually bottles up all of their feelings and has a lot of compressed anger so they either explode on people or act passive aggressive.

Thus, woman with AS + shy guy = very volatile situation with a bad ending.



What a load of horses**t. :roll:


How is that?


Because I've yet to see a study of shy people whereby they expect telepathy?
Or one that suggests those who are introverted are prone to periodic angry outbursts? 8O


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28 Sep 2010, 7:01 pm

Chronos wrote:
I figure since all us women have spent so much time trying to give you men tips on getting a girlfriend, perhaps you men can reciprocate and tell us women how to get a boyfriend?


touche.

well. lesse. If I wash a girl, I would give said prospective men some hints. but before i dive into that....

a lot of my lady friends think they are bad looking, but when in reality, they really arent. So your looks never really matter. [The only exception being overwieght/obese]. to be honest most people where i am are slightly overwieght. I think i am just about 5 pounds.

Keep healthy. brush your teeth, keep clean, ect ect....that should be a general rule for both men and women.

To get a girl to spike my romantic interest, they first need to be intresting in general. I.E: i think gamer girls in general tend to be way more easy going and somewhat more attractive than non-gamer girls. Or have a passion for something I love. [in which case is art]

ive heard people say "you will find love when you start doing what you love." and that is about as true as it can get. similar thinking people meet in places where they share intrests.

in my case, I go to an art school. Most of the people here that i meet, are artists. From time to time a woman may get closer to me because we connect so well.


SO, that all being said lets go back to my first statement, and describe some epic turn offs.

Your physical being plays as much role as your personality does. if either one is far too off, you will have a harder time seeking people. [beautiful people can be as*holes, and not so originally attractive ladies turn out to be some of the best relationships i had].
Some men like myself have just as many standards as women have, looks, personality, preferance in race and activities. which isnt bad at all.

Im friends with a girl, who is an awesome gamer girl, but her expectations of men are pretty high. She honestly thinks she will just stumble on a ripped tall handsome man, who is a major gamer and watches anime, but at the same time can do everything amazing.

sorry ladies, but that wont happen. Be realistic. that is the same as me saying I want a beatiful skinny asain woman who just loves everything i do, plays games, and can magically understand me.

truth is. and this is to both genders; you have to get to know people. closer. the more you do, the more people you will begin to like more than originally said. even if they arent the most handsome thing ever, the person themselves can be.

any questions?
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28 Sep 2010, 7:03 pm

Chronos wrote:
ApsieGuy wrote:
To the OP: You asked how you could get a bf.


You did pm me. I'm sorry, but if you are unattractive...you arent going to get a decent looking guy


Guys rarley date women less attractive than them. It's viewed as failing at life in some way...sorry


I'm average. Some people think I'm above average. Some people think I'm just average. I think my issue is more one of non-verbal social skills and mannerisms and everything else AS.


i dont know about that aspie guy, a lot of people thought my ex was unattractive, but man, i was all over her! :3



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28 Sep 2010, 8:46 pm

I just love how so many of the posts in this thread have alluded to the fact that if you're fat and/or ugly, you may as well give up because no one wants you. Sadly, it's held true for me so far. :cry:



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28 Sep 2010, 8:54 pm

Erisad wrote:
I just love how so many of the posts in this thread have alluded to the fact that if you're fat and/or ugly, you may as well give up because no one wants you. Sadly, it's held true for me so far. :cry:

Erisad, that's just picky aspie men and some judgemental NTs, not the majority... if men really cared that much i should be lonely right now and i'm not. i'm married, and never mind the outside opportunities that may have presented themselves! :oops:

plus your guy friends IRL are maybe too young to appreciate big handfuls of REAL WOMAN. wait till you get older and build some more confidence... there are plenty of guys who will OMNOMNOM... (if the girls never manage to convert you to the other side. it's a noble cause).


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28 Sep 2010, 8:55 pm

Erisad wrote:
I just love how so many of the posts in this thread have alluded to the fact that if you're fat and/or ugly, you may as well give up because no one wants you. Sadly, it's held true for me so far. :cry:


I'd go for a fat and/or ugly woman if she would go for me... sadly, nobody, fat, thin, pretty, ugly, nice, mean, blonde, or brunette, want to go for me...



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28 Sep 2010, 8:56 pm

Erisad wrote:
I just love how so many of the posts in this thread have alluded to the fact that if you're fat and/or ugly, you may as well give up because no one wants you. Sadly, it's held true for me so far. :cry:


There's some guys on here like ToadOfSteal who would be interested in you but you are not interested in em. I think it's hypocritical to complain about others standards when you aren't willing to lower your own. That's the problem with the dating world


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28 Sep 2010, 9:05 pm

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Erisad wrote:
I just love how so many of the posts in this thread have alluded to the fact that if you're fat and/or ugly, you may as well give up because no one wants you. Sadly, it's held true for me so far. :cry:

Erisad, that's just picky aspie men and some judgemental NTs, not the majority... if men really cared that much i should be lonely right now and i'm not. i'm married, and never mind the outside opportunities that may have presented themselves! :oops:

plus your guy friends IRL are maybe too young to appreciate big handfuls of REAL WOMAN. wait till you get older and build some more confidence... there are plenty of guys who will OMNOMNOM... (if the girls never manage to convert you to the other side. it's a noble cause).


Um...I can't wait too long, I do want to have kids someday. Knowing my luck, the biological clock will run out as soon as I'd meet someone willing. Adoption is too expensive, so I probably won't be able to afford it. I've never found women attractive. Not to mention, I'd never be able to afford one. I'm a writer. Writers = poor. If I'm lonely for too much longer, I don't see any confidence building. :(

ToadOfSteel - :(

nick007 - I kind of can't pursue an online relationship. Long distance relationships are impossible to handle. That's what lead to my most recent ex to cheat on me. Besides, if both parties are emotionally unstable it won't lead anywhere but a murder and suicide. It's happened a million times. There needs to be one stable person in the relationship to keep the unstable one in check. :/